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Dirty Dane 07-21-2007 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 12794815)
i dont think so , i think it was a perfectly normal assumption for the average webmaster to think tsm had something to do with it

he def went about it way too quick but his assumption was based on the FACTS he had at the time , FACT was the traffic was going there so he assumed they bought it..

now we know a bit more of the story the facts have changed so it was premature to suspect a no ref code link meant the program was at fault.

once again the moral of the story is do as much fact checking as you can before you fly off the handle.

Yes, this is supposed to be a police matter, before throwing accusations. Why should a bigger program risk their biz and jailtime because of some few stolen k's?
This hole thing sounds like the scammer is redirecting traffic elsewhere. Or its a conspiracy..

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 12794755)
Where you around for the GTS drama with MachineGunKelly and StuartD?

Lots of interesting GTS revelations and similar attitude in that Mark meltdown.

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/728826-found-twinkinghardest-guess-ex-employee.html


Wow I missed that. Things definitely started turning south on page 5 or so.

Dramas repeats itself huh?

CDSmith 07-21-2007 02:09 PM

I mistakenly assumed when DH posted this thread that he had all the proof and this was a slam-dunk affair.

That'll teach me to take anyone on their word.


DH, what's the deal? Do you have the wherewithal to hit these threads again and admit to whatever misfires you made and show you have the professional ability to retract and smooth things over?

Or are you and Mike Hawk in fact barebacking each other on a jet ski right now? :D


Come on LAUGH, that was funny

candyflip 07-21-2007 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12794862)
I mistakenly assumed when DH posted this thread that he had all the proof and this was a slam-dunk affair.

That'll teach me to take anyone on their word.


DH, what's the deal? Do you have the wherewithal to hit these threads again and admit to whatever misfires you made and show you have the professional ability to retract and smooth things over?

Or are you and Mike Hawk in fact barebacking each other on a jet ski right now? :D


Come on LAUGH, that was funny

I saw you post this on the other board directly after he posted a thread laughing at the whole situation. Typical of that skidmark.

candyflip 07-21-2007 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12794861)

Wow I missed that. Things definitely started turning south on page 5 or so.

Dramas repeats itself huh?

My Mom has a brother in law she's not all that fond of. She says that "He's a legend in his own mind". Someone else here falls into that same category.

"We will ruin your reputation in this industry" :1orglaugh

wdsguy 07-21-2007 02:13 PM

this sure backfired.

darksoul 07-21-2007 02:17 PM

where are the bros ?

Dirty F 07-21-2007 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 12794891)
where are the bros ?

Yeah im amazed. I expected it to be worse. Then again theyre also not here to say Mark screwed up.

But yeah i expected quite some people to come here saying Mark is top notch shit.

So far the only one was Sleazymoron but he quickly dissapeared again when he found out how retarded he looked with his comment.

Dirty F 07-21-2007 02:24 PM

But think about it. People have been banned for WAY smaller accusations. And the fact that Mark isnt even here to apologize because he obviously doesnt care sure doesnt make things better.

Dirty Dane 07-21-2007 02:26 PM

This reminds me somehow about the email spam made to hurt some programs earlier. Same shit, different clothes?

candyflip 07-21-2007 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 12794904)
But think about it. People have been banned for WAY smaller accusations. And the fact that Mark isnt even here to apologize because he obviously doesnt care sure doesnt make things better.

I'm going to call him Skidmark from now on.

GTS Mark 07-21-2007 02:29 PM

If it turns out we are in the wrong I will apologize, when we asked for the site owner's help last night he was very confrontational and everything lead to him. The program owner despite the icq logs he posted (which were altered BTW) was a complete dick to us. All we wanted to do was track down the affiliate/or him that defrauded of us of $16,000 in ad spots he would not help us in the slightest.

Why would someone buy spots with no referral code?

Why out of the hundreds if not thousands of programs out there choose THIS particular one?

Why would the program owner so be difficult and confrontational to deal with? Why would he not jump to help us find the guy if he knew someone was trying to hurt his program/brand.

Look I am a big enough man to apologize if I'm in the wrong, but if you're in our position everything was leading to this guy. He at the end of the day should work with us to find out who the affiliate is that is doing this.

Candyflip, what's up with the "cunt" remark to my wife? How fucking old are you anyways? I'm going to ask the GFY admins to ban you for that, that's just ridiculous.

Franck you sure seem to love to bash our company, any chance you get you just jump on the bandwagon. Can't you spend your time doing more spamming or whatever it is that you do that brings in 2 joins a day? LOL!

DH

Dirty F 07-21-2007 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
If it turns out we are in the wrong I will apologize, when we asked for the site owner's help last night he was very confrontational and everything lead to him. The program owner despite the icq logs he posted (which were altered BTW) was a complete dick to us. All we wanted to do was track down the affiliate/or him that defrauded of us of $16,000 in ad spots he would not help us in the slightest.

Why would someone buy spots with no referral code?

Why out of the hundreds if not thousands of programs out there choose THIS particular one?

Why would the program owner so be difficult and confrontational to deal with? Why would he not jump to help us find the guy if he knew someone was trying to hurt his program/brand.

Look I am a big enough man to apologize if I'm in the wrong, but if you're in our position everything was leading to this guy. He at the end of the day should work with us to find out who the affiliate is that is doing this.

Candyflip, what's up with the "cunt" remark to my wife? How fucking old are you anyways? I'm going to ask the GFY admins to ban you for that, that's just ridiculous.

Franck you sure seem to love to bash our company, any chance you get you just jump on the bandwagon. Can't you spend your time doing more spamming or whatever it is that you do that brings in 2 joins a day? LOL!

DH

Jesus chris dude just fucking apologize already. You are unbelievable!


"I'm going to ask the GFY admins to ban you for that, that's just ridiculous."

OOMMMGGGG :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
Candyflip, what's up with the "cunt" remark to my wife? How fucking old are you anyways? I'm going to ask the GFY admins to ban you for that, that's just ridiculous.


O M G

Some people just have no shame I guess......

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

GFY is great entertainments. I need to tell all the other fags I know about this place. You breeders are funnay.................. LOLROFL!@#$!@#$!

Dirty F 07-21-2007 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
Candyflip, what's up with the "cunt" remark to my wife? How fucking old are you anyways? I'm going to ask the GFY admins to ban you for that, that's just ridiculous.

This quote deserves its own post :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hoooly fucking shit!!!

Im not even gonna bother finding a pot and kettle pic as everyone will think the same thing :1orglaugh

Dirty F 07-21-2007 02:34 PM

Yup, its confirmed, Mark lives in some kind of fantasy world far, far away from reality.

xNetworx 07-21-2007 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)

Why would the program owner so be difficult and confrontational to deal with? Why would he not jump to help us find the guy if he knew someone was trying to hurt his program/brand.

Um... That would be your company trying to hurt him?

pocketkangaroo 07-21-2007 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
Candyflip, what's up with the "cunt" remark to my wife? How fucking old are you anyways? I'm going to ask the GFY admins to ban you for that, that's just ridiculous.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I just defamed a company on the boards without proof but the GFY admins should strike down anyone who dare use the word "cunt" on this family friendly message board.

candyflip 07-21-2007 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
If it turns out we are in the wrong I will apologize, when we asked for the site owner's help last night he was very confrontational and everything lead to him. The program owner despite the icq logs he posted (which were altered BTW) was a complete dick to us. All we wanted to do was track down the affiliate/or him that defrauded of us of $16,000 in ad spots he would not help us in the slightest.

Why would someone buy spots with no referral code?

Why out of the hundreds if not thousands of programs out there choose THIS particular one?

Why would the program owner so be difficult and confrontational to deal with? Why would he not jump to help us find the guy if he knew someone was trying to hurt his program/brand.

Look I am a big enough man to apologize if I'm in the wrong, but if you're in our position everything was leading to this guy. He at the end of the day should work with us to find out who the affiliate is that is doing this.

Candyflip, what's up with the "cunt" remark to my wife? How fucking old are you anyways? I'm going to ask the GFY admins to ban you for that, that's just ridiculous.

Franck you sure seem to love to bash our company, any chance you get you just jump on the bandwagon. Can't you spend your time doing more spamming or whatever it is that you do that brings in 2 joins a day? LOL!

DH

Skidmark, ask all you want to have me banned. You dragged someone's name through the mud based on assumptions and you want to have me banned because I said she was acting like a cunt?

Asking about my age? You're the one who needs to grow up and quit acting like a spoiled fucking 12 year old. :1orglaugh

He wasn't a complete dick to you. The first lines of those icq logs show you and you're lovely wife trying to throw your wait around, accusing them of stealing from you without even trying to ask nicely. If you want someone's help, the best way to go about it is to ask nicely...not come across like a holier than thou shit stain. Which in this case, both you and Sarah come across as.

Don't hate on my for pointing out the obvious. :1orglaugh

GTS Mark 07-21-2007 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 12794937)
Jesus chris dude just fucking apologize already. You are unbelievable!


"I'm going to ask the GFY admins to ban you for that, that's just ridiculous."

OOMMMGGGG :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Guy you're the one that's ridiculous, how many posts have you made in this 5 page thread? About 3 pages yourself :1orglaugh

DH

webmasterchecks 07-21-2007 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
If it turns out we are in the wrong I will apologize, when we asked for the site owner's help last night he was very confrontational and everything lead to him. The program owner despite the icq logs he posted (which were altered BTW) was a complete dick to us. All we wanted to do was track down the affiliate/or him that defrauded of us of $16,000 in ad spots he would not help us in the slightest.

Why would someone buy spots with no referral code?

Why out of the hundreds if not thousands of programs out there choose THIS particular one?

Why would the program owner so be difficult and confrontational to deal with? Why would he not jump to help us find the guy if he knew someone was trying to hurt his program/brand.

Look I am a big enough man to apologize if I'm in the wrong, but if you're in our position everything was leading to this guy. He at the end of the day should work with us to find out who the affiliate is that is doing this.

Candyflip, what's up with the "cunt" remark to my wife? How fucking old are you anyways? I'm going to ask the GFY admins to ban you for that, that's just ridiculous.

Franck you sure seem to love to bash our company, any chance you get you just jump on the bandwagon. Can't you spend your time doing more spamming or whatever it is that you do that brings in 2 joins a day? LOL!

DH

jeez, what a bunch of scumbags

GTS Mark 07-21-2007 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 12794957)
Skidmark, ask all you want to have me banned. You dragged someone's name through the mud based on assumptions and you want to have me banned because I said she was acting like a cunt?

Asking about my age? You're the one who needs to grow up and quit acting like a spoiled fucking 12 year old. :1orglaugh

He wasn't a complete dick to you. The first lines of those icq logs show you and you're lovely wife trying to throw your wait around, accusing them of stealing from you without even trying to ask nicely. If you want someone's help, the best way to go about it is to ask nicely...not come across like a holier than thou shit stain. Which in this case, both you and Sarah come across as.

Don't hate on my for pointing out the obvious. :1orglaugh


The obvious point is that you are very immature, and I don't take kindly to people saying such things about my wife.

DH

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 12794957)
He wasn't a complete dick to you. The first lines of those icq logs show you and you're lovely wife trying to throw your wait around, accusing them of stealing from you without even trying to ask nicely. If you want someone's help, the best way to go about it is to ask nicely...not come across like a holier than thou shit stain. Which in this case, both you and Sarah come across as.

Don't hate on my for pointing out the obvious. :1orglaugh

I'm confused. Sarah is his wife?

See I never know the back story on breeder soap operas.

Makes things so hard to follow sometimes.:Oh crap

Dirty F 07-21-2007 02:39 PM

Skidmark, remember you love to use the words "burning bridges"?

I think you burned more of them in 1 thread than me in all my years online. Congrats imbecile haha.

candyflip 07-21-2007 02:39 PM

Why should he help you out? You keep saying that he should be willing to help you out but I don't see any reason why he should or would.

You're a legend man...in your own mind. It's about time you got taken down a rung or two.

Still making your employees work on outdated machines with pirated software?

CDSmith 07-21-2007 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
Why would the program owner so be difficult and confrontational to deal with? Why would he not jump to help us find the guy if he knew someone was trying to hurt his program/brand.

Just a guess here, but maybe, oh...maybe, just maybe... because instead of approaching him from the angle of giving him the benefit of the doubt and taking a reasonable tone with him you instead chose to OUT his program on the boards first and call him a thief and a cheater and a scammer and a liar?

Again, just a guess.

GTS Mark 07-21-2007 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pimpporn (Post 12794948)
Um... That would be your company trying to hurt him?

No we wanted to catch a scammer... He did not want to help us find someone that was ripping us off and using his company's image/brand to do so.

DH

Dirty F 07-21-2007 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794964)
The obvious point is that you are very immature, and I don't take kindly to people saying such things about my wife.

DH

I think at this point you should worry about other things :1orglaugh

Just a friendly tip skidmark.

billybathgate 07-21-2007 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12794511)
After doing a bit of research on this, I get the impression the link on the gallery was in fact switched. if you take a look at this alexa cached version, you'll see:

Actual URL: http://onlyteenfiles.com/tf/abril/01
Cached URL: http://64.213.200.107/cgi-bin/docach...S3NDa xNDIHAA

If you look at the links to the sponsors from these two links, you'll see the second link goes to: http://www.topadult10.com/search.php?aid=71655&q=Teens

The actual page (now) goes to: http://www.teenstarsmagazine.com/proc/?

My guess is that this content was probably ripped from TeenStarsMagazine and was being linked to the PPC search engine. Whoever ripped the site used the stolen CC, made his quick cash with the PPC search engine and when it became apparent the CC was stolen he switched it out to the actual paysite he ripped it from. This is likely why the affiliate program owner had no spike in traffic or sales, the traffic in reality went to the PPC search engine.

I think you should be contacting whoever owns topadult10.com and pass on that affiliate ID and trace who owns that account, that's likely the culprit. It seems that TeenStarsMagazine isn't actually the one who did this.

Hope this helps...
WG

WiredGuy
Pounding Googlebot

Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Waterloo, Ontario

:bowdown:bowdown

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 02:41 PM

I want to poste and image but I need 30 posts at least so sorry but I have to bump this thread for free just to reach 30 posts :)

GTS Mark 07-21-2007 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12794972)
Just a guess here, but maybe, oh... because instead of approaching him from the angle of giving him the benefit of the doubt and taking a reasonable tone with him you instead chose to OUT his program on the boards first and call him a thief and a cheater and a scammer and a liar?

Again, just a guess.

No actually we contacted him on very amicable terms, the icq logs posted do not accurately represent what happened (they never seem to LOL). Sarah was the one who contacted him first and when he became very nasty and confrontational i followed up.

People can post whatever they want to post but that's the reality

DH

DH

Sly 07-21-2007 02:42 PM

Let's see the unaltered logs.

chupacabra 07-21-2007 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12794972)
Just a guess here, but maybe, oh...maybe, just maybe... because instead of approaching him from the angle of giving him the benefit of the doubt and taking a reasonable tone with him you instead chose to OUT his program on the boards first and call him a thief and a cheater and a scammer and a liar?

Again, just a guess.

bingo. DH, if your going to bring the drama complete w/ threats then be sure to do your homework beforehand... keep in mind *who* started this thread, bro..

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 02:42 PM

I want to post an image but I need 30 posts at least so sorry but I have to bump this thread for free just to reach 30 posts :)

GTS Mark 07-21-2007 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 12794974)
I think at this point you should worry about other things :1orglaugh

Just a friendly tip skidmark.

Thanks Francky, get back to your spamming now. You still need to pay for that internext room you can't afford. I see you're selling off domain names to pay for it now...

DH

xNetworx 07-21-2007 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794973)
No we wanted to catch a scammer... He did not want to help us find someone that was ripping us off and using his company's image/brand to do so.

DH

Why should he be OBLIGATED to help you. If you have proof it is him, call your lawyer. Don't make his program look bad on boards, especially when you are considered a very influential person/business.

Theo 07-21-2007 02:44 PM

poor handling...

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 02:44 PM

2 more................

CDSmith 07-21-2007 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794988)
No actually we contacted him on very amicable terms, the icq logs posted do not accurately represent what happened (they never seem to LOL). Sarah was the one who contacted him first and when he became very nasty and confrontational i followed up.

People can post whatever they want to post but that's the reality

DH

DH

But... the threads you posted about his company DID exist at that time, did they not?

Honest now... did you contact him FIRST or did you upload the threads accusing him first?


Upload times need to be verified.

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 02:45 PM

1 more.......

webmasterchecks 07-21-2007 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
If it turns out we are in the wrong I will apologize,

wtf about doing your research first before you try to ruin a small program, even if there is a 2% chance that it wasnt them? first of all, they would be the first fucking suspect, you would figure if they really did it and wanted to get away with it, they would do it a little smarter than that


Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
when we asked for the site owner's help last night he was very confrontational and everything lead to him.

he was not obligated to give you shit, especially if your acting like an asshole to him


Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
The program owner despite the icq logs he posted (which were altered BTW) was a complete dick to us.

oh yea? are you saying you didnt say the below? what specifically did he alter?

DrinkingHard ‎(1.37):
it doesn't even matter, because we will ruin you



put on your flame suit, buddy, gas tank just exploded

CDSmith 07-21-2007 02:46 PM

You posted the thread on JBM Yesterday (Jul 20th) @ 06:10 PM


When did you contact him?

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
The program owner despite the icq logs he posted (which were altered BTW) was a complete dick to us.
DH

SO ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE SAYNG THAT I SAY LIES.
YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF SOMETHING NOT TRUE!!!!
THIS IS INCREDIBLE!

here is the SCREEN CAPTURE of our conversation

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8bb841ef67.jpg

did I CAHNGED IT AS WELL?!?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

INCREDIBLE
Againy ou say that I HAVE BEEN A DICK WHEN FROM TEH VERY BEGiNNING I WENT I DID EVERYTHING TO HELP YOU!!!!!
I went thru the ccbill affilaites database.
And even if I did that I had been insulted and treated!!!!

wait I am going to capture the conversation with Sarah to show that I have not changed one SINGLE LETTER

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/c6afcd56ef.jpg

sonofsamm 07-21-2007 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12794993)
Let's see the unaltered logs.




That's your que drinkinhard.

GTS Mark 07-21-2007 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 12794968)
Skidmark, remember you love to use the words "burning bridges"?

I think you burned more of them in 1 thread than me in all my years online. Congrats imbecile haha.

The difference is here Franck is that I am successful, you are a GFY troll.

You're the guy who can't even afford his own Internext hotel room? How fucking ridiculous is that. You're also the guy in the past who outsourced his own postings on GFY. I guess sigwhoring pays that well huh?

I would love to post that icq conversation we had about a year ago where you were looking for new businesses to get into and I gave you some great solid ideas of what you could have done. I guess you will call me out on that one too huh, but I'm sure we both remember that conversation.

I don't know why you are such a mad and nasty person, i guess the years of grinding it out without having any major successes have turned you into what you are.

A GFY troll.

DH

commonsense 07-21-2007 02:48 PM

This thread just got it's 2nd (or 3rd) wind.

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)

Why would the program owner so be difficult and confrontational to deal with?
DH


I ahev nto been dificult AT ALL! Maybe you showuld read from the SCREEN CAPTURES what YOU WROTE TO ME and what SARAH wrotes to me and what I ansswered!!!!

TDF 07-21-2007 02:49 PM

pudding meet proof

CDSmith 07-21-2007 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pimpporn (Post 12795002)
Why should he be OBLIGATED to help you. If you have proof it is him, call your lawyer. Don't make his program look bad on boards, especially when you are considered a very influential person/business.

No, if the guy is guilty then I'm of the opinion that DH has very right to destroy them publicly.

But it appears that he jumped the gun and took it to the boards very prematurely, which is just wrong, plain and simple.

Take note you people out there who may be about to experience drama of your own.... pull a clue out of your ass and make sure you are 100% certain of the facts before running to the boards where you will make yourselves look unprofessional and, well, dumb.


:D

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 02:50 PM



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