liar liar

pants on fire

nose as long as

a telephone wire

Dumping the usual attempted crass GFY insults...

The truth is the State of Israel has been occupying "their land" for over 30 years, blocking access for shipment of even basic necessities (medical etc) and avoiding the creation of any industry or infrastructure. The result is the largest refugee camps in the world and the highest numbers of registered refugees with the UN. The easily labeled "terrorists" you mentioned never existed prior to that time - it's a reap the seeds that you sow time.

It says much about the human species when, after a group of people have went thru the era of the Third Reich, that their government then treat others the same way - namely only five degrees better than the Third Reich. Obviously history is not an easy lesson to learn...

But thats the point, they had to walk on eggshells. Deaths of their own soldiers were bad for publicity in Israel, and deaths of Lebanese civilians were bad for publicity internationally. The politicians had their military limit both, thus making Israels invasion of Lebanon in 2006 ineffective.

There's no doubt Israel could wreck some shit in a conventional war, but conventional wars are only fought between civilized countries and for the most part we've been too civilized to fight each other since WW2.

So, with the "could've" and "should'ves" a lot of shit can happen. Like if McArthur could've invaded China in the 40's and 50's like the US govt shouldve let him there might not be a north and south korea today, just a korea.

If the US military couldve had a few hundred thousand more troops at the right time in Vietnam and couldve entered bordering countries unhindered they couldve over run the north. (I dont know about holding it though.)

If the international community only couldve listened to Ho Chi Minhs pleas for help in removing the French from the only major colony they were allowed to retain following their massive defeat in ww2 there probably would not have been a war against communism in Vietnam in the first place, as there shouldve not been.

If the US govt sent more troops to Afganstan instead of crying for Nato to help out more only so they could send their own troops to Iraq, we couldve been a lot further along there.

Lots of couldves and shouldves but reality is how it is, and was.

Wow, you are one sad, sick human being. Lose an argument so you turn to calling someone a terrorist. Pathetic. This is what you guys call conversation? Grow up buddy, seriously. Take a breath and use your brain instead of your instinct to attack anyone saying something you don't like.

Our country is in a sad state of affairs these days. It seems as if a lot of young people are learning how to talk to each other from the foaming at the mouth sociopaths on Fox "News" and the like. It's scary to think that people who grew up taking Bill O'Reilly seriously are going to be able to vote.

No denial here. Yes, the IDF did hold inquiries into the way the war was fought and it was flawed, but please save the defeated by Hezbollah bullshit. The UN itself stated that Hezbollah was positioning itself by UN Observer posts and in civilian areas to prevent Israel from bombing there and if Israel allowed itself to fight a war in it's truest sense they would've easily wiped Hezbollah out of Lebanon.

for real, it's nice that you signup and joined us, now please go see to changing the oil on the cars waiting for you at work.

this is grown up time mmmmkay

Uh, read his posts to me previously where he asks me about tasting Jewish ass and other Anti-Semitic rhetoric before I resorted to that. Don't fucking act like you know me for a second, either. When you first made a post I responded to you in a very civilized manner and didn't call you any names, and would've gladly had an adult conversation with you about the subject. Please read the entire thread before making assumptions...

How can hezbollah position itself in civillian areas? Hezbollah's fighters IS MADE UP OF THE CIVILIIANS...man are you thick?

Who exactly are the "sociopaths" on FoxNews?

And what's wrong with Bill O'Reilly? If it wasn't for him people who sexually assault kids under 12 would still have a chance of not even going to jail.

Whats wrong with bill o reilly? He's a fucking nutcase.

let my penis play quarterback
and you can be receiver

yes its true

I want to throw a touchdown inside you

No... I never said suicide bombings are propaganda. Why do you even suggest that?

Suicide bombers act to have maximum effect. They are no different to others who lay mines, booby-traps, spray chemicals in areas, lay IED's at roadsides or bomb areas with napalm. There is no more or less morality in any of that - they all kill.

You are correct - rarely is there any nation who is spotless on human rights (tho a rare few are). It is not about "how spotless" my human rights record is - "mine" is spotless - but history leaves much to be desired. And yes, I have felt the heat from a "terrorist" bomb.

The issue is more about now and current day and understanding the underlying core issue, and, possibly if that is understood - action can be taken to minimize the damage on both sides. Until this is done - there is nothing constructive that will happen to resolve conflict. To continue accepting propaganda and not addressing the core problem is pointless.

Southern Lebanon is Hezbollah controlled, but the civilians are not Hezbollah. Why do you think the actual Lebanese Army never stepped foot in that region for 30 plus years until recently? Why do you think the civilians of that area blamed Hezbollah for the destruction, and why do you think Iran funneled so much money into that afterwards to turn the public opinion back to their side? They wouldn't need to do that if the civilians were Hezbollah.

the people of lebanon love hezbollah, everyone in the middle east loves hezbollah apart from israel.

and to be honest, iran should send more money hezbollah's way, the quicker israel dissapears, the better, not just for lebanon but for world peace

I agree with you there, and I believe Israel has wanted since day 1 to have peace in that region. They want to have peace with the Palestinians, and the Palestinians want peace with them. If not for the corrupt politicians on the Palestinian side I believe it would've already happened. Israel was ready to give the Palestinians everything they wanted during the Oslo Accords, but Arafat knew that peace would render him irrelevant so he rejected them. A lot of what goes on in that region can be attributed to the corrupt leadership that doesn't listen to the people or act in their benefit.

I made the suicide bombing comment because you stated the human shield argument was propaganda, when in fact the UN itself condemned Hezbollah for doing it, and the UN is hardly an Israeli apologist...

the UN is hardly an israeli apologist?

lol, i think your wrong there.

funny haha

Mohamed loves you Buzzy... Everyone else thinks you're an asshole....

stickyfingerz i havent been here long and i already know everyone hates you so just stfu.

What people don't realize is you can't accurately base an army's strength if including technology as a factor. Countries with smaller budgets will focus their spending on research and development, and not just for missiles, but more recent technology include energy weapons; the USA is well-behind in this area, Russia is the most advanced, Canada is fairly high up there as well.

The thing people don't realize either is Satellites can be used as energy weapons; they don't need missiles on them to be weapons or dangerous.

Most conflict is caused by governments making decisions to take action which they have not had the foresight to clean up. Governments excel at incompetence - always have.

From their actions others can be left with grievances which, over time, fester into seeping wounds and blood starts dripping. The grievances are often not within governments, but within people and on a personal basis. People are no different the world over - all they want is peace and to live their lives without interference. When this is not possible - enter "revolt" and elements of hate (particularly where there is oppression), and, in turn, there emerges groups of people who want to take action for a remedy. Call them "terrorists", "freedom fighters" or whatever.

The Oslo Accords were fine on the surface, but the detail leaves a long way to go. I don't want to get into the daily happenings in the region - that's like playing ping pong when you could blame Arafat for the failure of Oslo and Israel for bombing the man. If anything, there was a failure and/or unwillingness to have agreement between leaders and also probably a gross lack or communication. Whatever "anti" there was between Arafat and the Israeli govt is irrelevant - both needed to work very hard at a resolution which satisfies both the population of Israel and that of Palestine. That never happened.

It is probably not helpful for other nations not directly involved in the core issue to be aiding one side or the other - tho there are nations not in that region and not dumping arms on either side who may be able to act as mediators. But... that takes a full commitment to sit at a conference table and not leave until a resolution is found. That resolution will never be found on GFY :)

No matter what side you are on or what propoganda you believe or who you think is the bad guy, the basic fact remains the same. People are corruptable and choose paths for their countries that reflect that. This goes back to the beginning of time. Empires wanted to expand and that meant taking over who is already there and imposing their will upon them. From now until the end of time, this will continue. You can argue about how the US is trying to take over everything, but it's the same as everyone else. We're just in that spotlight right now.

who cares anyway...

Not really brother bilo, the usa has invaded 73 countries and bombed 23 in the past 50 years

where Iran has only bombed 1 in the past 250 years

but that was a good post from you for once :)

Well.. there is that fact of life :)

The US scenario in the Middle East is... too messy and complex. It is filled with agreements/deals addressing a wide range of issues. There may have been some good intentions in the middle of that, but also plenty broken deals/back stabbing etc which have bounced back in faces. Unless there is an honest deal - without ulterior motives, it's going to be seen for what it is. Trying to play hardball 24/7 is not necessarily going to achieve much.

Can't say for sure yet - but :2 cents: worth is that the US may be the largest loser at many levels from Middle East conflicts. The anti in that region is generally of the US governments own making and the price for that is currently at a stupid level - but doubt in economic terms, it's more than a deposit with plenty more cost to be paid. Strongly suspect that in the end, the nations within the Middle East region will be managing their own affairs - but not till much more blood has been shed.

Meanwhile, tho not exactly funny - has the US managed to secure safety on the airport road to Baghdad yet? Boring and painful shit!!!

Sean Hannity
Bill O'Reilly
John Gibson
Michelle Malkin

All clearly pathological. Do you really take these nuts seriously? Out of curiosity, how old are you? If you don't feel like posting personal info like age that's cool, I'm just wondering.


P.S. Bill O'Reilly has only made child molesters his cause of the day to deflect attention away from the fact that he is a sexual predator who has horribly abused women who could be his daughter. The only real reason he likes that Jessica's law is because it sets a precedent, it makes it a crime to not be an informant if you have information about a criminal. That's the part he likes about it. Another step towards making us a fascist totalitarian state. It has nothing to do with protecting children. Sociopaths do not care if other people live or die horrible deaths.

He is not a good human being. He is a sick maniac who will say anything, no matter how outrageously false, to advance his warped ideology. John Gibson is possibly even worse. I have to fight not to vomit when I see that creepy Dracula looking bastard talk.

you are so full of shit I can smell you from here

you name 73 countries we invaded with dates right here!

come on...73 invasions, lets see them

I'd agree if you consider the fact everyone in the country has to serve 'x' amont of years in the military, so they could essentially "call up" their entire population (except for the diapers... kids and old fucks) at any given time.

:2 cents:

IRAN
1953
Command operation
CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.

VIETNAM
1954
Nuclear threat
Bombs offered to French to use against
siege.

GUATEMALA
1954
Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat CIA directs exile invasion after new gov't nationalizes U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.

EGYPT
1956
Nuclear threat, troops
Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; MArines evacuate foreigners

LEBANON
1958
Troops, naval
Marine occupation against rebels.

IRAQ
1958
Nuclear threat
Iraq warned against invading Kuwait.

CHINA
1958
Nuclear threat
China told not to move on Taiwan isles.

PANAMA
1958
Troops
Flag protests erupt into confrontation.

VIETNAM
1960-75
Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; 1-2 million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in 1968 and 1969.

CUBA
1961
Command operation CIA-directed exile invasion fails.

GERMANY
1961
Nuclear threat Alert during Berlin Wall crisis.

CUBA
1962
Nuclear threat
Naval
Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with USSR.

LAOS
1962
Command operation
Military buildup during guerrilla war.

PANAMA
1964
Troops
Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.

INDONESIA
1965
Command operation Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
1965-66
Troops, bombing Marines land during election campaign.

GUATEMALA
1966-67
Command operation Green Berets intervene against rebels.

DETROIT
1967
Troops
Army battles Blacks, 43 killed.

CAMBODIA
1969-75
Bombing, troops, naval Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.

OMAN
1970
Command operation U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.

LAOS
1971-73
Command operation, bombing U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.

SOUTH DAKOTA
1973
Command operation Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.

MIDEAST
1973
Nuclear threat World-wide alert during Mideast War.

CHILE
1973
Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.

CAMBODIA
1975
Troops, bombing Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.

ANGOLA
1976-92
Command operation CIA assists South African-backed rebels.

IRAN
1980
Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets warned not to get involved in revolution.

LIBYA
1981
Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers.

EL SALVADOR
1981-92
Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.

NICARAGUA
1981-90
Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.

LEBANON
1982-84
Naval, bombing, troops Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim and Syrian positions.

HONDURAS
1983-89
Troops
Maneuvers help build bases near borders.

GRENADA
1983-84
Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution.

IRAN
1984
Jets
Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.

LIBYA
1986
Bombing, naval Air strikes to topple nationalist gov't.

BOLIVIA
1986
Troops Army assists raids on cocaine region.

IRAN
1987-88
Naval, bombing US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.

LIBYA
1989
Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down.

VIRGIN ISLANDS
1989
Troops
St. Croix Black unrest after storm.

PHILIPPINES
1989
Jets
Air cover provided for government against coup.

PANAMA
1989-90
Troops, bombing
Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed.

LIBERIA
1990
Troops
Foreigners evacuated during civil war.

SAUDI ARABIA
1990-91
Troops, jets Iraq countered after invading Kuwait; 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.

IRAQ
1990-?
Bombing, troops, naval Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; no-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south, large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.

KUWAIT
1991
Naval, bombing, troops Kuwait royal family returned to throne.

LOS ANGELES
1992
Troops
Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising.

SOMALIA
1992-94
Troops, naval, bombing U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.

YUGOSLAVIA
1992-94
Naval
Nato blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.

BOSNIA
1993-95
Jets, bombing No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs.

HAITI
1994-96
Troops, naval
Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.

CROATIA
1995
Bombing
Krajina Serb airfields attacked before Croatian offensive.

ZAIRE (CONGO)
1996-97
Troops
Marines at Rwandan Hutu refuge camps, in area where Congo revolution begins.

LIBERIA
1997
Troops
Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.

ALBANIA
1997
Troops
Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.

SUDAN
1998
Missiles
Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.

AFGHANISTAN
1998
Missiles
Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.

IRAQ
1998-?
Bombing, Missiles
Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.

YUGOSLAVIA
1999-?
Bombing, Missiles
Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo.

YEMEN
2000
Naval
Suicide bomb attack on USS Cole.

MACEDONIA
2001
Troops
NATO troops shift and partially disarm Albanian rebels.

AFGHANISTAN
2001
Massive U.S. mobilization to attack Taliban, Bin Laden. War could expand to Iraq, Sudan, and beyond.

IRAQ
2003-2006


And list of countries bombed since WW2 -

China 1945-1946, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Granada1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999. Moreover, the USA assisted in over 20 different coups in the various parts of the world and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassination of heads of states.


Yeah. Fuck you.

http://adbusters.org/media/flash/hop...ory/flash.html


163 military interventions by the USA since 1801.

Some people just have no concept of reality. I guess that's what happens when all the public schools and TV stations do is attempt to misinform and make us into good little soldiers.

you stupid fucking cunt, I knew you would copy and paste off that website.

NOW GO BACK and show where we INVADED a country

Overflights, fighter squabbles and threats DO NOT count

Now try again you loser...invasions this time

and godamn I cant believe I wasted my 5000th post on such a piece of shit

come on, show me 73 INVASIONS

Nice link db

There you go SHOK, 163 - im sure you can find 73 that wernt just overflys :winkwink:

now go back to your hole you fat fucking waste of sperm

please die of ass cancer, but first show me true invasions that number 73

oh yeah you cant

please die

btw, do you know what invasion means?

I cant because we HAVE NOT invaded 73 countries

but godamn I wish we did so we might have accidentally killed a relative of yours

Infringment by Intrusion = Invasion

So the military plane thing counts aswell


so you have 163 there, twice as much.

yes, troops on the ground and overtaking a country


whats it mean to you...typing on the internet?

wrong again loser

sucks to be a dumbass like you

sucks to be fat like you