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BusterBunny 07-21-2007 02:50 PM
i wil get you gadget if its the last thing i do

TDF 07-21-2007 02:50 PM
250 post logs

Sly 07-21-2007 02:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794988)
No actually we contacted him on very amicable terms, the icq logs posted do not accurately represent what happened (they never seem to LOL). Sarah was the one who contacted him first and when he became very nasty and confrontational i followed up.

People can post whatever they want to post but that's the reality

DH

DH
Sarah started a thread looking for him, with drama in tone, then you started this thread a few hours later, max. So she contacted him with poor response before you started this thread?

Did this all really happen yesterday? On a Friday? I don't know where this guy is from but his English isn't the greatest, he's possibly European... yesterday afternoon North American time was late night European Time. You gave a fair amount of response time, right?

Dirty F 07-21-2007 02:50 PM
So skidmark is even lying about you changing the icq logs??

Jesus, that guy just doesnt stop...

Seriously, has anybody ever seen anything similar like this on gfy? Its truly insane whats happening here.

And in the meantime skill no fucking excuse, nothing. Just skidmark bashing everyone.

sonofsamm 07-21-2007 02:51 PM
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1736/gtsmt0.jpg

incase u missed the other thread

Gnus 07-21-2007 02:51 PM
Dam note to self do not do business GTS.

Gary

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794973)
No we wanted to catch a scammer... He did not want to help us find someone that was ripping us off and using his company's image/brand to do so.

DH
This is not true AT ALL AS WELL
if you want to keep writing LIES do it.
I don't care. I even posted teh screen captures of the ICQ history.

webmasterchecks 07-21-2007 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12795024)
The difference is here Franck is that I am successful, you are a GFY troll.

You're the guy who can't even afford his own Internext hotel room? How fucking ridiculous is that. You're also the guy in the past who outsourced his own postings on GFY. I guess sigwhoring pays that well huh?

I would love to post that icq conversation we had about a year ago where you were looking for new businesses to get into and I gave you some great solid ideas of what you could have done. I guess you will call me out on that one too huh, but I'm sure we both remember that conversation.

I don't know why you are such a mad and nasty person, i guess the years of grinding it out without having any major successes have turned you into what you are.

A GFY troll.

DH
what are you attacking franck for? he is doing nothing more than pointing out what happened. he is not spinning or changing the facts in any way. what does what you posted about him have to do with this thread?

xNetworx 07-21-2007 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12795034)
No, if the guy is guilty then I'm of the opinion that DH has very right to destroy them publicly.

But it appears that he jumped the gun and took it to the boards very prematurely, which is just wrong, plain and simple.

Take note you people out there who may be about to experience drama of your own.... pull a clue out of your ass and make sure you are 100% certain of the facts before running to the boards where you will make yourselves look unprofessional and, well, dumb.


:D

Yeah, if he has concrete proof it is OK to out them publically.

CDSmith 07-21-2007 02:53 PM
So in looking at the screencaps of the ICQ's that were just posted, it appears DH that you put up the "LOOK OUT FOR THIS THIEVING PROGRAM" threads yesterday, July 20th,

but only contacted the guy today, the 21st.


Is that correct?


If so it's not looking good for your case, or for your question about why the guy has been "confrontational"

I'd be a lot more than confrontational with you if you came at me that way, trust me.

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by webmasterchecks (Post 12795051)
what are you attacking franck for? he is doing nothing more than pointing out what happened. he is not spinning or changing the facts in any way. what does what you posted about him have to do with this thread?
It's called the Texas Two Step.

You should see me doing it in one of those cowgirl skirts, it's thexy.....

Dirty F 07-21-2007 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12795024)
The difference is here Franck is that I am successful, you are a GFY troll.

You're the guy who can't even afford his own Internext hotel room? How fucking ridiculous is that. You're also the guy in the past who outsourced his own postings on GFY. I guess sigwhoring pays that well huh?

I would love to post that icq conversation we had about a year ago where you were looking for new businesses to get into and I gave you some great solid ideas of what you could have done. I guess you will call me out on that one too huh, but I'm sure we both remember that conversation.

I don't know why you are such a mad and nasty person, i guess the years of grinding it out without having any major successes have turned you into what you are.

A GFY troll.

DH
Blah blah skidmark, shall i quote the people here who said something like "i wont do business with that company"? I can tell you its more people than there are people who ever refused my business.

And all this in 1 day compared to all my years online. Once again, congrats. Quite an achievement.

Think about it for a minute.

GTS Mark 07-21-2007 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12795006)
But... the threads you posted about his company DID exist at that time, did they not?

Honest now... did you contact him FIRST or did you upload the threads accusing him first?


Upload times need to be verified.
We contacted him before anything was on GFY.

DH

candyflip 07-21-2007 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794964)
The obvious point is that you are very immature, and I don't take kindly to people saying such things about my wife.

DH
So sue me or beat me up so I can sue you. :1orglaugh

Theo 07-21-2007 02:55 PM
CDSmith, don't waste your energy. It's close to impossible to find ppl in this industry admitting when they were wrong, let alone apologize.

chupacabra 07-21-2007 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by webmasterchecks (Post 12795051)
what are you attacking franck for? he is doing nothing more than pointing out what happened. he is not spinning or changing the facts in any way. what does what you posted about him have to do with this thread?
i think its called "obfuscation".. :error

GTS Mark 07-21-2007 02:58 PM
This is the last post I am going to make in this thread, because obv it has become a flame gts/mark thread at this point and is just becoming ridiculous.

As mentioned before if we're in the wrong we will re-tract our statement and apologize.

DH

webmasterchecks 07-21-2007 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 12795067)
CDSmith, don't waste your energy. It's close to impossible to find ppl in this industry admitting when they were wrong, let alone apologize.
and thats a shame, because all it was taken would be a sincere apology and a promise to learn and move on that would fix 90% of it. in my opinion, positions like that cost more in other peoples respect than they gain in retaining ones pride

sonofsamm 07-21-2007 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12795078)
As mentioned before if we're in the wrong we will re-tract our statement and apologize.

DH
That makes it right? What about all webmasters who glanced at GFY today... saw and read your post.. and then didn't stick around long enough to see that you were completely wrong. Maybe by the next time they come onto gfy the post won't be at the top anymore, and they will just always be thinking that their program is a fraud. ?

DateDoc 07-21-2007 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 12793128)
sara - contact cybercat - if the same guy's screwed them too blacklist that sponser if they don't comply with handing over the guys info and possibly commissions from those galleries.

between you and cybercat you can pretty much END a program from generating ANY tgp traffic of any sigificant volume.

so that NO affilate can use them. that will end most new programs
You are siding with your 'bro' so that is no big surprise but handing over private info is illegal without a subpoena. If this is such a pressing issue why have Visa or the police not been contacted. Do it the right way and you will get results.

PS - your brotocracy, if it continues to act like this, thinking it is above everyone else and can do as it pleases, will be a thing of the past.

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 03:00 PM
When I have read that he was going to apologize I told to me well at least finally he found that he was wrong..

But when I have read that the ICQ logs were not the real ones... well.. I don't know hwo do you say that in english. But my arms falled on teh ground. To say that I felt like if an asteroid landed on my head. Increadible.

Maybe even the screen captures are fakes?!?!

candyflip 07-21-2007 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12795078)
This is the last post I am going to make in this thread, because obv it has become a flame gts/mark thread at this point and is just becoming ridiculous.

As mentioned before if we're in the wrong we will re-tract our statement and apologize.

DH
Typical of Mark, who should now be seen as a skidmark on the underpants of this industry. You really are a lying, scummy piece of shit. And your wife is too. Both of which have been proven in this thread...I'm just pointing it out. :winkwink:

Dirty F 07-21-2007 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12795078)
This is the last post I am going to make in this thread, because obv it has become a flame gts/mark thread at this point and is just becoming ridiculous.

As mentioned before if we're in the wrong we will re-tract our statement and apologize.

DH
:1orglaugh

Yup, everyone is just attacking you for fun Mark. :1orglaugh

commonsense 07-21-2007 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
If it turns out we are in the wrong I will apologize, when we asked for the site owner's help last night he was very confrontational and everything lead to him. The program owner despite the icq logs he posted (which were altered BTW) was a complete dick to us. All we wanted to do was track down the affiliate/or him that defrauded of us of $16,000 in ad spots he would not help us in the slightest.

Why would someone buy spots with no referral code?

Why out of the hundreds if not thousands of programs out there choose THIS particular one?

Why would the program owner so be difficult and confrontational to deal with? Why would he not jump to help us find the guy if he knew someone was trying to hurt his program/brand.

Look I am a big enough man to apologize if I'm in the wrong, but if you're in our position everything was leading to this guy. He at the end of the day should work with us to find out who the affiliate is that is doing this.

Candyflip, what's up with the "cunt" remark to my wife? How fucking old are you anyways? I'm going to ask the GFY admins to ban you for that, that's just ridiculous.

Franck you sure seem to love to bash our company, any chance you get you just jump on the bandwagon. Can't you spend your time doing more spamming or whatever it is that you do that brings in 2 joins a day? LOL!

DH

Getting scammed sucks. But nothing for nothing, but you should be appreciative that through all of this you found a new way to protect yourself and business from future scams. This won't be the last time it will happen. I'd send WiredGuy a fruit basket or something.


Any new information or proof to shed on the issue?

CDSmith 07-21-2007 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12795064)
We contacted him before anything was on GFY.

DH
Your brief answers aren't helping either. You might include whether or not you gave the guy enough time to respond, and if there was any accusation to your tone with him early-on.

It's none of my business of course, but since you chose to take it to the board it becomes everyone's business, no? Just making sure we're clear on that so no one can later say I'm sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong. :D

I'm really just trying to help sort this out and get at the truth. My next question to you is, can you not see or understand how the guy might get his back up at you even a little? And it does appear that even if you did contact him, it was still before you knew all the facts you know now that you went ahead and hit the boards with this drama.

I know it's $16k, but isn't the most important thing in these instances to figure out who the actual thief is rather than hang the person or company that only appears guilty?

DateDoc 07-21-2007 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12795078)
This is the last post I am going to make in this thread, because obv it has become a flame gts/mark thread at this point and is just becoming ridiculous.

As mentioned before if we're in the wrong we will re-tract our statement and apologize.

DH
How about you make sure you are right before you make such calumniatory statements. :2 cents:

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmc_producer (Post 12795087)
well.. I don't know hwo do you say that in english. But my arms falled on teh ground. To say that I felt like if an asteroid landed on my head. Increadible.
You're just adorable. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

ThePornBrain 07-21-2007 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12795056)
So in looking at the screencaps of the ICQ's that were just posted, it appears DH that you put up the "LOOK OUT FOR THIS THIEVING PROGRAM" threads yesterday, July 20th,

but only contacted the guy today, the 21st.


Is that correct?


If so it's not looking good for your case, or for your question about why the guy has been "confrontational"

I'd be a lot more than confrontational with you if you came at me that way, trust me.
according to the browser language tmc is italien - so it was probably already the 21st. over there while it was still the 20th in canada

i think people should keep in mind that the world does not evolve around their local place.

this thread (http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/753140-teenmegacash-contact-urgent.html) shows that it was created half an hour before midnight italien time - and 2 hours later (http://www.gfy.com/12791573-post3.html) "shit hits the fan" - which was exactly 1:17 am.

i mean - honestly - without wanting to get involved - this can't work. especially when also no one in this business is forced to have gfy open 24/7

sonofsamm 07-21-2007 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 12795099)
Getting scammed sucks. But nothing for nothing, but you should be appreciative that through all of this you found a new way to protect yourself and business from future scams. This won't be the last time it will happen. I'd send WiredGuy a fruit basket or something.


Any new information or proof to shed on the issue?
Funny... With a name like "commonsense" you'd think you'd READ THE FUCKING THREAD, IDIOT.

TheDoc 07-21-2007 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 12794925)
He at the end of the day should work with us to find out who the affiliate is that is doing this.
If the guy did fraud you, you can blast him as much as you like.. But common sense tells you that you better be damn sure what you are going to do.


He was a lot nicer than I would have been, I wouldn't have stood for that for a second and the words that would have followed would show you my true side of being an utter asshole. I would have made your wife cry.

Fraud by this guy or not, you took the wrong approach.. you should learn from this experience but previous history proves that isn't going to happen.


And post jump.. Why bash Franck? He does something, earns at least something.. Enough for me, I don't care if you make $100 or $1m, your just another Webmaster trying to earn a dime. And don't you just own a traffic broker service? I mean, that isn't really the top dog thing in all honesty.

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePornBrain (Post 12795110)
according to the browser language tmc is italien - so it was probably already the 21st. over there while it was still the 20th in canada

i think people should keep in mind that the world does not evolve around their local place.

this thread (http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/753140-teenmegacash-contact-urgent.html) shows that it was created half an hour before midnight italien time - and 2 hours later (http://www.gfy.com/12791573-post3.html) "shit hits the fan" - which was exactly 1:17 am.

i mean - honestly - without wanting to get involved - this can't work. especially when also no one in this business is forced to have gfy open 24/7
I don't get your point.

I came back home after midnight and I found the messages on ICQ about the fact that they were searchign for me.
Then we talked on icq.
So?

commonsense 07-21-2007 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofsamm (Post 12795112)
Funny... With a name like "commonsense" you'd think you'd READ THE FUCKING THREAD, IDIOT.


I CAN DO THAT TOO. IF YOU READ THE FUCKING THREAD YOU'D SEE MY COMMENTS ON EVERY GODDAMN PAGE. ALWAYS INTERESTED IN MORE INFORMATION COCKSUCKER :321GFY

xNetworx 07-21-2007 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 12795119)
And don't you just own a traffic broker service? I mean, that isn't really the top dog thing in all honesty.
GTS must be making a small fortune














because they are way overpriced :1orglaugh

Juicy D. Links 07-21-2007 03:11 PM
Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

wha i miss??????????????/

ThePornBrain 07-21-2007 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmc_producer (Post 12795129)
I don't get your point.

I came back home after midnight and I found the messages on ICQ about the fact that they were searchign for me.
Then we talked on icq.
So?
well, i just wanted to show that if GTS posts around midnight your time on GFY that you should contact them they cannot expect to get an answer within 2 hours. :2 cents:

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 12795150)
Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

wha i miss??????????????/
From reading past threads, I'd say pretty much the usual. :2 cents:

Chio 07-21-2007 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 12795066)
So sue me or beat me up so I can sue you. :1orglaugh
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

CDSmith 07-21-2007 03:13 PM
I think Pam over on JBM summed it up perfectly:

Quote:
Originally Posted by pam (Post 1171168)
I could see being ANGRY as hell at being ripped for $16k, but it seems not enough research was done to find out who actually prospered from this.
DH, come on man, make this right with the tmc guy and get on with nailing the asshole who did this.

tmc_producer 07-21-2007 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePornBrain (Post 12795151)
well, i just wanted to show that if GTS posts around midnight your time on GFY that you should contact them they cannot expect to get an answer within 2 hours. :2 cents:
Ahhhhh ok ok got it sorry. Maybe they thought that I was posting on gfy 24/7 and keeping the forum open 24/7
lol

commonsense 07-21-2007 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pimpporn (Post 12795149)
GTS must be making a small fortune














because they are way overpriced :1orglaugh

From the quoted figures, WAY overpriced. :disgust

sonofsamm 07-21-2007 03:15 PM
Bold Text Fight!!!!

Juicy D. Links 07-21-2007 03:16 PM
fuck i am tired

jscott 07-21-2007 03:17 PM
thats fucked up

where is the thread where GTS is apologizing to TeenMegaCash? i'm sure they are responsible and so sorry to them that they've already made an "im sorry" thread right?

Evil E 07-21-2007 03:17 PM
One of the best threads in a while. I'm glad I stumbled upon it.

GTS came off as complete technical clueless rude scumbags. I hope they get a few clues from WiredGuy or hire someone who has the skills to figure out what happened next time before threatening someone randomly with a mafia-esque attitude over the Internet.

I'm pretty sure that if a GTS competitor shows up in the next couple of months, a lot of people would be willing to give them a try.

commonsense 07-21-2007 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofsamm (Post 12795165)
Bold Text Fight!!!!
:1orglaugh

candyflip 07-21-2007 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12795161)
I think Pam over on JBM summed it up perfectly:

DH, come on man, make this right with the tmc guy and get on with nailing the asshole who did this.
He's done as much possible to try smear this poor guy and his program. It doesn't matter if he apologizes and tries to make it right. He's still a skidmark for acting the way he does.

DateDoc 07-21-2007 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmc_producer (Post 12795129)
I don't get your point.

I came back home after midnight and I found the messages on ICQ about the fact that they were searchign for me.
Then we talked on icq.
So?
Sta prendendo il vostro detto laterale che anche se il filetto è stato inviato durante il giorno per il tempo dei manifesti esso era vicino alla mezzanotte il vostro tempo

If my Italian sucks i am sorry :P

Sly 07-21-2007 03:19 PM
I really need a hug after all this reading of nonsense. My body is going crazy!

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jscott (Post 12795170)
thats fucked up

where is the thread where GTS is apologizing to TeenMegaCash? i'm sure they are responsible and so sorry to them that they've already made an "im sorry" thread right?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:error

BoyAlley 07-21-2007 03:20 PM


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