OMFG, this post needs its own thread

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SQUIZZEL INVENTED TRADING SERVICES FOR LINKS

squizzely, you sure are good for a laugh sometimes

someone who has one good site and is an expert on everything

sound familiar? probably because at least one of these fools comes along every 3-4 months on gfy, touts their shit for a month or two, then crashes and burns shortly thereafter

ah so hes stickyfingers offspring?

why didnt someone fuckin say so?

clears up EVERYTHING

Sent you PM, check us out:)

LOL

SEO is a skill yes. Not every SEO wants to own and operate 100's of sites. Not every SEO wants the risk and responsibilities of owning and maintaining adult sites and publishing adult content. You SEO a site and build it out once, do it right the first time and it'll have good results for the long term. In order to make money you need to build out a lot of property, maintain it, host it, populate it with valuable content, and it ends up more of a web site business than actually SEO work. So if your specialty is SEO and you can make a couple hundred an hour optimizing others projects and moving on, without any over head, risk, etc, why not. Sure you can have your own stuff on the side, but honestly, anyone who thinks an SEO has nothing to gain by freelancing or working full time for a company as a key marketing personnel (with benefits and steady paycheck) is out of their minds. There are good and bad optimizers out there. The good are hard to find b/c they are particular about the work and clients they take on. Most good ones will analyze the site (code, goals, content) and decide if it's one they can help or not. It is very hands on, very labor intensive, and you get very involved in the web operations and business of your clients. Once the work is completed, believe it or not, the rest is out of the SEO's hands as well. Overwrites on site updates, infrastructure (code method) changes, dynamic elements, all of this comes into play. What most people don't realize is SEO comes into play during site development, including design, not as an afterthought. This is why it's in most web based companies best interest to retain someone with SEO skills in house, and they pay for it. While good optimization can result for the long term, growing means building , and an inhouse person keeps an eye on the best interest of marketing throughout development from initial to sustained. Believe it or not, these SEO's or "internet marketers" or "marketing directors" are paid well, can go home to their families and sleep without any worries about algorithm changes affecting their ability to pay bills or if their 100 sites are 2257 compliant or some shit.

To judge an SEO on their decisions on how they apply their skills is stupid. Judge them by the results from their work. :2 cents:

SEO don't waste time in keyboard fight. Only laborers do. :2 cents:

Show me a person who does SEO and I will show you a laborer.

You are soo fucking full of shit :1orglaugh

you have 200 domains ranking #1 for prime keywords and you still have to peddle your "blog seo optimization" services?

I seen your "seo'd' blogs - its total bunk.

greatest reply on this thread, in fact, that my case.

I suck a design, i suck at programming and my english isn't perfect, so I do hire copywritter to write some content, make the optimization and that all I do for personal projects. I really prefer to go from clients to clients at my day job and work on differents projects. I do SEO, SEM and SMO, with some success (one of my client, mainstream project in difficult niche, started from scratch in May will end up July with more than 250 000 unique a month, must admit 30-50k from PPC but still, I like to work on that prject even if this is not the greatest hourly rate ever seen, i rpefer to do stuff i like that make tons of cash and hate my job)

SE Spammers of the world unite.

I have a friend that's expert on this field....hit me up and we can arrange a monthly set up for you. :)

you guys are funny

Nicely said Cyndalie !
 

Few people consider SEO when creating their website(s) and get caught up with their designs as to consider the importance of SEO... whats more is that most never take the time as to learn how to get their sites indexed in a good position within the search engines and for some reason don't bother to read the guidelines of the search engines... Instead people use "fix all scripts" or get people just to tell them thats everything is just fine with their sites... and everyone is happy when their paid...

Look all, learn how to SEO for yourselves and stop being taken advantage by others...

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Create links from other sites to yours with your pre-selected keywords as the anchor text. Doing this regularly will get you where you need to go for the most part.

Of coarse there are many key factors aside from this but I have to say this is one of the most crucial pieces to improving your SERP rankings.

Other things that can help improve:

Links from higher ranking PR sites
Canonicalize your URL to have only one URL people can link to instead of 2.
Create unique titles for each and every page and include page specific keyword phrases that is readable to humans
Right a unique and compelling meta tag description for every page specifically describing the pages content.
Sitemap, xml format ? submit it to Google within the Google webmasters panel and update regularly.
Regularly produce keyword driven content pages
Make sure your correctly utilizing your robots.txt or robots Meta tag
Setup and regularly watch your traffic via Google analytics or another application.
GET MORE LINKS FROM AUTHORITY SITES


Sorry if this is too cut and dry, quote any area of question and I or someone with this area of expertise will explain. This is all very easy stuff but takes some time and effort.

if you use css: instead of having your css code in your html, place it in its out file withing the root direcory such ass style.css and create a meta tag telling the internet browser that it can find the css directions within that file.

try not to duplicate content; use full urls to link to other pages and urls so in the event someone copies your site, they will have broken links and images (disable hotlinking).

mod-rewrite for apache, create friendly URLS or even better:

create friendly urls that SE's can read such as: lia19.com/lia-is-cool.html

Do not submit your site to link dumps an PLEASE dont sign up for SEO services that charge $39.95 to guarantee #1 rankings in Google (even $300 or $3000, no one can guarantee that... even jebus!).

I really hope this helps and if you make the decision to take this upon yourself or hire someone, you now have a better scope of what really needs to be done. Again there are so many more things you can do to optimize for higher SERPS but there are also many was that could hurt you. I will try to find more time soon to list the bad ones or ones that can eventually hurt you.

Age Old Discussion...
 

Nice reply. Seriously...well thought out with thought towards a serious foundation for long term organic growth.

I will say however, isn't it interesting to see the age old squabble around here. Is SEO real or not. Why would an SEO do it for hire if he knew his shit. You guys crack me up.

Keep on asking those questions. We'll keep on making our bank for ourselves...and our clients. :1orglaugh

You have a point, SEO is a much mistreated acronym and far too many people get hurt and loose money.

If you're posting in forums and searching Google for SEO's, be VERY careful, I don't know how much I can stress this. In addition, don't fall for the company who claims to be the best in SEO but has a 0 PR with the excuse "We currently have a client that specializes in SEO and we do not compete with our clients", your asking to get butt raped...

BTW, thanks SEGuru.

When you guys are ready to dig deeper, here are some reliable resources:

Info:

http://www.seobook.com
http://www.mattcutts.com
http://www.searchenginewatch.com

Tools:

http://www.webceo.com
http://www.seoelite.com

Analytics:

http://www.google.com/analytics
http://www.visistat.com
http://www.omniture.com (site catalyst)
http://www.clicktracks.com
http://www.webceo.com

keyword tools:

http://www.wordtracker.com
http://www.webceo.com

cool tools:

http://tools.seochat.com
http://www.spyfu.com - AWESOME


I have a list of several hundred tools, i only use a handful and these are off the top of my head, I will try to update with the rest of the important or useful ones.

Ummm.... Aaron Wall from seobook.com, Chris hooley from mcpmedia.com, Adam from www.phoenixsynergy.com... just to name a few. Chris Hooley BTW, from MCP Media... how about this, Google student loan consolidation, why not check nextstudent.com's back links, try telling me he is not an F'ing SEO genius and last time I checked he sells his services. http://www.chris-hooley.com is his blog, you can learn a thing or two from him.

I am trying to not come off ass-hole-ish but that is a very blunt statement that is far from true. I will say the odds on finding a true seo expert that is for hire out of 100 is very slim.

I only work off of referrals - it always works for me.

please dont post in this thread again, i dont want people learning about SEO.

Today I had fun charging a lawyer for consulting at the rate of xxx an hour. :)

This is a funny thread to watch.

:pimp

lol, well you were right about it not being rocket science. I get calls and emails all the time from people who are willing to pay me thousands to give them the secret... Sorry guys, there isn't one.

BTW, I am not sure if someone said this before but there are two types of SEO: Off-Page & On-Page. On-Page is not considered as important by SE's for good reason, the people who own the site control what they want to SE's to think their site is. Off-Page factors are what heavily weighs in on SE's algorithms, here is an example:

On-Page scenario:
I stuff my site with all my keywords, submit my site to all the search engines, jam my meta tags and titles with my keywords... *I am telling the search engine what to think of me. In this example, let’s say I stuff my site with the Key phrase "really great porn".

Off-Page scenario:
1,000 websites, large and small, important, authority sites, and so on have links on their sites pointing to my website. They link to me with keywords that best describe what my site is about, for this example we'll continue to use the keyword "really great porn".

Now, when Google crawls the net and comes across these hundreds or even thousands of sites that have links to my site with anchor text like "really great porn", what do you think will happen when you go to Google and search the phrase "really great porn”?

Do you think the Off-page factor site will rank higher than the On-page factor site? I hope you do.

Damn I guess I kept going with the tutorial, oops.

BTW, submit to dmoz.org in the 2 best fitting categories. Don't submit to all the SE's, let them find you as they tend to scan directories like dmoz, yahoo directories, and soon google directories.

Regurgitated crap, all I see.

Wow... Give me an example of something that isn't regurgitated.

Damn, looks like everything on your 0-PR blog is regurgitated crap, oh well. It seems you and I are in the same boat, interested in giving people regurgitated crap.

I'll make sure to hold back before I try and help people again.

:)

What up Sean! Yeah, I can say that I don't miss the age old debate. Funny to see all the new seo "players!"

Funny how the game never changes...just the names.

That's funny niche25... PR7 here baby! Get Some!

Damn, PR7 is awesome!! I've got a corporate PR6 and it will take another year to get to 7, good frickin job man!

LOL this is gold. swing on cutt's nuts much?

yeah, like someone is going to give up gold strategies in public. what are you, a naive idiot? :1orglaugh

seo on gfy is a joke. whether it's threads like this or baddog peddling super seo hosting.

hahaha

lol, your such a cool guy!

Ouch, stabbed me right in the heart.. Ha! It's a hobby site with a true focus to our industry. My time is more valuable than spending it building backlinks to a website which already gets natural backlinks from its regurgitated crap.

Lets not question signatures, or lets.. Neither of your sites follow basic optimization rules.. what the hell is that? Rather, I really don't care..


And no reason to question my SE skills, other people are clearly more skilled at it. I offer my services (not normally in seo) because my other revenue streams are self maintained growing products. This allows me to focus more on something I enjoy doing rather than getting burnt out over and over from running affiliate programs and content plugins for so many years.

I left the player field years ago..

Hire a writer to do three, six hundred word, articles a day. (Hint hint, outsourcing)

Hire a writer to do three, six hundred word, articles a day. (Hint hint, outsourcing):2 cents:

SEO is rocket science. When you can get a page to rank number 1 for buy viagra by 301'ing a ton of links to a digg page you can tell me SEO is easy.

Generaly SEO is easy but understanding flaws in the algo and exploiting them without people catching on is hard.

Im sick of people saying SEO is easy. There are many hats that you can wear. Not all of them are white.

congratulations, you discovered that links can make you rank. Have a cookie. Seriously, stop acting like your some SEO guru because you have read a few SEO articles. Clue up.

Man you rattle easy, good for you! Keep making yourself feel better trying to make fun of my post, I know you probably need that. :thumbsup

Here is a free SEO online tool...
 

Here is a great free resource to see if your in the top 50 locations within the main search engines and directories... Are you found within the top 50 ???

http://www.mikes-marketing-tools.com/ranking-reports/

Happy SEOing... ^^

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Agreed, while "white hat" isn't really rocket science, the grey, blue and black ones are very technical and require at least some good php knowledge...being a good coder (or knowing one, hehe) is absolutely necessary.

So I wonder if all this wisdom, which has been so generously expounded upon in this thread has helped or hindered the original poster?

Did he get what he come for? Or has all this craziness succeeded in scaring someone away from the benefits of organic placement?

Interesting thread twist.