Okay there Mr. Fake Nick. I'll go head to head to you on this stupid stuff.

I've read a ton about this subject, including my recent favorite - "Debunking the 9/11 Myth".

There are tens of thousands of cities across the country, and thousands of bases, posts, and military installations. There are only 365 days in the year. Do the fucking math here. No matter what day we were attacked, somewhere in the US there was some kind of training drills going on.

The Pentegon is the largest building in Washington DC. If you were aiming for it, I would guess it's pretty hard to miss.

Most planes, when they crash, crash onto dirt or small buildings - Not huge concrete structures. And the Pentagon isn't just a concrete building - it has rather thick concrete laws.

I can't comment about the bodies; I'm guessing dozens were killed who weren't even in the airplane so that explains why there was bodies and body parts found.

My fucking god; Any forth grader can answer this one.

The only footage of the first impact into the WTC was captured by firefirghers (to the best of my knowledge). They were fiming a training video not far from the WTC. The video footage you see of the plane hitting the second tower was because instantly dozens of newscasters and reporters took the airwaves.

Also... At even given time there must be a dozen tourists video taping the New Skyline (or LA). But I think video footage of the Pentagon would be pretty damn boring.

Next.

And the Kenneday administration once planned on blowing up a ship outside of Cuba to start a war with Cuba before the Bay of Pigs.

What's your point?

No, they are at Roswell.

I'm not a one of the "Cattle".

As I read "Debunking 9/11", I sat there and could argue every point the writer tried to make. I had to force myself to read this book because it was so damn silly.

I'm not saying that the 9/11 Comission report - which I've also read - is 100% fact. There are just too many things about that day that will forever be unkown. But to date no one of these books, or videos, or arguments has pointed out anything to me that cannot be explained.

You wanna know my point?

Bring it Mr. Fake Nick.

Our government, with all of it's faults, thinks of some pretty stupid ideas from time to time. However, saying that the Bush administration was not only able to think up of this idea and follow through on it... means that your not too bright.

If I remember correctly, there was a list circulating of all of the high level members of the Bush administration that had family that died in the WTC. I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but I also refuse to believe the Bush administration would be smart enough to pull this off, let alone sacrifice their own family members to do so...

I call your C.I.A.?
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Am I getting close?

Better yet - I'll ask the dumb questions and give you the answers.

Let's talk about how hot it was or wasn't in the WTC when the all the fuel set fire to the building? Being as no one was up there checking to see exactly how hot it was we'll never know.

But this kind of fuel doens't burn hot enough to take down a building? Great. Maybe - just maybe - it didn't. But I'm guessing the fact that a HUGE FUCKING AIRPLANE that CRASHED INTO THE BUILDING pretty much destroyed a fair percentage of the of the support the building had at that height. It is not possilbe that the fire combined with the HUGE FUCKING AIRPLANE THAT CRASHED INTO THE TOWERS didn't take down the building.

Well, I'm pretty sure that we've done a lot of testing on taking down tall buildings so someone should answer that. I mean, we fly airplanes into tall buildings all the time to test this, RIGHT?

Let's talk about how how the fire was. Aviatinon fuel burns at a certain temperture - we already know this. But how many dozens of extreme factors need to be figured in here?

What do I mean by "extreme factors"? Well, I'm gussing they know that aviation fuel burns at a certain temperture because they've set it on fire to test it. I mean, I'm sure they did this in a nice, well ventilated open space right? Big difference when you set it off with lots of shit that burns (desks, paper, wood, furniture, etc) in a tightly enclosed space (a building with a closed ventilation system) with a nice steady flow of oxygen created by four stories of one side of the building missing (from where the airplane came in).

Yeah ,that's secretly my father.

Oh shut up everyone knows who you are from your sig!

How many fake nicks have you got now huh?

Why don't we also talk about - what was it - WTC7? (Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm talking about the little discussed third building that fell that day.)

Your little videos say "There was no structual damage to this building".

Really?

How many tons of concrete fell when the two towers fell? Hundreds of millions of pounds of concrete? Thousands of pounds of concrete? I'm willing to take a gander here but if the two towers fell next to my house, I'm willing to bet my house would fall too - if it wasn't burried under the concrete that is.

I wonder if that entire building was physically moved off of it's foundation when those towers fell.

But noooooo.... This was all a cover up because there was some "top secret office there" someone wanted to destroy.

I don't have any fake nicks. My ICQ is listed below. You can gladly hit me up.

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Uh, are you on something? I only have one nick you jackass. A fake nick is accusing me of having a fake nick? Damn, the cunt factor on this site is at an all time high tonight...

Come to think of it, the first and only time I ever voted I voted for the guy that lost.

You know what? If you told me that 9/11 was nothing more than a cover up to hide a crime such as all of that gold that was stored there in the WTC... I would believe that before I believed Bush could pull this off.

I think this delusional fuck thinks I'm you. I wouldn't mind swapping jobs, though...

That is my view as well.

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The fact that you think I'm Sticky speaks volumes about your conspiracy theory. Try reading my past posts, and then his, you jizz stain, and then please step away from the computer before you drool all over the monitor and shock yourself...

getting back to this and out of TWINK rage from some(you know who) homelander!........

Structural damage yes lets talk for a few about the mysterious molten lava pools underneath the worlds trade center on 911 shall we??

Or arent you informed on that one?

Well, this is a new one.

However, I would imagine it's rather simple to explain.

Um, lots of concrete fell onto lots of other concrete. Yet still other stuff was on fire. (Note I'm trying I'm trying to dumb this down for you here.) Well, if you burry stuff that's on fire, continue to give it fuel (and oxygen from the subway station below it) sooner or later it's going to rather hot down there. In fact, there was hot spots for weeks after the towers fell.

Even though we've already been told (by some folks with tin hats on) that the fire wasn't hot enough to melt anything ( because these same tin foil hat people were up on the 98th floor with rectal thermometers taking the temperture.....).... I'm guessing it was just "plain hot enough" to melt all of the different types of metal that were down there?

OH, but wait.... It wans't hot enough to melt the metals down there? Why not? I'm guessing there was a vast amount of different materials in these buildings, everything from a-z... and some of it melted into hot pools of molten lava.

Or... maybe there was a volcano under NYC?

Or.... Maybe the aliens put the lava there.

Let's keep these utterly brilliant questions coming... Because I'd love for my fake nick to hit 12k posts before the end of the night.

Or let me ask another question.... Let's talk about how the plane in PA was shot down, because I love this one too!

I'm pretty sure that if orders were given for the plane to have been shot down it would have come over the plane's radio system - and would have been recorded by dozens of people. (I've heard that aviation buffs love to listen in on common messages.) Well, isn't there a recording of this? Did they kill all of them who had recordings of this?

I guess when the plane took off with four missiles and came back with three, it wasn't noticed missing. Or where all of those people in on it too? Or were they killed also?

And if these people were killed.... Who did the killing, and why haven't they come foward?

I still like the question about someone with little flying skill could have hit the Pentagon. I mean, it's a HUGE FUCKING BUIKLDING and pretty hard to miss.

I''ve never flown a plane, but yet in Flight Sim - which I've only played a handful of times - I can pretty much hit any building of any size.

Nine more to go until I hit 12k.

they are able to gauge the temperatures with a fair amount of accuracy just with the video they have of the day.

thats besides the point..the thing was like your screen in your window....you can poke a bunch of holes in it with a pencil or even punch a whole through it a few times with your hand....melt some of it....it isnt going to fall off...as it is being held up on about 600-1000 vectors....now extend that to 3d and it gets even stronger....then make it out of steel....good steel.

anyway...lets not gloss over the fact that the beams recovered were all in nice little sections....easily toted away...as it was all taken away without any investigation...we shall exclude that.

lets just forget alla bout 9/11 forget the massive riots that broke out when bush supposedly won the first election....forget his families history that stares at us...their long history of allegiance to foreign entities....lets forgive all others that do the same...just turn a blind eye

it is much easier..and you wont get into trouble that way.
dont bother to look at all the facts...dont press the issue when it doesnt add up....dont make a splash...dont stand out..lol

anyway this is all bs....i dont care what people believe anymore....i just think we need to be very careful...as the times they are a changin

dude..what i like is how top military buildings like the pentagon supposedly only have one camera angle..and its an outdated piece of shit from a 7 eleven or something.

hows that taste?
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or why 22 other videos have been taken away?

just questions you know....or why the light poles were not mangled..but rather they were just lying around close to where they had been anchored into the ground...youd think if a big ass plane hit a light pole the thing would be fucked up for one...and shot about 200 metres down the road


you know instead of lying on the ground besides where they came out...as if some tiny explosion cut the nuts and bolts and it just fell over from gravity

cause the lightpoles were in the only flight path possible if the guy the blame had flown it.


where the titanium engines?
does anyone even really remember the original story from the day?

watch old clips from that day...and then watch the story now.

some theorise that that plane was chock full of people...and that they had been put into that plane to dispose of them all...and got taken out with a huge bomb to leave no trace.....thats why that is about the only plane wreck that supposedly hit the ground that you cant find bodies or plane wrecakge in...it was all consumed in the air


i dont know about all that....i just know something doesnt add up

Your asking some great good questions - I'll give you that.

Do you really mean to tell me just by looking at video tape footage taking outside of the WTC towers that they can gauge what conditions took place inside? That's kind of funny because I could have sworn the book "debunking 9/11" said in one chapter that the temperture reached an unusually high amount, yet in the next chapter said that temperture was half the amount listed in the other chapter. (I tried to find this book in my collection because i found it rather funny and thought it help our discussions here, but I think I honestly through the book out because I was pissed I spend money on it.)

I've heard this discussion about the WTC towers being like a window screen. The problem is that the screen in my window isn't holding ANY of the weight above it - it's all being held up from the top of the screen door (or window frame). So if you poke a whole in the window screen it doesn't fall, beause it's being supported by the top.

I will admit the Bush "family connections" - which just so happen to involve oil - Are most interesting. And at the same time..... Our entire and only interest in the Middle East is..... about oil.

I think the tin foil hat people should concentrate on that instead of making up silly stories.

When you go to your bank and you see security cameras on the outside of the bank, are they pointed at the building? Of course not - because they are mounted on the building.

Why is it an outdated peice of shit camera like you find in 7/11? Because the public would bitch if the Pentagon turned in a bill for $4mil to update it's security cameras?

Didn't the plane that hit the Pentagon take out a light pole? Or damgae it?

Were the light poles in the direct flight path of the plane? I've honestly never looked at a map so I would know. But even if they were light poles are only twenty feet high or so, and I'm guessing the airplane was higher than twenty feet when it passed, um, OVER the lightpole?

And.... I have no idea what this mean....

"you know instead of lying on the ground besides where they came out...as if some tiny explosion cut the nuts and bolts and it just fell over from gravity"

9/11 did happen right after the taliban turned down the project to build a huge oil pipe across afganhistan...you want to guess who was involved in those companies? take a big guess...think you can figure it out?..im sure no conflict of interest was made there.

you want to look at gonzalez? the same judge who let the Bush family off of crimes that the purposely defrauded banks to the tunes of billions in the 80's

hell man..cowboys were the original gangsters....and texans been cowboys their whole existence

So your saying that the plane(s) were full of witnesses? That doesn't fly at all really. Most of these people were average citizens with jobs much less entertaining than ours. And if they knew anything about what was about to happen.... I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be getting into an airplane.

There seems to be a lot of discussion about the plane cash in PA and lack of physical plane parts. We've all seen plane crashes with lots of plane parts and the like laying around. Well, most plane crashes have someone physically controling the plane and trying their damnest to save the plane. The plane in PA went straight down into the ground from an original height of tens of thousands of feet. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that a plane that nose dives from thirty thousand feet is going to destroy itself. (Don't quote me on the height of the plane.)

Are there things that don't add up. You bet your ass there are.

If ten people witness a car accident with four cars in it, they'll all walk away with different ideas of what they say. That's human nature. In this event there was a number of different "incidents" (WTC, PA, and Washington DC) and we have really no information from inside the planes or the buildings and cannot say for sure what really happened.

But if our government is at fault.... It would have taken a lot of people to pull this off. And for everyone one person who may have been involved there must be yet more people who saw something.

For example, if the plane over PA was shot down.... didn't anyone notice the missile missing? Or was the ground crew involved in it? How many people would have noticed the missile missing? Why haven't they come forward?

There is discussion about explosives being placed in the WTC towers? They didn't just stroll up there and put them behind a desk; This would have taken some effort and someone would have seen something. And wouldn't one of them come foward after they figured out they killed three thousand people?

And if the government was behind it, who flew the airplanes? Who trained them? And why haven't they come foward? (Don't tell me it was flown by remote control; I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed that before they took off.)

And then.... If it was a missile that hit the Pentagon.... Someone somewhere would have had to have pushed a button and perhaps even fueled a rocket up, not to mention someone somwhere would have seen this missile take off? It must have been a somewhat large missile, and it's not like we hand these out to school kids. And if it was a missile, why didn't anyone see this on radar?

Why hasn't someone come foward yet?

Interesting point - and one I've never heard.

I've already mentioned here in this thread that the Bush family = oil, so you have no arugment there. But to say that the Bush family killed thousands of Americans in a very public way so that they can invade a country..... That's a tall one.

Now, if you told me they shot down a US warplane to create a war I could see that.

But again, why hasn't anyone come foward? Or are they all connected to oil?

While the tin hat people are busy trying to convince me, they totally miss other things. In the 1980s Russia wanted to create a pipeline from Russia into Europe to flood Europe with cheap natural gas. If you think about it, having 60% of Europe depandant on natural gas from mother Russia at the height of the cold sounds like the dumbest thing since.... you catch my drift. Reagan was totally against this and did everything to shut it down, but failed. Yet where were the tin hat people when the pipeline was built - using tech information ironically supplied by the US - and both pumping stations suddenly exploded?

what's got 100 million arms and 100 million legs and walks willingly off the edge of a cliff?

why, America of course.

Sort of like the blind leading the blind? Not so much.

I've read both sides of the issue, and spent hours watching the videos on Al Gore's Internet telling me that our goverment was behind 9/11.

And yet no one has come foward, to be a hero and multi-millionaire over night, saying "I know the truth about 9/11".

If the idiots with the tin foil hats said "Bush hired sixteen Muslims and they did it"..... Instead of telling me that missiles hit the Pentagon and that skyscrapers don't fall when rammed by large planes....... At least I can see this.

That can be said for every nation that's ever been in war.

I'm not talking about the 9/11 stuff. I stopped after the Jesus part. While I'm an atheist, 90% of the crap in the first part was factually incorrect. Not debateable but just completely wrong.

My point being, if someone is going to makeup stuff to try and prove a point in one part of the video, why wouldn't they do it throughout the rest? They just have no credibility.

Fact #10 On the morning of 911 Mr. Dick Cheney was in charge of all Norad order from the command bunker under the White House.
Out of all 22 possible war game exercises being conducted with the only six fighter pilots defending our airspace that morning,planes being flown into buildings was the scenario.