Joey E bought me strippers and booze.....he's a top notch stand up guy :1orglaugh. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

So he gave you $300 a week for doing nothing ... that makes him irresponsible and a terrible business person, not a great guy. Can you see that it would be hard for those he took money from to be impressed by that?

I hear what you are saying about the old days, it was a stack of fun, but there was no glorified hustle or innovators like you remember ... it was just a bunch of people standing under a rain cloud with a bucket. The innovators came when competition came, but really there's still not much more or less innovation here today than there was in 96, 99, 2002 ... the business people & innovators made their money & got out, they didn't spend their money and get driven out.

Everything we went through back then was a learning experience ... I just don't understand how you couldn't have learnt that throwing money around to show others how much you have isn't good business. It might have been cool, fun, hustle etc, but we were all just average folk making easy money & showing it off to anyone who cared.

I long for the days of Faye's shows with 500 odd people, 1 party per night and nobody wanting to kill each other for ripping them off.



Busty, that's a great photo of you and jeff!! We used to bump into each other all the time back in those days. I am trying to remember the name of that beautiful girl who worked with you, starts with L - your sister or jeff's sister I think? I always had a good chat with her & she was such a beautiful girl. I'm trying to find the photos of us but that's going back several hard drives ;/

i just did a Faye show in tampa last month and as usual was one of the best shows of the year

I'm not surprised at all Forest!

Faye & Dave always put on the best shows & back then it was small enough that everyone knew each other. I just love those guys so much! Once I arrived in vegas a few days early for some tourist activity and the 3 of us went and saw a classic vegas show. It was a hoot of a night with Faye & I called up onto the stage to dance.

Damn you kb for this reminiscing!!! ;p Its really been the week for it ...

Gday young lady

I was going to spit some GFY junk back at your reply, until I read the bit about Bobby. Fuck me drunk.

This thread got me to plow through some old photos and dv tapes last night and I found some funny stuff with JoeE and a ton of other oldschool people. One day I'll take some time and edit it all up ... truly funny and memorable times :)

I hear what your saying from a logical standpoint about how innovators came when competition came BUT do you really believe there were no innovators and no hustle back then CJ?

Robin Nixon wasn't an innovator? Slick Rick from YNOT? Ron Levi? Serge? Al Hadhazy? The guys behind Video Secrets and Python's live sex from amsterdam? The adult online business today, the various business models - and commerce on the net as a whole is based on all the innovative shit that was absolutely created in those days. Granted, it was easier to make a buck because it wasn't so saturated - but seriously, it wasn't just standing around with buckets and $$$ falling from the sky - it was ALWAYS A HUSTLE :winkwink:

Regardless of the fast money coming in and going out - I don't regret ... nor would I change a thing. The travel, the shows, the partying, THE PARTIES were all great life experiences ... and learning experiences! Best of all, I have deep rooted friendships and business relationships that have lasted the test of time from those days.

AND, these days are great too! I've settled down, have two beautiful kids and a wife I adore - I'm happier today than I've ever been and I owe a lot of that to THE OLD DAYS :thumbsup

J$tyle$, oh yeah, there was hustle and hype and drama and all that ... but do you seriously think that video secrets are responsible for streaming video and live sex shows? The companies that created webcams and the video technology 'innovated' that ... we just came along and used it at a time when millions of people around the world with credit cards wanted to use the technology for sex. We tried it, tested it, improved it, made it better, marketed it etc, but we didn't innovate it. Although I guess we could get stuck on semantics of the meaning of that word LOL

Honestly, how can you say that its innovative to say 'hey i have a great idea, i'll use this webcam to broadcast sex!'? That's basically what we are saying about all of these 'innovators'.

You know I've worked with a few of those who are considered innovators, but even they will tell you they just did something a bit different to the person before.

I mean really ... lets not give ourselves so much credit for doing what any idiot could have done!

I do agree with you on 1 thing though ... I don't regret any of it. The good, bad and ugly ... if nothing else I'm grateful for the lessons I learnt so young & the people I've met & learnt from along the way. And it sure was fun ....

It is semantics then, because neither one of us said INVENT, and I'm not saying that now :winkwink:

I guess we can agree to disagree then because when you use the word "innovators", the following interpetations or definitions come to my mind - and all of the people I mentioned are credited with the following:

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
in·no·vate /ˈɪnəˌveɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-uh-veyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -vat·ed, -vat·ing.
?verb (used without object)
1. to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.
?verb (used with object)
2. to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time: to innovate a computer operating system.
3. Archaic. to alter.

The classic definitions of innovation include:

1. the process of making improvements by introducing something new
2. the act of introducing something new: something newly introduced (The American Heritage Dictionary).
3. the process of translating new ideas into tangible societal impact (Krisztina Holly, Vice Provost, University of Southern California, and Executive Director of USC Stevens Institute for Innovation)
4. the introduction of something new. (Merriam-Webster Online)
5. a new idea, method or device. (Merriam-Webster Online)
6. the successful exploitation of new ideas (Department of Trade and Industry, UK).
7. change that creates a new dimension of performance Peter Drucker (Hesselbein, 2002)
8. A creative idea that is realized [(Frans Johansson)] (Harvard Business School Press, 2004)

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[QUOTE=TheAmericanCannibal;12805114]As this next AVN show in Florida approaches I get a melancholy feeling knowing that I am going to the "land of Elkind" and won't be seeing his crazy smile and antics...
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Joe E was in lust with, if not love, with Farrah, as was my husband, Porno Dan.

J, should I now go and do the same with the word 'new'?

I just don't think those who decided to pay per click instead of per join or those who figured out how to transfer video over the internet are as important to the world as we in this industry like to tell ourselves.

no offense, CJ but just because you weren't innovating doesn't mean the rest of us weren't.
You, appearently, didn't have the view some of us had.

Hey girl

OK - I have finally gotten my head around the fact that an old mate has passed from us, and I thought I would come back to this thread and touch base again

I gotta say that in just a little way you are sounding a little jaded.... hmm. just maybe???

You said this just before "lets not give ourselves so much credit for doing what any idiot could have done! ". You are so right, any idiot could have done what has been done in our industry. The fact is though, most idiots wouldn't have done what we did because of the backlash form our communities that we faced. I wont cite all the cases of people in our industry being crushed because of what they do, so I will use my own life as an example. When that article came out in our home town in the major press, all my neighbours in my gated community went on the offensive. To such a point that I eventually had to remove my family to the other side of the world. Maybe if you think about it, you have to be an idiot to do what we do.

But lets get back to the point of this post. Joe E. He was an indelible character within this industry, and he had the ability to touch people in a way that was just so special to him.Was he a god? No. Was he a pioneer? Probably not. Was he the best thing since sliced bread even? I don't think so. But was he a character worthy of remembering fondly to those he touched. Absolutely.

If you want to start a Joe E bashing thread, be my guest. But as I see things, three of the local boys back home screwed me over big time and you know what. I would have a beer with them any day (of course I wouldn't do biz with them again). And the reason I would have that beer with them is because at the end of the day, we all belong to this klan of idiots.

Props to you Joe E :thumbsup

And a special hug to you CJ

Good reads in this thread. Joe E was a legend, no doubt about it. He may have went down on his own accord, but he went down fighting and most likely still is to this day.

amen to that :thumbsup

A little jaded? :winkwink:

sup mate..... hit me up as soon as you get some time.. [email protected] Peace, BT