i have nothing to add to the argument here, other than to say that i have hundreds of trades across hundreds of domains at thunderball to manage most of my link trades, and i see no other service like it.

I just thought this. My wife sometimes does bits on the PC and has a few sites etc.

Fuck am I signing up there to then get a ton of abuse and be labelled a cheater if my wife decides to sign up as well.

Some people go right over the fucking top with this cheater shit.

I didn't even know bout ThunderBall but after this thread I'm going to look at it. the only issue I'm having is that I hire people all the time to work on my shit. I own a program and get very busy . what if one of those people have or decide to open a account after working on mine. will I have the account closed after having all that work done and money out of pocket for someone to do it. It doesn't seem that Mr Bond is easy to talk to when it comes to these issues . I understand his point of view on this and that its free but as an outsider looking in it seems like someone lost a good account because they outsourced their work ... that just sucks

That's what I'm talking about .. I don't want to open account and do tons of work just to have it closed because this guy can't listen to reason ... he seems a bit over the top with the cheater thing. I've had easier times getting domains taken off the Spamhaus list .. and you know how those fuckers are ..lol

I am giving it a miss. I am not paying for work to be done by outsourced guys or my wife does some stuff and then I end up on the banned page.

It's Very Simple... Many have done it....

They ask me on ICQ to transfer domain(s)...
I verify they have control over the domain...
and the domain(s) is/are transferred....

Happens every week.


Actually I can see how this is ALL My Fault

I do my fuckin work

I don't kiss ass with forum moderators

I don't spend a significant portion of my time running my mouth in the forums getting to know or care about people.




I do my fuckin Work... That's it.... I don't BS with political Shit.


I am on ICQ all the time and help everyone who uses TBN(thunder-ball)... ASK ANYONE WHO USES IT. Alicia answers emails as quickly as she can.


We Do Our Fucking Work...
We Don't Sit Around Playing Politics in the Fourms

If that's some kind of fault on our part.... then I guess we are at fault.....

....NOT!


Bond

So Alicia answers your emails? Doesnt that prove that two people access your account?

I am reporting you to the Interweb police for cheating. Two people are not allowed to work on the same account.

Blue Player
MikeVega



Then Just use 1 Account. If you need somone else to work on your domains.... you transfer the domains to them. It's Very Simple.

It's for Your Own Protection against Cheaters who would use the reasons you give as Excuses to cheat.


For years People go to the trouble of setting up a link trade... only to get dicked over by some ass who says... Oh... I sold that domain, Oh... that's my brothers account... or any number of excuses to say that it was not they that dicked you over.


YES... the system is SCARY.... but only for those who don't understand it... or those who realize it is the end if their Scamming/Cheating Days.


Bond

Blue Player
MikeVega



Then Just use 1 Account. If you need somone else to work on your domains.... you transfer the domains to them. It's Very Simple.

It's for Your Own Protection against Cheaters who would use the reasons you give as Excuses to cheat.


For years People go to the trouble of setting up a link trade... only to get dicked over by some ass who says... Oh... I sold that domain, Oh... that's my brothers account... or any number of excuses to say that it was not they that dicked you over.


YES... the system is SCARY.... but only for those who don't understand it... or those who realize it is the end if their Scamming/Cheating Days.


Bond

..............

Funny.... but read below... I was trying to reply for like 10 minutes wile GFY choked.

Alicia has her own account on the system... we would NEVER be using the SAME Computer.


The Sad Fact of the matter is (and the main problem).

Out of the amount of people that would say their wife/partner works with them...

More are Cheaters... Than are Not.



And as I mention above.... all you have to do is transfer domains when necessary.

Would you rather do that.... or get dicked over on trades when I allow somone to say... "It wasn't Me.... it was my Partner" ?

Bond

So I have to transfer domains back and forth as I work on it and then my guys work on it etc?

What's with the CAPS .. I understand that you have to deal with cheaters all the time and have to draw the line but I'm just saying in this case it looks like you could be wrong and that could happen to me. There's no need to YELL at me. your service seems interesting but I hire a lot of people and most are part time and don't always last long. I don't want to transfer domains back and forth . I want to change the login and move on. Maybe the service just isn't for me and thats cool. a lot of people seem to like it and it seems to be making you a living. You just seem very stressed out .. I feel kinda bad for ya. get out a little. maybe a little less work.

Just use the same account.

Have you even been in the system???

Just Asking... because if you have.... you know it only takes Minutes to do things.... it's not like you need a whole STAFF to work the account.

All you have to do is change the password on the login. You don't need to make another account and transfer all the domains (which by the way would get you flagged for examination)

Not Yelling... just couldn't find a way to quote you both at the same time that would be clear.

so is Alicia real or a program? :)

I understand that but what I'm concerned about is what if i hire a person to work on my account and then they open an account for themselves or already have one and know your system well ( a reason for me to hire them to work mine) now their account will have nothing to do with mine but could get mine locked because you would think that person or myself have two accounts. just like what happen today.

I can't take that chance. that would stop me fro using your service and from what i hear it seems to be a good service. these two people wouldn't be going nuts to get their accounts back if it didn't work well for them. Plus you say you don't go on the boards and kinda put us down for using the boards. I've gotten a lot of affiliates from the boards and branded both my programs using the boards (Satancash.com and Mobbucks.com ) If you know how to use the boards it can be a great tool. you should try it or hire someone to market on the boards . How do you make money off your service anyway? ( I haven't really looked at it yet )

And that's the reason this Thread is TOTALLY OFF THE HOOK.


The majority of people in this thread Have never even Used TBN....!!!

You make assumptions about how it works.. post them... and confuse subsequent readers who then think the system is ridiculous

(and I would not blame them considering the assumptions you and others have posted)


To answer your question... actually... several people have had multiple accounts and employees working on them... But they tell me in advance because they know the Rules.

I make a note on the account that they are good to go.

Your loooking at it from a sponsor point of view(same account on multiple IPs). The only time you will have a problem at TBN is when you have Multiple accounts on the same computer.... or you don't let me or Alicia know in advance.


PLEASE Do not Post - Your Assumptions About the System


Bond

It's just a ploy to tell them your secrets so the cheaters can cheat the system :) Don't even respond anymore... it's just drama and a good system. Nice to get e-mails reminding you that someone is fucking you over. Wish linkex would do that.

Yo Check it...

I can't continue to argue assumption after assumption and please people who have never even Seen or Used Thunder-Ball.net.

I can say this:

In 7 Months TBN has out run all other trade systems (actually it exceeded them in the first 2 months.. and now after 7 months it DOMINATES). So as not to get personal I will not name them but here are some numbers:

TBN Has:

7,477 Domains in the Trade System
28,944 Ranked Pages
and 93,073 Pages in 151 Categories

Pretty much... any kind of trade you seek... you will find there.

LinkEX can turn your site into a link-farm in less than 6 hours (use that if you want to).

TBN Also has 867,686 Domains in it's tracking system for the WhoIS Function that will be released soon. This function will tell you the IP and noted history of a domains and IP Allocations.


This is THEEE FIRST Person to get Banned and Complain about it. I am the only one who can ban someone and after seeing the history of this particular account I banned him for excessive dropping of links (AKA Dicking People over).

You do not Automatically get banned... I check accounts to see if they have been using them to dick people over.... Indeed this account had been dicking people over... So I Fucking Baned Him.


PLEASE... Do Not Post Negative Comments about your ASSUMPTIONS about a system you have never even used.


If You Don't Want to use it.... Don't Use it...!!!

But I think You will find it a most useful tool



Bond

I will probably use it over the next few days.

So your theory is that leroytrolley and pixiepromo are the same person, that this same person uses one account for shit trades and the other for good trades and that this one person went through the trouble of registering separate domains with separate registration info just to scam your system?

Are you fucking retarded?

I'm not assuming .. I"m asking because i don't know. I'm interested in your service but had questions based on this thread. its a double edge . the thread will get you lots of new people that didn't know about your service but you'll also have to answer a few questions and deal with a few assumptions . all you had to say after my first post was "tell me in advance " and I would have said thanks and opened an account.

Now that i know I just have to tell you if I'm going to have someone else working on it I'll open an account and take a look. I wasn't going to bother before knowing if i could do that.

Thanks for your help .. even if it was like pulling teeth. :)

No offense but, there are as many legitimate reasons for shit going wrong as there are illegitimate reasons, and I think in this particular situation, pixie and leroy deserve a second chance. Do you REALLY think someone would go through all this trouble and fuss just to cheat the system? C'mon...

[QUOTE=leroytrolley;12824262]I just got banned from thunder-ball.

I have my own account, but I have also been doing some work for somebody else.

Their script has noticed the same I.P. address on the same account, and banned both accounts.

I have contacted them via ICQ, but they wont listen to a word of it. They insist that I was being two people using ICQ to convince him that we were two seperate people.

Hi!

If you don't does nothing wrong and help one of your friends... i'm sure you can to share the whois from your domains vs your friend domains public whois. To be honest,, i never had any problem with thunder-ball, there are only honest people. The trades through thunder inserted by hand are online sience from when i sign-up there. Never seen my links offline at other sites.. Thunder ball is an place where honest people exchange links and do biz togethers.
The thunder-ball rules are clear: No more accounts for the same owners - the single way to detect the people with more accounts is the IP. I'm really sory to hear that, you are in my link exchange partner list, i hope to see you soon back!

I had an issue before with my account and he went out of his way to fix it for me through ICQ. I think what set him off is the fact that the guy has 7 people who shitlisted him. So to say it's a good account isn't accurate. Give his system a look, it's been real helpful to a lot of people.

That is the infamous SMVCash. Run a search on GFY and it's insane the scams this guy has pulled. He's ripped off multiple designers and content people. Glad you caught him.

Check again moron.... people do that to SCAM OTHER PEOPLE....

NOT My System Fool... My System Catches them...

I have 46 domain all on different IPs and all in different names. It's Easy to do.

People do that to scam other people, and you've done it on 46 domains? :eek7

They would be cheating other people. The System Catches them... but some think they can slip by.

It's late and I should have been more clear.... my point was... that it is easy to setup a bunch of domains with different names and IPs. I have them so when peopel trade with me they actually get benefit... Multiple exchanges with domains on the Same IP are not worth much.

I was responding to him calling me "Are you fucking retarded?" for thinking that trolly set this whole thing up.. just to scam TBN... Now that assumption is Truly Fuckin retarded.

I know it's easy to do, it was just a rather funny post :)

Still, the different phone numbers are a different matter, since they're verifiable and scammers rarely go through the trouble of setting up working phone numbers for different domains.

As you can see... this is the Exact reason for what may seem like overly strict rules.

I'm sure I speak for all of when I say We Are Sick of Cheaters

There is Absolutely NOTHING to be afraid of at TBN Unless your A Cheater/Scammer

As for "the infamous SMVCash".... You Will see him listed on TBN.... along with his Shit list rating which from what I gather will be quite high.

TBN Will tell you of these people... Even if they don't signup... The Spider Finds You.... There is No Escape.

Bond

Her, not him.

And yes, your assumption that leroytrolley set this whole thing up just to scam TBN is truly fuckin' retarded. At least we agree on that.

Now that I remember..... Trolly actually had an account on the OLD system I had about 2 years ago... He dropped all his links then too.

That one was not open to the public... but people were asking me to sell it to them constatnly. So... Finally I made a public version.

My point is... he has not changed....

And my point is that you're fucking retarded.

how does linkEx would do your site linkfarm in 6 hours? don't get it. i think i have an acct on thunderball but never use it dunno why maybe too much in my plate i forgotten the site.. im loking for a system which i could add trades and the sytem will pull down the links to other sites if it never finds it.. linkEx is good i used it with cron to pull/inactivate trades that pulling my links. although its kinda tiring installing it on a network of sites EACH. do i need to install thunderball in my server or its something to include on my page a script or something like include? i will check TBN again..

is it possible if i have someone logging on my acct? another computer/from other place (my partner)? or its a banable offense as well as using 2 computers in my house just to access TBN? i hope thats fine..

Incorrect.

Incorrect again. THese domains have nothing to do with me.

I have been on peoples LinkEx sites that allow you to add as many links as you want with the Same 1 Fucking Recip on your site. I setup like 10 links to my 1 on one guys site (but it was a friend of mine... I knew him I was just fucking with him to show him the problem)

NO installation.... Optional Include file compatable with ANYTHING that can pull a URL. PHP, ASP, etc


I can't open up the floodgates to scammers to test here..... What I can say is that duplicate usage gets automatically Flagged. I maually check the accounts and if the accounts look shitty.... They Get Banned

If you need special arrangements.. all you need to is as... which MANY people have on many occasions.


The System is VERY simple... only this thread has caused so many questions



Bond

Read the POST Moron.... I was talking about "Infamous Cheater mySpace Hotty"

Unless thats you??

Yes your right. My apologise.

What is that with dropping links = cheating.

Just as with traffic trades when trade goes down it goes down. Every self respecting trader has a script that keep track on there trades. Sometimes things just happens.

When i look to the trades on my sites, most of them are set by my partner traders. Only in 10% of the cases i find contact info. How can I contact them to say that I take my site down or even don't want to trade with them anymore because of conflict of sponsor. And what do you think of database blown up. How much of you guys have a back up of there trades?

Simple drop the trades, there trade script supposed to see it within 24 hours and if not stop living in the year 1995 and take a good trade script and spend a view dollars.

It amazes me that anyone would even consider using this service now. The money I do still make from porn I'd rather not lose and as with all of my business matters I won't work with any company or individual who cannot act in a professional manner. Hence I'll no longer consider using this system. A shame as I was looking at a big update to one of my older sites and it looked promising.

But then that's adult all over. People will continue to work with a service or person that cannot act in any kind of professional manner at all, then cry when they get screwed over. The best thing about GFY is it shows those with half a clue who not to work with as seems to be the case with this thread.

Who the fuck is James Bond? Not very good pr for thunderball...

lol
Thunder-ball don't need an good page rank..it's very popular and all services are free, is one of the best trade sistem! Do you will can to build other more better?!

public relations :)

yay thanks mr bond. i will check TBN later on if i have more question i will hit you up :) hope thats fine..

a few facts from a guy sat on a fence (not a sheep)
 

Heres my experience of Thunder-ball, whether its relevant or not, its fact.Also what id imagine a common average reflection. Now as for tools and links I use Kaktusans Link Organiser as its the best thing out there for knowing all about your trades and definately the best deterrent to shady bastards who from the moment they connect with you have no intentions but to steal your traffic,that said when I found thunder-ball I found it to be similar in its ways but rather than wait for "honest" people to use your form TBN kinda gave you the "honest " people in a big crowd for the taking/dealing efficiently and at what turns out to be.. the quickest "honest" link collecting I am yet to find in the business.I assume Mr Bond intended on a place to be like a meeting of like minds who have like us all..been cheated once or twice by cheeky naive bastards.So I got the hang of how it works with some help from Mr Bond because like he says hes there to help,even if it is with the odd "FUCK" in his communication...(which I think I can forgive swearing as i dont throw stones in this glass house) and built up a good flow of "honest" links with "honest" people from the huge selection of well categorized trades on offer. Now regarding the shitlist..well ive had reservations on how accurately reflective it is of a person,as we all know thereare those out there who will shitlist you or post you in a forum for petulant things such as choosing to not work with them or agree with them even, hence im shitlisted 4 times myself ...lol.. the price of an opinion it seems. But I also have like 50 people in TBN who do work with me who know better..which is when the balance/ratio of the shitlist system becomes apparent. When i went to view the banned list it was interesting to see the names. Id say half of them didnt suprise me as they were the type you skipped when choosing from the menu,there was also 2 names on there I trade with and have had no problems in links or communications with personally, plus another 2 names I trade with who I was reserving judgement on for the following reasons...1 because he hadnt replied to my mails regarding problems verifying a link (dont we all hate no reply mails in this biz) and 2nd because out of 50 people she was the only one that refused to be added as a friend,struck me as odd as I thought the system was set up for this myself hence the whole TBN Profile thing. And now we have a huge thread of these 2 people debating with Mr Bond Rules that alledgedly have been broken. Certainly getting a bit heated :error.....I could of got 20 hardlinks at TBN in the time ive spent reading this .....to conclude id say Kaktusans LO kicks ass but Mr Bonds TBN is pretty "FUCKING" good :pimp