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yys 07-21-2007 12:14 PM
Talk about a lawyers wet dream

Dirty F 07-21-2007 12:17 PM
Anybody want to take bets on how much longer retard needs to take his head out of his ass and realize he made a big fucking mistake?

About everyone on this board figured it out by post 30 or so. Mark needs a little longer it seems :1orglaugh

commonsense 07-21-2007 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 12794475)
Im sensing nothing will happen. Mark wont be banned while about 95% of the other people on this board would be banned after page 2 if they didnt take their words back. Also all the bro's will continue to say what a top notch person Mark is with a stand up company.
This thread back fired big time on GTS. If no new revelations are going to be brought forward...

http://www.mobilityfreedom.org/images/sweepunderrug.gif

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 12794463)
If someone threatened my CCBill merchant account I would be PISSED.... way more than you are now. Especially if you didn't do anything wrong. Did CCBill contact you on any of this or was it a hollow threat?


That log was nuts.
CCbill didn't contacted me. Instead I have contacted some guys that I know at CCbill explaining them ALL that is going on.
I am sure they will read this thread and maybe even post in it soon just to confirm about the sales maybe!

Ron2k1 07-21-2007 12:19 PM
If I had some TGP represented at GTS after all this crap i would take it out.

That icq log is the most dirty thing I have ever read here on GFY, you don't want to be represented by idiots like them do you?

Dirty F 07-21-2007 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 12794484)
This thread back fired big time on GTS. If no new revelations are going to be brought forward...

http://www.mobilityfreedom.org/images/sweepunderrug.gif
Notice how few people tell them they fucked up though?

Imaging me doing this or you? This thread would be hitting page 10 now with people telling me to fuck off.

But as its Mark only a handfull of people arent afraid to say something. The rest is too afraid to be excluded from the broclub.

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmc_producer (Post 12794485)
CCbill didn't contacted me. Instead I have contacted some guys that I know at CCbill explaining them ALL that is going on.
I am sure they will read this thread and maybe even post in it soon just to confirm about the sales maybe!
I'm pretty sure it's their responsibility to prove your guilt, not your responsibility to prove your innocents.

At least, that's how it works in US courts of law. :2 cents:

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-21-2007 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 12794469)
I'm sensing this thread will be locked shortly.
I hope not. This OnlyTeens guy seems like he has done what he can to help and he just seemed to get steam rolled.

I myself am rather surprised at them ICQ discussions.
Goes to show that hardly anyone in this biz has an ounce of intelligence or patience, nor conscience these days. The proper thing to do would have been get with the credit company, get with CCBILL and law enforcement.

What happened here is an old school scam, I figure that most traffic brokers know this gig by now and what to do.

They just want money.
It's like a bad movie.

Dirty F 07-21-2007 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12794491)
I'm pretty sure it's their responsibility to prove your guilt, not your responsibility to prove your innocents.

At least, that's how it works in US courts of law. :2 cents:
Yeah i cant believe you are still being nice and working along tmc_producer.

By now the only response GTS would get from me was from my laywer.

Its also the only responsive they deserve imo.

commonsense 07-21-2007 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 12794490)
Notice how few people tell them they fucked up though?

Imaging me doing this or you? This thread would be hitting page 10 now with people telling me to fuck off.

But as its Mark only a handfull of people arent afraid to say something. The rest is too afraid to be excluded from the broclub.

Sad to say that even as shitty as their attitude is, what bothers me more is the poor productivity of the traffic. That 10 sales a day for 16k (their quote) is upsetting.

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 12794500)
Yeah i cant believe you are still being nice and working along tmc_producer.

By now the only response GTS would get from me was from my laywer.

Its also the only responsive they deserve imo.
it's my way to be... I don't like to be rude. And please don't call me tmc_producer but Steve (my biz name :) )
Is there any way to change my the name that is shown there?

WiredGuy 07-21-2007 12:28 PM
After doing a bit of research on this, I get the impression the link on the gallery was in fact switched. if you take a look at this alexa cached version, you'll see:

Actual URL: http://onlyteenfiles.com/tf/abril/01
Cached URL: http://64.213.200.107/cgi-bin/docach...S3NDa xNDIHAA

If you look at the links to the sponsors from these two links, you'll see the second link goes to: http://www.topadult10.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=Teens

The actual page (now) goes to: http://www.teenstarsmagazine.com/proc/?

My guess is that this content was probably ripped from TeenStarsMagazine and was being linked to the PPC search engine. Whoever ripped the site used the stolen CC, made his quick cash with the PPC search engine and when it became apparent the CC was stolen he switched it out to the actual paysite he ripped it from. This is likely why the affiliate program owner had no spike in traffic or sales, the traffic in reality went to the PPC search engine.

I think you should be contacting whoever owns topadult10.com and pass on that affiliate ID and trace who owns that account, that's likely the culprit. It seems that TeenStarsMagazine isn't actually the one who did this.

Hope this helps...
WG

Ron2k1 07-21-2007 12:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12794407)

Assuming those are real logs, which I have no reason to believe they are not:

Does Sarah think she's in teh fucking mafia or what?

Talk about unprofessional.

Who the fuck would want to do business with THAT?!?!

Lawds Mercy!
I think the maffia could learn something from this, icq is a very safe tool to threaten someone.

:2 cents:

datatank 07-21-2007 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794511)
After doing a bit of research on this, I get the impression the link on the gallery was in fact switched. if you take a look at this alexa cached version, you'll see:

Actual URL: http://onlyteenfiles.com/tf/abril/01
Cached URL: http://64.213.200.107/cgi-bin/docach...S3NDa xNDIHAA

If you look at the links to the sponsors from these two links, you'll see the second link goes to: http://www.topadult10.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=Teens

The actual page (now) goes to: http://www.teenstarsmagazine.com/proc/?




My guess is that this content was probably ripped from TeenStarsMagazine and was being linked to the PPC search engine. Whoever ripped the site used the stolen CC, made his quick cash with the PPC search engine and when it became apparent the CC was stolen he switched it out to the actual paysite he ripped it from. This is likely why the affiliate program owner had no spike in traffic or sales, the traffic in reality went to the PPC search engine.

I think you should be contacting whoever owns topadult10.com and pass on that affiliate ID and trace who owns that account, that's likely the culprit. It seems that TeenStarsMagazine isn't actually the one who did this.

Hope this helps...
WG
You nailed it. I can see who to contact with 2 clicks.

Martin3 07-21-2007 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794511)
After doing a bit of research on this, I get the impression the link on the gallery was in fact switched. if you take a look at this alexa cached version, you'll see:

Actual URL: http://onlyteenfiles.com/tf/abril/01
Cached URL: http://64.213.200.107/cgi-bin/docach...S3NDa xNDIHAA

If you look at the links to the sponsors from these two links, you'll see the second link goes to: http://www.topadult10.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=Teens

The actual page (now) goes to: http://www.teenstarsmagazine.com/proc/?

My guess is that this content was probably ripped from TeenStarsMagazine and was being linked to the PPC search engine. Whoever ripped the site used the stolen CC, made his quick cash with the PPC search engine and when it became apparent the CC was stolen he switched it out to the actual paysite he ripped it from. This is likely why the affiliate program owner had no spike in traffic or sales, the traffic in reality went to the PPC search engine.

I think you should be contacting whoever owns topadult10.com and pass on that affiliate ID and trace who owns that account, that's likely the culprit. It seems that TeenStarsMagazine isn't actually the one who did this.

Hope this helps...
WG
Careful, intelligence and logic are grounds for getting your Bro card yanked. :2 cents:

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794511)
After doing a bit of research on this, I get the impression the link on the gallery was in fact switched. if you take a look at this alexa cached version, you'll see:

Actual URL: http://onlyteenfiles.com/tf/abril/01
Cached URL: http://64.213.200.107/cgi-bin/docach...S3NDa xNDIHAA

If you look at the links to the sponsors from these two links, you'll see the second link goes to: http://www.topadult10.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=Teens

The actual page (now) goes to: http://www.teenstarsmagazine.com/proc/?

My guess is that this content was probably ripped from TeenStarsMagazine and was being linked to the PPC search engine. Whoever ripped the site used the stolen CC, made his quick cash with the PPC search engine and when it became apparent the CC was stolen he switched it out to the actual paysite he ripped it from. This is likely why the affiliate program owner had no spike in traffic or sales, the traffic in reality went to the PPC search engine.

I think you should be contacting whoever owns topadult10.com and pass on that affiliate ID and trace who owns that account, that's likely the culprit. It seems that TeenStarsMagazine isn't actually the one who did this.

Hope this helps...
WG
Imagine that.........

TheDoc 07-21-2007 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794511)
It seems that TeenStarsMagazine isn't actually the one who did this.
Such a pimp.. and damn nice of ya to take time to do hunt that down, I just took the time to post my Disgust across the Internet.

WiredGuy 07-21-2007 12:35 PM
You'll also notice if you go to the root page of the server (http://www.onlyteenfiles.com/), the same affiliate code is being used:

http://www.lookuplive.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=porno

Seems this guy is ripping sites off and linking his traffic to pay per click search engines. Trace that affiliate ID (71655) to the ppc vendor and I'll bet you'll have the thief.

WG

candyflip 07-21-2007 12:35 PM
Mark really has turn into a huge douche since 2007 rolled in. The way he treated Nysus back in the day really was some foreshadowing of things to come.

[illnet]-Jamie 07-21-2007 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794511)
After doing a bit of research on this, I get the impression the link on the gallery was in fact switched. if you take a look at this alexa cached version, you'll see:

Actual URL: http://onlyteenfiles.com/tf/abril/01
Cached URL: http://64.213.200.107/cgi-bin/docach...S3NDa xNDIHAA

If you look at the links to the sponsors from these two links, you'll see the second link goes to: http://www.topadult10.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=Teens

The actual page (now) goes to: http://www.teenstarsmagazine.com/proc/?

My guess is that this content was probably ripped from TeenStarsMagazine and was being linked to the PPC search engine. Whoever ripped the site used the stolen CC, made his quick cash with the PPC search engine and when it became apparent the CC was stolen he switched it out to the actual paysite he ripped it from. This is likely why the affiliate program owner had no spike in traffic or sales, the traffic in reality went to the PPC search engine.

I think you should be contacting whoever owns topadult10.com and pass on that affiliate ID and trace who owns that account, that's likely the culprit. It seems that TeenStarsMagazine isn't actually the one who did this.

Hope this helps...
WG
You are the man !

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmc_producer (Post 12794510)
it's my way to be... I don't like to be rude.

You're probably going to be getting a pretty lame and half assed apology pretty soon. You might even get messaged on ICQ by someone telling you that you are a BRO now.

I'd hire an attorney if I were you. :2 cents:

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-21-2007 12:37 PM
For the future DrinkingHard you can put a system in place that prevents this sort of thing happening. Its a relatively easy thing to do rather than relie on other sites that look at cached history such as the one WG pointed out.

Your system should keep a log of not only the url to send to but the last time the target page was updated along with a page capture of the updated pages of your clients. You can ping for an update by the hour, by the minute or by the day however you like.

I am really surprised you did not have that in place, if you had this would have had never happened and someone would be in jail for credit card fraud already.

rowan 07-21-2007 12:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794511)
My guess is that this content was probably ripped from TeenStarsMagazine and was being linked to the PPC search engine. Whoever ripped the site used the stolen CC, made his quick cash with the PPC search engine and when it became apparent the CC was stolen he switched it out to the actual paysite he ripped it from. This is likely why the affiliate program owner had no spike in traffic or sales, the traffic in reality went to the PPC search engine.
When I click through to topadult10.com I see a header with bare boobs and a single result:

Forum for Aussie Parents
Great advice and tips on parenting Pregnancy, toddlers, schooling.
Kidspot.com.au

What the... this is an ADULT SEARCH ENGINE right? :helpme

With results like this the scammer may have not been making as much as we thought. :winkwink:

Pornopat 07-21-2007 12:41 PM
:pimp
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794511)
After doing a bit of research on this, I get the impression the link on the gallery was in fact switched. if you take a look at this alexa cached version, you'll see:

Actual URL: http://onlyteenfiles.com/tf/abril/01
Cached URL: http://64.213.200.107/cgi-bin/docach...S3NDa xNDIHAA

If you look at the links to the sponsors from these two links, you'll see the second link goes to: http://www.topadult10.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=Teens

The actual page (now) goes to: http://www.teenstarsmagazine.com/proc/?

My guess is that this content was probably ripped from TeenStarsMagazine and was being linked to the PPC search engine. Whoever ripped the site used the stolen CC, made his quick cash with the PPC search engine and when it became apparent the CC was stolen he switched it out to the actual paysite he ripped it from. This is likely why the affiliate program owner had no spike in traffic or sales, the traffic in reality went to the PPC search engine.

I think you should be contacting whoever owns topadult10.com and pass on that affiliate ID and trace who owns that account, that's likely the culprit. It seems that TeenStarsMagazine isn't actually the one who did this.

Hope this helps...
WG
You are so much better playing Inspector Clouseau as me. I checked google caches which probably update faster then Alexa caches. I did see the suspicious link on the index but did not come to the right conclusion.

You are teh pimp! :pimp

teomaxxx 07-21-2007 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794511)
If you look at the links to the sponsors from these two links, you'll see the second link goes to: http://www.topadult10.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=Teens
these guys are probably same one as these ones:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=752756
I used to get sometimes to topadult10.com from google blackhat results

they are simply everywhere, seo, tgps, emails, bbs, now even cheating paid traffic sources.
As biskoppen wrote somewhere else, they are biggest affiliaters in adult for sure and none care....

Screaming 07-21-2007 12:43 PM
fun thread

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 12:43 PM
Here's a post DrinkingHardest made on another forum. He flat out calls them criminals then asks for their program to be shutdown.

Disgusting. If the BROs had been left to their own devices, this poor guy woulda been fucked hardcore in the ass without lube. And as a gay homosexual that can speak from personal experience, let me tell ya, that hurts!

Quote:
We Just Got Fucked For $16,000 By Teen Mega Cash

They bought ads from us using a stolen credit card under the name of "Mark Hartley' and sent in a signed authorization form and a front and back of the credit card. Here is an example of a gallery that was sent in for a paid top spot. BTW they are a ccbill program...

Any help getting to these guys and shutting them down would be appreciated!
I just don't think you can simply "apologize" for a post like this.

candyflip 07-21-2007 12:44 PM
"Sarah - GTS ‎(1.35):
fine we will just ruin your reputation and ban your program from all of our traffic sources"

:1orglaugh What a cunt. Only reputation being ruined is yours.

Doesn't this open them up even more to a lawsuit?

WiredGuy 07-21-2007 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 12794535)
For the future DrinkingHard you can put a system in place that prevents this sort of thing happening. Its a relatively easy thing to do rather than relie on other sites that look at cached history such as the one WG pointed out.
I actually got lucky, it wasn't in the Google cache, Archive.org, or Altavista. If Alexa didn't cache it, I wouldn't have found it. The webmaster who did this was hoping he'd do his scam as fast as possible and no sites would have stored it in their cache so fast.

Its definitely worth implementing a snapshop system on galleries to make sure anyone who does link switching doesn't try this again. The webmaster who did this seems to have tried the old bait and switch and at the expense of it, put a new webmaster program at risk.
WG

Dirty F 07-21-2007 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794511)
After doing a bit of research on this, I get the impression the link on the gallery was in fact switched. if you take a look at this alexa cached version, you'll see:

Actual URL: http://onlyteenfiles.com/tf/abril/01
Cached URL: http://64.213.200.107/cgi-bin/docach...S3NDa xNDIHAA

If you look at the links to the sponsors from these two links, you'll see the second link goes to: http://www.topadult10.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=Teens

The actual page (now) goes to: http://www.teenstarsmagazine.com/proc/?

My guess is that this content was probably ripped from TeenStarsMagazine and was being linked to the PPC search engine. Whoever ripped the site used the stolen CC, made his quick cash with the PPC search engine and when it became apparent the CC was stolen he switched it out to the actual paysite he ripped it from. This is likely why the affiliate program owner had no spike in traffic or sales, the traffic in reality went to the PPC search engine.

I think you should be contacting whoever owns topadult10.com and pass on that affiliate ID and trace who owns that account, that's likely the culprit. It seems that TeenStarsMagazine isn't actually the one who did this.

Hope this helps...
WG
Be carefull making posts pointing out that Mark is wrong. He doesnt like it.

TzarJorge 07-21-2007 12:45 PM
i wonder how long will they take to apology and AT VERY LEAST send some traffic to compensate TMC_PRODUCER for all this bullshit.

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 12:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12794534)

You're probably going to be getting a pretty lame and half assed apology pretty soon. You might even get messaged on ICQ by someone telling you that you are a BRO now.

I'd hire an attorney if I were you. :2 cents:

I bet 25usd that no one will contact me on ICQ to apologize or something.
I will wait monday to hear what my attorney thinks is better to do.

Kram 07-21-2007 12:47 PM
I would sue the fuck out of GTS ...

rowan 07-21-2007 12:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TzarJorge (Post 12794561)
i wonder how long will they take to apology and AT VERY LEAST send some traffic to compensate TMC_PRODUCER for all this bullshit.
I'm already going blue in the face...

Ron2k1 07-21-2007 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TzarJorge (Post 12794561)
i wonder how long will they take to apology and AT VERY LEAST send some traffic to compensate TMC_PRODUCER for all this bullshit.
That's the worst part of this whole story not even one fucking apolgize from GTS at all

WiredGuy 07-21-2007 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 12794560)
Be carefull making posts pointing out that Mark is wrong. He doesnt like it.
Its not really Mark's fault, the webmaster switched the codes. When he looked at it, he followed the link to see who was benefitting from the traffic just like everone else did. The webmaster who did the link switching tried diverting attention to the TeenMagazine site and he probably would have gotten away with it if Alexa didn't cache the site.
WG

commonsense 07-21-2007 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmc_producer (Post 12794567)
I bet 25usd that no one will contact me on ICQ to apologize or something.
I will wait monday to hear what my attorney thinks is better to do.

I'll take that bet. :thumbsup

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12794554)
Here's a post DrinkingHardest made on another forum. He flat out calls them criminals then asks for their program to be shutdown.

Disgusting. If the BROs had been left to their own devices, this poor guy woulda been fucked hardcore in the ass without lube. And as a gay homosexual that can speak from personal experience, let me tell ya, that hurts!



I just don't think you can simply "apologize" for a post like this.

Marc I would LOVE you to post on the other board explaining what is happening FOR REAL, admitting that you were wrong about us and maybe deleting that thread or something like that.
IT's not nice to open a thread where you state that we stole you 16kusd while it's CLEARLY NOT TRUE.
That would be VERY nice from you. THANKS

candyflip 07-21-2007 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmc_producer (Post 12794594)
Marc I would LOVE you to post on the other board explaining what is happening FOR REAL, admitting that you were wrong about us and maybe deleting that thread or something like that. That would be VERY nice from you. THANKS
This will never happen. I'd like to be proven wrong on this one, but WON'T EVER HAPPEN.

Dirty F 07-21-2007 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794588)
Its not really Mark's fault, the webmaster switched the codes. When he looked at it, he followed the link to see who was benefitting from the traffic just like everone else did. The webmaster who did the link switching tried diverting attention to the TeenMagazine site and he probably would have gotten away with it if Alexa didn't cache the site.
WG
Sorry but how Mark reacted was so fucking wrong in more than 1 way. Even me with my online temper wouldnt have done it like that.


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