This is where I disagree with You: Riddler


You expect me to be professional... with someone who is Totally UNprofessional.

Someone who breaks Rules, Dicks People Over, and is by Definition... A Cheater.

He is not my client... He is not my customer...

He is a Cheater and will be treated as Such.



Bond

all dont you see i told him he was wrong also? Plus if you anwserd my friends request from 2 days you would see we not same person :winkwink:

You said, not proved, and only late in the thread. How exactly were we supposed to know the accounts were made from the same IP and PC before you posted that in the thread?

Because, up until now, it looked *extremely* likely that they were indeed different people - with different easy-to-check addresses, phone numbers and all.

I think Mr Bond has now accepted I am not the same person as leroytrolley - if he checks my thunderball profile he will see I don't drop trades, I answer people's e mails & have lots of friends on my thunderball profile & run a professional business

bbwpixie

Logging details of signups is considered advanced these days? :eek7

No Doubt :winkwink:


And if you review the thread... you can now clearly see where my statements Add UP... and his Do NOT.


Enough for one day... I must eat

Bond

It's called running a business :2 cents:

Not Really... but Quite Handy in arguments such as this.

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Take it as its worth not my battle not my problem. Dude offers a free service, has rules and he feels they have been broken and he banned them aint much more me or you can do you know.

No... it's calld a difference of opinion.... You can run yours how you like

I'm going to treat Cheaters Like SHIT.


Bond

Libertine it is obvious I am not leroytrolley and that by outsourcing work to him I have lost my thunderball account which consisted of my sites with no connection to any of leroytrolley's sites so ultimately I am the one that has lost out but if Mr Bond wishes to run his business like that it is his prerogative.

bbwpixie

Actually, at the moment I don't know whose statements add up, and whose don't. After all, bbwpixie seems to be willing to have it verified that there are indeed two different people involved.

Did the two accounts sign up with the same IP? (you mentioned you look at more than just IP - many systems of identifying computers based on things other than IP can cause false positives)

Don't Fuck With Bond


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Ironically I think you'll find that Bond is English!

bbwpixie

bbwpixie Stated: I registered the pixiepromo account from my own PC

I built the ID System My Self (I'm an eComm programmer of 8 years)... The ID system has Never Been Wrong(Tested MANY Times). Both Accounts were made using the same machine/computer.



But... For Conversations sake... Let's assume they were not.

- It was made quite clear... that no one person may have/handle/create more than 1 account.
- Amnesty was granted in March


The: leroytrolley account constantly pissed people off by dropping links. The leroytrolley account is Expendable... (or so he thought until today). :winkwink:


Bond

Mr Bond the issue I have is that your site states "no multiple accounts" - I had one account containing my sites. If you are saying my pixiepromo account breached the rules by allowing leroytrolley to "handle" my account by requesting links this is not what your rules say & a great deal of grunt work is done in the adult business is done by outsourcing. My pixiepromo account with sites registered with my details which you can easily check have not pissed off anybody so why am I banned?

bbwpixie

I'm a programmer as well, and the only way I know of uniquely identifying remote machines with virtually no chance of mistakes (unless you're dealing with rather advanced hackers) is by exploiting clock skews.

Since I doubt that is what you are doing, there is a distinct possibility that your system is capable of making mistakes - unless, of course, you are dealing with someone who is not just a cheater, but a bad one as well. In that case, ID-ing becomes rather easy. (things like IP and cookies or other files would then easily give conclusive evidence)

From what I've seen in this thread, and looking at your site, the bit about "handling" isn't quite as clear. Of course, it could be that you make that clear in your members' area, or have made it clear in emails. And, of course, you have the right to ban anyone from your program, even with only a suspicion of cheating.

Looking at both bbwpixie and leroytrolley, though, it just seems like there are really two different people involved here.Even that could be untrue, naturally, but if it's not, it seems rather harsh that bbwpixie would lose the account for the actions of an employee.

The word "Difinitively" caught my attention.

Maybe you should work for law enforcement if you've got this process down
to where you can say that.

Thunder-Ball has done nothing but help me. So, since Mr Bond is here I'd like to say, "Thanks dude!"

What I never get is, why do people think they have a "right" to use a service that isn't their own. You got banned, deal with it.

You'll get over it.

i have nothing to add to the argument here, other than to say that i have hundreds of trades across hundreds of domains at thunderball to manage most of my link trades, and i see no other service like it.

I just thought this. My wife sometimes does bits on the PC and has a few sites etc.

Fuck am I signing up there to then get a ton of abuse and be labelled a cheater if my wife decides to sign up as well.

Some people go right over the fucking top with this cheater shit.

I didn't even know bout ThunderBall but after this thread I'm going to look at it. the only issue I'm having is that I hire people all the time to work on my shit. I own a program and get very busy . what if one of those people have or decide to open a account after working on mine. will I have the account closed after having all that work done and money out of pocket for someone to do it. It doesn't seem that Mr Bond is easy to talk to when it comes to these issues . I understand his point of view on this and that its free but as an outsider looking in it seems like someone lost a good account because they outsourced their work ... that just sucks

That's what I'm talking about .. I don't want to open account and do tons of work just to have it closed because this guy can't listen to reason ... he seems a bit over the top with the cheater thing. I've had easier times getting domains taken off the Spamhaus list .. and you know how those fuckers are ..lol

I am giving it a miss. I am not paying for work to be done by outsourced guys or my wife does some stuff and then I end up on the banned page.

It's Very Simple... Many have done it....

They ask me on ICQ to transfer domain(s)...
I verify they have control over the domain...
and the domain(s) is/are transferred....

Happens every week.


Actually I can see how this is ALL My Fault

I do my fuckin work

I don't kiss ass with forum moderators

I don't spend a significant portion of my time running my mouth in the forums getting to know or care about people.




I do my fuckin Work... That's it.... I don't BS with political Shit.


I am on ICQ all the time and help everyone who uses TBN(thunder-ball)... ASK ANYONE WHO USES IT. Alicia answers emails as quickly as she can.


We Do Our Fucking Work...
We Don't Sit Around Playing Politics in the Fourms

If that's some kind of fault on our part.... then I guess we are at fault.....

....NOT!


Bond

So Alicia answers your emails? Doesnt that prove that two people access your account?

I am reporting you to the Interweb police for cheating. Two people are not allowed to work on the same account.

Blue Player
MikeVega



Then Just use 1 Account. If you need somone else to work on your domains.... you transfer the domains to them. It's Very Simple.

It's for Your Own Protection against Cheaters who would use the reasons you give as Excuses to cheat.


For years People go to the trouble of setting up a link trade... only to get dicked over by some ass who says... Oh... I sold that domain, Oh... that's my brothers account... or any number of excuses to say that it was not they that dicked you over.


YES... the system is SCARY.... but only for those who don't understand it... or those who realize it is the end if their Scamming/Cheating Days.


Bond

Blue Player
MikeVega



Then Just use 1 Account. If you need somone else to work on your domains.... you transfer the domains to them. It's Very Simple.

It's for Your Own Protection against Cheaters who would use the reasons you give as Excuses to cheat.


For years People go to the trouble of setting up a link trade... only to get dicked over by some ass who says... Oh... I sold that domain, Oh... that's my brothers account... or any number of excuses to say that it was not they that dicked you over.


YES... the system is SCARY.... but only for those who don't understand it... or those who realize it is the end if their Scamming/Cheating Days.


Bond

..............

Funny.... but read below... I was trying to reply for like 10 minutes wile GFY choked.

Alicia has her own account on the system... we would NEVER be using the SAME Computer.


The Sad Fact of the matter is (and the main problem).

Out of the amount of people that would say their wife/partner works with them...

More are Cheaters... Than are Not.



And as I mention above.... all you have to do is transfer domains when necessary.

Would you rather do that.... or get dicked over on trades when I allow somone to say... "It wasn't Me.... it was my Partner" ?

Bond

So I have to transfer domains back and forth as I work on it and then my guys work on it etc?

What's with the CAPS .. I understand that you have to deal with cheaters all the time and have to draw the line but I'm just saying in this case it looks like you could be wrong and that could happen to me. There's no need to YELL at me. your service seems interesting but I hire a lot of people and most are part time and don't always last long. I don't want to transfer domains back and forth . I want to change the login and move on. Maybe the service just isn't for me and thats cool. a lot of people seem to like it and it seems to be making you a living. You just seem very stressed out .. I feel kinda bad for ya. get out a little. maybe a little less work.

Just use the same account.

Have you even been in the system???

Just Asking... because if you have.... you know it only takes Minutes to do things.... it's not like you need a whole STAFF to work the account.

All you have to do is change the password on the login. You don't need to make another account and transfer all the domains (which by the way would get you flagged for examination)

Not Yelling... just couldn't find a way to quote you both at the same time that would be clear.

so is Alicia real or a program? :)

I understand that but what I'm concerned about is what if i hire a person to work on my account and then they open an account for themselves or already have one and know your system well ( a reason for me to hire them to work mine) now their account will have nothing to do with mine but could get mine locked because you would think that person or myself have two accounts. just like what happen today.

I can't take that chance. that would stop me fro using your service and from what i hear it seems to be a good service. these two people wouldn't be going nuts to get their accounts back if it didn't work well for them. Plus you say you don't go on the boards and kinda put us down for using the boards. I've gotten a lot of affiliates from the boards and branded both my programs using the boards (Satancash.com and Mobbucks.com ) If you know how to use the boards it can be a great tool. you should try it or hire someone to market on the boards . How do you make money off your service anyway? ( I haven't really looked at it yet )

And that's the reason this Thread is TOTALLY OFF THE HOOK.


The majority of people in this thread Have never even Used TBN....!!!

You make assumptions about how it works.. post them... and confuse subsequent readers who then think the system is ridiculous

(and I would not blame them considering the assumptions you and others have posted)


To answer your question... actually... several people have had multiple accounts and employees working on them... But they tell me in advance because they know the Rules.

I make a note on the account that they are good to go.

Your loooking at it from a sponsor point of view(same account on multiple IPs). The only time you will have a problem at TBN is when you have Multiple accounts on the same computer.... or you don't let me or Alicia know in advance.


PLEASE Do not Post - Your Assumptions About the System


Bond

It's just a ploy to tell them your secrets so the cheaters can cheat the system :) Don't even respond anymore... it's just drama and a good system. Nice to get e-mails reminding you that someone is fucking you over. Wish linkex would do that.