Gerco, thanks for all those details. one bump here...

anyone else?

A Most Excellent thread!

With all these content deals going on today, you can get one for an decent amount of money. It took me 2 years to build up a membersarea that made the members rebill. Because you need shitloads of content (or feeds), unless they'll cancel.

Owning paysites is a long journey of adding new content all the time. I would say that unless you really have something special or access to loads of content, then dont start an program unless you have tons of cash to promote it and make it look pro enough for webmasters to wanna promote it.

if you dont have too much money...the best would be to go onto micro niches... this way you wont have tons of competitors... and your success probability will be much higher

:2 cents:

Content is very important, but marketing is even more important....I know very HQ sites that don't have much members. And I know a lot of shitty sites, with TONS and TONS of sales....

If i where in you position and had never run a paysite i would start by promoting a good honest affiliate program to get the feel of what you can do to promote your own stuff. Do this before spending a cent because if you are unable to make money promoting a successful affiliate website chances are you will be even less succesful with your own ?

bump for more interesting posts

well hmm.. i am working on a "cheap amateur" site with exclusive content, it will only cost me around $4k, not counting the content as i shoot it myself with models i have "relations" with.. i have 10 models, not sure if that is enough to do a good startup with re-bills, anyone ??

there are a lot of good people here who gives savy advise, but 5 times more who wants your money for shitty advise/services, so watch out who you deal with.. let me know if i can assist you in any way. no cost execpt if you want content..

how is your sybian site coming along?

That is technically mine JP.

oh good for you, is it doing well?

amateur porn is what turns me on personally. i've never liked babe/airbrush style, so i suppose there are a lot of people out there looking for the same. btw, i haven't seen good amateur look paysite in a while...

At the cost of setting up and running a site today, could there BE any real "amateur" sites anymore?

Like fuck they are going to be different, they're THE numbers. Let me read the writing on the wall for iliterate surfers :

Even if you think your $200 a month spent on internet porn is a heckload of money, figure out that if you interacted with real women, with your social skills, it'd be more like coupla k's. So you're getting it cheap. CHEAP.

Even if you think your "in house talent", no really, who are you fucking with here ? Your girlfriend may look like she could take her clothes off in front of a camera, you have no fucking clue. No fucking clue.

Real life porn models aren't flaky because they're evil bitches. They're flaky because porn modelling is hard work. Your girlfriend is going to be the flakiest of them all. By a thick margin.

Forget this "in house talent" crap. If you think you can start a paysite because you finally found a girl that'll strip for you, you're about as deluded as someone who thinks they can fart their way to the sun because they like velveeta.

This business is not about finding girls willing to sit put long enough to whip a camera on them. Frat parties are about that.

I cant say how much it will cost you, but from my own experience I have built a site in the past with high end CMS license, tours, banners, couple of template galleries and membership section for $6000. Affiliate program you can get from Epoch. Marketing you can spend a big part of your capital.

If you do not have a remote idea of the costs, you better hide yer wallet for a little while.

Ya gonna get hustled.

If you have no clue about what goes on with a paysite, scripts dev costs hosting, acquiring content, so on and so forth, I would urge you to not consider any averages.

Consider what you know and what you goto learn.
Then put the numbers together.


Cuz right now...
Blank spots = blank checks.

The only peice of advice that i would like to pffer is this:
In light of the fact that over 5- 3PP / TransactionProcessors have gone under in the last 3-years i would like to suggest that you simply diversify your risk.
With no warning what so ever , payment processors (MVC,IBILL,ETC) Have disappered over night taking many hard working Web-Masters money / Data-Basses with them.
The best way , in my oppinion , to diversify this sort of risk is to have more then one On-Line Transaction Processor Available for the End User to choose from.
You may find that as much as 1/3 avg of your new members will choose the secoundry processor.
Of course there is always the Cascade system , however, the methood that i suggest will be cheaper.
I have several relationships with a handfull / Merchant Account Providers of 3pp's on a global level. If you require any assistance feel free to contact me. I will assist you free of charge as i receive a commision from the 3pp. Negotiate a discount rate , possible lower reserve, i can also help you get a 1% fee rate reduction with a very reputable ACH (On-Line Check processor).
I wish you the best of luck and i also extend this service to any member of GFY. Free of charge.
I am trying to start a business that will place me in a position as a Laision between Web-Site owners and there 3pp's. I have read thred after thred about some poor hard working web-master being brushed off by there 3pp sales rep because they processes $3k per month. Being left on hold for hours , false promisses , lie's, abuse, etc...when all they want is to get paid what they are owed , what they worked for until all hours of the night. The rep wont give a site owner the time of day because they dont processes over $100k per month. I would like to have a big enough portfolio so that when a site owner has a problem and calls me, i inturn call the 3pp and the cite-owner goes back to work and when i call the 3pp the rep answers the phone and the problem is fixed in a couple of hours, the site-owners is happy and i can do this at NO CHARGE TO THE SITE OWNER. I do this for about 40-clients currently and things are going well. I would like to do this at a larger level.... Any feed back from GFY Members would be greatly appreciated. My idea is on a make-shift site www.dms1.net. I do need a pro-site built.Again, if this sounds like a service that would be welcome in the GFY community please let me know. I would keep the service free as there is a referal program with many 3pp's as well as merchant banks. I have been in the 3PP Biz for 5-years so it would be hard for these companys to bullshit me. Wouldnt it be great if the Adult Market had a sort of Union , if the portfolio were large enough we could pretty much get our fee's reduced , reserves lowered for less time , we could move things :)
If i receive a good deal of positive feed back i could possibily raise some capitol and put a crew together that would be at Web-Masters / Site-Owners disposal on a global level. AND WE COULD DO THIS FOR YOU FOR FREE.
Thank you for your time and consideration and i am looking forward to working for you.