How about you prove me wrong, how a debate works. I saw the video of the terrorists guys in Egypt, they do all look the same to me but that is enough proof for me.

And, why do you think our Gov wouldn't do this? They did plan on attacking its own people during the Cuba Crisis, that's in a declassified document. If they would do it then, why not now?

Do you really think 3,000 lives for a few trillion dollars in oil is a big deal to these people? Throughout time the leaders of countries have done far worse for much less.


Oh look at that, special sig spot..

Yes, in fact, I am not afraid of going on record of saying that Bush might be hailed as a hero in thirty years. If not a hero, perhaps a "good President". (Keep in mind I believe he's a horrible President.)

I believe that the world's oil resources are drying up, and in twenty - thirty years from now we'll be screwed. There isn't an exit plan in Iraq because we have no intention of leaving - We want (and perhaps need) a full time presence in the Middle East.

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Gulf War I was because of Kuwait; Gulf War II was because Saddam believe that he could tell the world he beat the Americans and defied all of the condiations of the surrender.

There is a good chance this will happen. And will make all of efforts there a waste and leave us with no foot hold in the Middle East. I mean, I'm fine with this myself - I make plenty of money and rarely leave the house, so if the price of gas triples in the next year it's not going to really affect me at all.

Gulf War I wasn't a waste and accomplished it's objections - which were getting Iraq out of Kuwait and securing our oil interests.

We could have easily walked straight into Bagdad, but our intention wasn't to occupy Iraq. Perhaps we should have done that first time around.

You need to be a bit more specific here. Are you implying that the US dropped bombs on it's own population? Please do tell; This should be interesting.

It wasnt planned, but rather discussed as an option. I'm guessing the reason why is because.... if one thing went wrong, if one witness came forward... it would have sunk the JFK administration.

And this is why I believe our Govenment had nothing to do with this. If one witness came foward.... it would change world history drastically.

So you think that people were "paid off" with the promise of citizenship and $100k. But everyone who investigated 9/11 failed to notice that Jose survived 9/11, suddenly bought a house on his janitor's pay, and his entire familiy suddenly got citizenship? Trust me, if such a person came foward today he would be a multi millionaire for giving a hand ful of interviews and a national hero instead of having to live with all of this guilt.

The amount of pepole involved in this would have been staggering. Just to give you an idea of this....
- Someone to rig up the WTC with explosives.
- Someone to fly the plane or remote control fly the plane.
- Someone to plant the cars left behind at the airport.
- Some to create entire fake histories of non existant people
- Someone to rig the cameras at the airports.

And this is just for the WTC in NY. What about Fight 93 in PA?
- Someone had to have fired a missile.
- Someone had to have noticed a missile missing. How many people are on a flight crew that would have noticed a missile missing?
- Some to edit all of the radar tapes and voice recordings.

Then there is the Pentagon....
- Someone had to have fired a large missile to launch it into the Pentagon.
- Someone had to have fueled that missile.
- And dozens must have seen it take off.
- And dozens more must have noticed their silo was empty.

If it was an inside job then hundreds of people must have been involved - and surely one of them would have come foward.

And it if was a conspiracy.... Then all of this is pointless.

No Im saying it could be one possibility thats it.If you witnessed a murder by lets say the mafia and they offered to set you up with that kind of money or die what would you do?
Would you betray them after?
And if you did how long do you think youd stay alive?

Just some questions here.

This is a bit different from the Mafia and a murder.

Simple phone call to CNN and you would be set for life. Once they verified a few things, they would lock you up and have cameras on you 24/7 in the event someone was to make an attempt on your life.

Face it, you've got nothing. Every question you have Mr Fake Nick is quickly and easiliy shot done; Most of them I don't even have to research. This has been discussed and discussed time and time again; Books have been written about it.

If you told me that the Mossad sent in twenty terrorists and did this I might believe you. But when your tellng me that missiles were launched and explosions took down the WTC..... That's just way too far out there man.

Fact # 16 George Bushes grandfarther owned and operated a major oil refinery back in the 1940s.That very same oil refinery fued many of the Nazis vehichles of mass destruction(term used in todays war on terror for those of you that cant comprehend it)way back in WW2.

Take another look at how long this has been going on and why and how big it actually is.

Ok, this has gotten silly now.
Have a good evening.

no doudt it was the beginning of the game/big lie (Muslims are terrorists), cause that would be easy way to stealing Muslim People's resources.

Crusades and Zionists playing this bloody game together, but they don't know there is GOD sees everything and sure innocents will have fairness some days.

I wouldnt sat staggering but yes the (secret service)as it is known has branches that even the highest ranking officer cant comprehend.

that flight and its crew have been documented filed whatever and its history the hijackers were on board dont you remember the phone call from the hero to his poor wife that morning?
WTF? are you nuts first of all what missle silo are you speaking of and where?
It was obviously an explosion from within the fucking thing dont you think that makes more sense?
But then you have to ask yourself where did the plane go then?




do the actors come out into the isles after you go see any good movie?
Why would they when they are all at the beach party.?

Oh so your doubting this?
Look it up if your a non believer go ahead I dare you to dispute this fact of evidence!

You got them... it was all part of a 70 year plan...... :uhoh Jesus Christ you are stupid..

Whos calling who stupid here Sticky box?
Think again Im on your side.

Ummm errr no you arent.

Yes, and IBM made the machines that kept track of how many Jews they killed. And yet I wonder why percentage of people on GFY drives BMWs.

Charles Linberg, a national hero, was also a huge supporter of Nazi Germany.

This proves nothing.

What missile am I talking about? I'm talking about what ever hit the Pentagon. I'm saying it's plane and your saying it's a missile. I'm guessing it must have been a pretty damn big missile.

I'm a former US Marine. Any time I went out with live ammo it was counted, and it was counted when I came back in. I'm pretty sure they take stock of missiles on a regular basis and if one was missing it would have been pretty fucking clear.

Your also telling me that an explousion took out the WTC and I'm telling you that a fucking plane hit it. The impact was so violent that it registered as an earthquake. The plane took out an entire side of the building eight stories tall, as well as the core elevator bank. This in itself is more than enough to down the towers. COmbined with the fire.

Here' the problem with the tin hat people....

.... If they had said "Bush hired twenty guys to take over these aircraft..... I could believe this.

..... But to sit here and grasp at any straw no matter how far out there.... Just makes you all look pretty damn stupid already.

I mean come on already....

Your friends are telling us that they know who the pilot is who shot down Flight 93 in PA. Well, the problem with that story is that this guy landed in Montana shortly before the flight crashed.

Yes, thre was a military exercise on 9/11. In fact, NORAD had five of them planned for that day which seems to be rather common.

It's been said that all video tape involved with the Pentgon was confiscated the day of 9/11. But they don't tell us that these tapes have been released.

WTC7 fell because 1/3 of the structure was destroyed.

At this point everything has been explained already.

I may kick myself in the ass later for this post BUT what the hell lol

Loki's Fact 0: I was awaken via telephone moments after the first plane hit the first building when EVERYONE just THOUGHT it was a freak accident, I watched the news (CNN I think at some point i jumped back and forth to like 4 news stations) Anyway so I was watching it unfold minute to minute.....

Loki's Fact A: AFTER They got bush to STOP reading the book and MOVE, do you remember the NEWS? (letters instead of cities cause i forget but you'll get my drift)

Bush is being taken via private jet from A to B. Bush is leaving B and heading to C. Bush is in the air leaving C heading to D Bush just left D and is on the way to a secret bunker.

I felt this ODD as fuck that NOW that we are AWARE that 'we were under attack" ANYONE would be telling the entire world the exact location of Bush (even if it was fake locations to throw off attackers that's just too fucked up)

Now during this same time... Ole Dickey Boy's local' was never disclosed let alone not disclosed on a 5 min update basis (was Bush supposed to be killed??? {just a thought, no tin foil hat for me lol} and Dickey boy take the helm?)

Continues......

Loki

this 'poll' is totally slanted in 1 direction.

Loki's Fact B: Each and every station gave a diff account of everything that was going on... but ONE THING stayed on point, the footage of the first plane hitting the building (There were two tapes, from two diff angles) shot by the student film crew, the footage that followed the plane (for no apparent reason) for a good 3 minutes prior (any math geeks wanna give a distance for that 3 mins?)
to hitting the first tower was yanked off of EVERY NETWORK within an hour or two. this footage was seized by the gov and is now classified (refferenced in the 9-11 report)

Loki's Fact C: Fuck what Alex Jones and other tin foil hat people have said, they DO have facts but throw in enough bullshit so they don't get killed lol, BUT there WAS Audio played for a brief time in the 'final hours' before the 2 towers "fell" where the firefighters said point blank.... "There are boxes on the walls, what the hell is going on here" granted those sound clips were also pulled from the air within 30 mins of them airing and pretty much only mentioned by the tin foil hat brigade.

continues....

Loki's Fact D: Do you remember when we 'invaded' for remember how ALL the news channels had graphics and soundbeds for the event? remember what the VERY FIRST OFFICIAL NAME WAS?

Operation
Iraqi
Liberation (O.I.L.)

No shit, look it up, ran for just under 24 hours on ALL US NEW STATIONS

then it was changed to

Operation
Iraqi
Freedom

and last but not least.....

Loki's Fact E: WHY has NO ONE come forward?

Well, if indeed all the tin foil hat freaks are even 75% correct, then overall damn near EVERY branch of law and government would HAVE to be INVOLVED, America is a "superpower" and our nation is governed by fear, if ANYONE came forward they would DEFF be KILLED, setup and or silenced.

look at the REAL facts after 9-11, the patriot act, homeland security, the fucking catch phrases the buzz words "Your either WITH US or the terrorists" Or "If you don't ________ the terrorists win"

The patriot act, and homeland security did nothing more then pretty much give gov. TOTAL control over EVERYTHING, and also changed the rules of the game so to speak......

Look at the GOP Convention, protesters were tucked away in warehouses and SOME were sent to Gitmo or other places like that, look p the PUBLIC REPORTS where more then 40% of "terror suspects" were born and raised US CITIZENS NOT arabs, muslims, etc etc etc,

At one point in the last two years what I am typing was enough to get me thrown away for questioning as a potential TERRORIST, who the fuck would go public? they would not be a "hero" just a Marder(sic) and with the spin machine that person would just be re-labeled a "terrorist supporter"

I mean fuck man, cause I enjoy a joint every few months I'm a terrorist supporter now?

Love my country FEAR my Gov.

Life should be more like V for Vendetta lol

-Loki-

FLAME AWAY ;)

I doubt history will see bush as great,
Saddam went into kuwait because of slant drilling he felt they were stealing from him and he felt he had the US's blessing.

"On Wednesday July 25, 1990, the American Ambassador in Iraq, April Glaspie, asked the Iraqi high command to explain the military preparations in progress, including the massing of Iraqi troops near the border. The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, “inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion” on the disagreement which opposes Kuwait to Iraq, stating "we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts". She also let Saddam Hussein know that the U.S. did not intend "to start an economic war against Iraq". These statements may have misled Saddam into believing he had received a diplomatic green light from the United States to invade Kuwait (New York Times, September 23, 1990)."

He worked for the CIA that's why nothing happened to him in gulf1.Another theory why we went in after 911 was Saddam wanted to start trading oil for euros instead of dollars.

What about all the previous attempted bombings that were mostly uneffective? If it was a conspiracy why didn't they get it right the first time?

it is hard to kill your own people

even if you been a gangster all your life.


so you try to do the least bit of damage possible to get what you want done.

it is now accomplished....storm troopers can march anywhere they want ni the usa..isten to who they want..go into anyones home they want


etc etc....mission accomplished

You're 100% right. (except for spelling) :thumbsup

wipe out israel and america = peace worldwide

haha yeah..i hadn't had any coffee yet..and was just typing fast to get to it

the only sentence to make any sense this far

only by people voting .