yes it is a long thread. most of it is just people attacking me.

by the way, thats a good excuse for not wanting to comment on it.
when you plan on "really" getting serious about content theft, let me know.

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. what the fuck kinda attitude is that? do you know what my day is like? do you run a program by yourself? jesus, i was gonna take a look when i have time, now ......... fuck it. i don't need anyone antagonizing me to jump in their threads and get their backs. gees man, that was uncalled for.

I don't want you to get my back in that thread. Im not here for that bs. If I was, why would I use a generic nic? I couldn't care less about how many people hate my nic.

Now, lets get back to the important stuff.

Illegal and unethical bullshit is swallowing this industry.

Dude, I just think people don't care anymore.

i agree with you. they care about themselves. thats a fact.

people can think all they want that content theft wont devalue the entire industry until the fulcrum sways the thiefs above the ones who made the content. at that point it will be too late. something like this is like cancer and must be stopped before it spreads to far. there comes a point where the cancer will just win no matter what the treatment is. it must be killed at this level of the game. i agree with you that many dont care or aren't smart enough to see what's coming.

I'm seeing a FLING ad on there. :(

In my opinion, the thread I posted, is mighty fine example, of the level it has gotten to. Forget torrent sites or forums hosted in some remote part of the world. Its just a shame at what has become acceptable.

You got to write the article man maybe that will be the spark that wakes people the fuck up.

Well outing sponsors like that might be a good start:2 cents:

In regards to companies like Fleshlight, and Fling, and other non-porn companies advertising on torrent/pirate sites, I'm afraid that hoping, praying, asking, and posturing will do no good.

As it has been stated many times before, these are companies that cannot have their content stolen by a torrent site. You cannot pirate a super-ribbed Pink Lady. As far as they are concerned it's another source of traffic and therefore another source of customers. I'm always shocked at these contradicting messages that I see on this board... "it's all about business, so make that money" vs. "let's try not to be money grabbing flesh peddlers, and put your morals at the forefront". It appears that the former is winning out over the latter, and dating/cams/product companies have nothing to wake up to except another pile of cash.

When we chip away all the bullshit, the remaining moral of every story (at least so far) is that "money talks". If you want to produce change, if you want to send a message, if you want to get something done, then you create a financial impact. Stop promoting these people who advertise and fund torrent/pirate sites. Take money out of their pockets. Show them that it isn't fiscally viable to have their cake and eat it too. I'm quite sure, though, this will never happen because to make a large enough dent would require a unifying force. It would require a sum total of individual sacrifices, and I'm quite skeptical that many would be willing to sacrifice some of their income for a cause. Certainly not just affiliates, paysite owners as well.

A question for you, Airek... do you offer upsells in your paysites? Does one of them happen to be Fleshlight, or Fling, or AFF, or any other company that has been shown to repeatedly and consistently fund torrent/piracy sites by advertising on them? If so, would you be willing to cease offering them as an upsell, even if you could not find a suitable alternative and lose that chunk of income altogether? Would you do this, not only knowing you'd lose money, but also knowing that you may alienate these people since I'm sure you have some personal contact with them? And would you urge your friends and fellow paysite owners to do the same, ask them to make the same sacrifices? These companies are, after all, profiting from you and your compatrots twice over... the content in your site, and the content stolen from it, while only paying you once.

This is purely a rhetorical question that you don't need to answer, but one that I propose for the sake of furthering the discussion.

And people on this board do give a shit about this. The vocal few are usually berated, or ignored, or chastised for beating a dead horse. "Oh look, it's Will76 again, booooring." It always becomes more provacative and interesting when it lands on your doorstep :2 cents:

Content Conspiracies Continue

fantastic 51!

fantastic 51 !!

lol, you just described the beginnings of what became a pretty big money making machine online... not mentioning any names but their URL looks somewhat like www.**.com..

;)

The whole idea Bt's are just like TGP's is not so. When a bt has a full rip of your whole site there is nothing to sell. TGP's and MGP's are teasers, giving complete episodes for free doesnt convert.It makes them look for more free shit.We wont even get into the amount of people under 18 on these things. This isnt some new hot business model,people dont want to adopt. Its based on theft, if it was so up and up.They wouldnt be hiding in countries, that dont consider copy write laws.
The problem we have is, we have very few industry leaders.If someone who does well that doesnt make them a leader. Someone who takes action is a leader,that may not be popular. Sadly this we dont have and when they wake up it will be too late.

That's a good point...but a lot of us are mavericks by nature. Lone wolfs if you will that don't want a leader. Not saying that's good or bad, just the way it is. I've looked into every legal angle I could find and there is no stopping the guys in Sweden from stealing. And I agree this is not some cool new business model...it's stealing.

And my biggest fear is the U.S. government turning their attention to it. They could use those sites as an excuse to come after all of the legitimate sites. I know, I know...that doesn't make a lot of sense. But has ANYTHING the govt. has done made sense? Those sites are sitting out there giving away entire members areas for free. Every 12 year old with a computer is surfing it. When mom and dad find those vids downloaded on their kids computers do you think the kid is gonna tell WHERE he downloaded them? No.
But our watermarks are right there on the vids for the parents AND the authorities to see.

It's gonna nail all of us.

Trying to do this shit through lawyers isn't gonna work. I already tried. All I did was get charged $450 an hour for nothing.
I don't know any hackers. But I'm starting to think the idea of shutting them down like that would make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. As would meeting some of these guys and beating the living hell out of them.
A more productive idea I saw in this thread was getting those sites OFF of the search engines.

I don't know how to do that. But it does seem to me that a lot of us try REALLY hard to "work" the search engines and end up on the second page of a search for our own websites....because the first page, starting with the number one spot is nothing but bit torrent sites with stolen content.

I agree with the idea that if that can be stopped, then those sites would become nothing more than a minor annoyance.

:/............

Very few people understand the seriousness of these types of things until it happens to them. Well, actually it is happening to them every day, but they don't understand how bad it is until the see it with their own eyes happening to them. Sad, but true fact. Until they see it, everything else is just noise.


The bros will be glad to know you wont be hearing as much out of me for a while. My head hurts, i need a break and have a ton of work to do.

i am still not getting that. if someone will still again and again steal from you in real life and cops and nobody will help, what will you do? find him and kick his ass. so whats the problem with hacking torrent sites? i think on gfy are people who will contact you if they will know the right price ;)

What is really sad is, while it is your purpose to bring this site to the attention of those whose content may be there... You've probably only succeeded in providing the gfy surfers and others with another place to get lots more free porn..

This so-called, "industry" is made up of an unknown number of individuals that, for the most part, aren't the least bit concerned over what a few know to be important issues.

When you have the, professed, "leaders" in the adult business supporting these sites, it can only send the message that, "If the big boys help to keep these sites up, then it must not be a problem."

There is only one way to deal with these types of sites.. but even a full on attack would be a never ending process.. One down - another up..

you have some very valid points .. the only content owners that seem serious about not wanting their entire members area given away are few and far between.

but the "one down another up" theory doesnt wash.. we dont have blatant cp sites everywhere

The music industry and movie industry have the exact same problem and they aren't giving their shit away.. they tackled the problem with a multipronged approach.

#1 first and foremost is you have to offer the same content faster and higher quality. ( i.e. itunes is faster easier and higher quality than the torrent sites )

#2 prosecuting the thieves.

#3 prosecuting the downloaders.

the music industry is making a nice penny settling lawsuits from college kids downloading mp3's

Imagine how well that would work for users caught downling " NAUGHTY GRANNY ASS FUCK", being sued in court for downloading "50 cent" doesnt look so bad..

everyone has mp3's so its not such a big deal getting sued for downloading them , but not everyone wants their sexual preferences aired before a public court.

people will think twice before downloading stolen porn dvd rips , if they though they might get hauled into court with the list of porn they downloaded.

Those sites aren't the issue.. it's the stolen content.. and my point is that if you take one site down, there will be another one pop right back in its place.

And therein lies the difference... The music and movie industries are organized.. They have organizations established to tackle the problems, and get things done..

Adult, one the other hand, with few exceptions, has a few people that see the issue as important and create threads on a message forum... read by a few, reacted upon by less than those few, and vanishes to page 4 in short order..

Until there is unity in this business, which is unlikely to happen, it will remain that way..

wow, cool link. should be enough for today for me

i think you missed the point.. why isn't cp blatant. they can open a new site when one goes down.. just like with stolen content..


The difference is the billers wouldn't allow it , the hosts wouldnt allow it and the affiliates wouldnt allow it.. thats why cp sites aren't all over the place like stolen content sites are..

sites with stolen content , the owners don't care the processors dont care the hosts dont care etc.. thats the difference.

This is true, but I was keeping with the purpose if the thread... stolen content.


The more important difference is... cp sites are illegal in a criminal sense hence the reasons you state above..
where stolen content is illegal in the civil sense..

If cp was a civil offense you can bet there would be a lot more of that than stolen content floating around..

ditto.



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