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Axeman 06-23-2007 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 12647016)

NOTE: When people say that healthcare is free in Canada, it is not the proper term. It should be said that it is "UNIVERSAL" , meaning that without regards to your wealth, you have access to medical care .... but we do pay for it in our taxes.

That is exactly correct. We certainly do pay for it in our taxes and medical services plans for extended care etc.


From the World Health Organization data:

"Health care is one of the most expensive items of both nations? budgets. The U.S. government spends more per capita on health care than the government does in Canada. In 2004, the government of Canada spent $2,120 (in US dollars) per person on health care, while the United States government spent $2,724.[16]

However, U.S. government spending covers less than half of all health care costs. Private spending for health care is also far greater in the U.S. than in Canada. In Canada, an average of $917 was spent annually by individuals or private insurance companies for health care, including dental, eye care, and drugs. In the U.S., this number is $3,372.[16] In 2004, health care consumed 15.4% of U.S. annual GDP. In Canada, only 9.8% of GDP was spent on health care.[16]"

Says a lot.

Porn Farmer 06-23-2007 06:42 PM

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Regulators may close troubled inner city hospital
POSTED: 7:30 p.m. EDT, June 23, 2007

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- When Edith Isabel Rodriguez showed up in the emergency room of an inner-city hospital last month complaining of severe stomach pain, the staff was already familiar with her.

It was at least her third visit to Los Angeles County's public Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital in as many days. "You have already been seen, and there is nothing we can do," a nurse told her.

Minutes later, the 43-year-old mother of three collapsed on the floor screaming in pain and began vomiting blood. Employees ignored her, and she was soon dead.

.......

After Rodriguez's death, federal reports showed those efforts were failing and patients were in "immediate jeopardy." Of the 60 cases reviewed between February and June, more than a quarter received substandard care, according to the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

In February, a brain tumor patient languished in the emergency room for four days before his family drove him to another hospital for emergency surgery. A pregnant woman who complained of bleeding was given a pregnancy test and left, only to return three days later and have a miscarriage after waiting more than four hours to see a doctor.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/23/tro....ap/index.html

Makes Loryns post seem like even more of a joke.

ZoneMaster 06-23-2007 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com (Post 12645310)
Funny how everyone says America is the richest country, but in the same breath says how we need to change everything. LOL

US is the richest country??? Mmm.. never knew that. It sure is the leading country which is deep in debt - if that makes it "rich" so be it.

Can't see any relationship between being allegedly rich and "how we need to change everything". Doubt everyone is suggesting you change anything - just keep everything as it is if it gives more satisfaction :thumbsup

pocketkangaroo 06-23-2007 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ZoneMaster (Post 12648721)
US is the richest country??? Mmm.. never knew that. It sure is the leading country which is deep in debt - if that makes it "rich" so be it.

Can't see any relationship between being allegedly rich and "how we need to change everything". Doubt everyone is suggesting you change anything - just keep everything as it is if it gives more satisfaction :thumbsup

It is the richest country in the world. Look at GDP and other major statistics. Most countries have high debt (including everyone of the countries Moore touts in his movie). Just ask yourself where most of your porn sales come from. 99% of the people here will say the US.

Porn Farmer 06-23-2007 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12648767)
It is the richest country in the world. Look at GDP and other major statistics.

In GDP per capita you run fourth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...PP)_per_capita

It is only the richest in the sense that you are the most populous first world nation.

ZoneMaster 06-23-2007 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12648767)
It is the richest country in the world. Look at GDP and other major statistics. Most countries have high debt (including everyone of the countries Moore touts in his movie). Just ask yourself where most of your porn sales come from. 99% of the people here will say the US.

Try looking at the one country at the top of the debt league and one which has to keep borrowing (at least currently and over the last few years) at a scale exceeding that of it's debt history over three of four decades.

What actually exists where that country has the option of paying that debt? Very little. Manufactuing ability is pityful and little chance of exporting to show a trading surplus - there has not in fact, ever been a profitable trading balance for at least two decades.

In addition, there is internal indebtedness at a level no other country has ever experience (pro rata). Overall - the whole country and it's citizens are heavily in debt.

Figures can be generated to show whatever (and they sure have been "generated"), - if the US was a business, the best option would be to shut up shop today.

Being "rich" when looking at the overall situation is certainly relative.


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