very weak... no surprise that fleshlight is not a product effected by torrents
very weak

http://www.referralmatrix.com/promo/fleshlight.jpg



So do you think Nasty Dollars gave permission for tnaflix to use a video that was 36 minutes long???? one of several of their videos posted on this site.

http://www.tnaflix.com/view_video.ph...9c1e3d43ea1522
BTW, the ads do rotate so you might need to refresh it a few times (why i took a screen shot).

So this affiliate http://www.fleshlightgirls.com/produ...yNTo1,30,0,0,0 will be shut down soon correct ?

53.......

Josh, did you really and honestly think you could come here to GFY and put one past us all? You're not saving face, you're losing it. Let's reflect:

- You cut cheques to sites that only exist to give away stolen, copyrighted porn
- You don't write into your TOS that you won't deal with torrent sites, of which MAYBE 2% respect copyright laws
- You claim there is a "right way" to get this traffic, but don't explain
- You claim your company takes efforts to stop (errrr, read: make more profitable) this kind of thing, but won't talk about what those steps might be
- You prefer to talk to BoyAlley than talk about the issues at hand

You're clearly fuckin the dog on this one. It's plain to see you feel you have more to gain from torrent sites than you have to lose from this mismatch community of affiliates here. Of this, you're almost certainly correct.

How many people pulled their Fleshlight ads after reading this thread? My guess is 0.

Reading up on these two threads now... :Oh crap:disgust

Hello thread.

No I agree its getting a bit rampant. However I dont dump all the responsibility on the sponsors either. Vuze does have some adult content. Im using it to advertise some sites with HD clips I couldnt do anywhere else. Im not going to crucify torrent files on a whole. They are a tool. Are they being used for things they shouldnt, and not in the way they were originally intended? Yes. Then again every instance of p2p sharing has gone the same direction after a while.

What do people think is going to happen when a large percentage of the world is on fiber and can just use say aim, or msn to send GB files within a minutes time? I dont agree with content theft at all, but there is a bigger underlying issue here. And I havent seen anyone big step up to do something about it. I dont know...

I would challenge anyone to file a lawsuit against us and win. We are not stealing the content nor posting it on torrent networks. We do however care about people we have/are working with and THAT'S the reason we are going to do what we can to not support people who are abusing the system, not because we are afraid of a lawsuit. We can't please everyone all the time but trust me, we are on your side. If you guys want to send me the stuff I have requested, I promise to work on getting it fixed. If you don't want to and would like to just keep being mad at me, that's your prerogative.

I have already contacted that affiliate and yes, I am talking to them directly on the phone tomorrow and the matter will be resolved.

Josh, Fleshlight hurtn' for sales or something? This is cut and dry - Update your TOS and put an end to this. :upsidedow

Could you please address this?

I am just wondering if the same applies to regular affiliates as well. It used to be that if you were an affiliate and you had CP up on your domains, sponsors would terminate your account, keep your money, and ban you. It seems now that this policy is selectively enforced.

Is there a cut off for this. Such as if we send $3,000,000 in sales a year it is okay? Just wondering. What is the figure? Is it the same for stolen content too? Can a regular small time affiliate use stolen content all over their domain but it will be okay as long as those pages do not have your ads.
Where can I find this in your terms. TIA

:batman :batman

Exactly, well put. I thought when Ramos was handling Fleshlight PR it was a disaster, but Josh now has it in full trainwreck mode. I have to believe he is new to the industry or to handling public relations. Whining about negative board comments because your company didn't take a proactive policy stance is not going to win you any new affiliates. Instead of waiting for the complaints to come in, why not spend some time and actually look at the sites that are sending you traffic.

obviously they would lose too many sales, otherwise it would have been a quick decision

We monitor sites randomly, daily. If someone brings up a particular infraction, we look into it and determine if there is indeed an issue. If an issue is found, the affiliate is dealt with accordingly.

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anyone who knowingly finances piracy through some wishy washy stance is guilty as the person who stole the content. its not hard to find out where your traffic comes from even if you are a rookie traffic manager. you shut off that torrent traffic, you shut off a sizeable amount of income. the intellect runs high in this industry, none of us are dummies.

well, there's a few, but not many that can stay around for very long if they're not intelligent.

Phone? since phone-number is not a part of your NATS affiliate info, how do you for some reason have their phone-number ready? is it because you have talked to the people before?

Was this a Freudian slip?

Since this infraction was found .. and i am telling you that our movies on that site are indeed stolen content ... how will they be delt with?

Megan

They won't be, of course.

I could go the personal route with you BA and we could argue all night long..I have told you what I am going to do and I'll let the board know what comes of it tomorrow...bash me as you may but just remember, I have never bashed you and regardless of what comes of this issue (because we will make everyone happy) my opinion of you has changed.

Remember, you need to EMAIL it to him, or it wont be dealt with. Forums are not professional

This is the very typical process for a company that doesn't have any skin in the game themselves.

Fleshlight has no content, no digital product to be stolen, so they have little or no consideration for the producers that would have their product stolen. The entire concept is "show me something that is illegal, and we will take narrow action on that particular file / page combination" - in the mean time snapping up as much traffic as they can.

Fleshlight's policy is, in my opinion, abusive of the adult industry. Everyone who produces content should insist that they content NEVER appear on a domain that has fleshlight ads.

If they want the torrent traffic, let them have it - just don't let them be in the adult industry anymore.

As I stated earlier, I am talking to the affiliate via telephone first thing tomorrow morning and this issue will be dealt with. I take what you have to say to heart and as I said before, I am on your side. Give me the benefit of the doubt and bash me all you want tomorrow if I don't follow through.

You don't get it, you can't make everyone happy on this issue. You either please those who are infringing other's work and allow them to continue advertising your product or you delete their account and make us happy.

Well here's kinda the problem Josh, what do you tell them, please change your torrent site into.... something else, that does.... something else?

I mean explain to us an example of how you made someone comply with your (seemingly made up) rules?

You talked on the phone to X, and they agreed to do X.. Fill in the X's please.. How do you get a torrent site to comply, and still have oodles of stolen content?

Alex, you are one wise mofo....one of the few people on gfy that I always read their posts

you are 100% right, companies like fleshlight should not be considered in the adult industry, they have no cards in the game

Spinning spinning spinning, typical shit. Same as Lars pulls. "Problem will be dealt with".
I know how else it can be dealt with. Click the ban button in NATS.

But that means a LOT of lost sales, so why would they do that? They'd rather piss off the content producers than piss off their sales makers.

Don't need to be brilliant to figure out that they don't give a fuck about a bunch of GFY posters, TGP owners, Content Companies etc. They got legal council that says unless they have a nude child on THEIR banner they are fine, and they are more than willing to milk that.

Bix, GoFish, SinglesNet, AFF and others advertise on Torrent sites so who the fuck cares if fleshlight does

so damn true.

This is kinda funny.. It's like...

We found out one of your customers/clients is clearly a rapist. They are raping, and we have proof of it.

Your stance - We'll talk to this valued rapist of ours, and see if we can come to some kind of mutually beneficial relationship. Oh, and trust me, we'll handle it well. We value you anti-rapists who are also customers of ours, and we'll make sure we get our rape team/division under control.

Are you seeing this as clearly as we are? Yes. Just can't think of a good way to deal with it and still keep your rape team intact.

100% spot on!

sticky why do you have to be so stupid.

That is not a torrent site. That site has nothing to do with the adult industry, there is no adult content on it, etc.... you might as well posted a link to google.

So you will talk to this affiliate tomorrow to see what can be done, but will accept his traffic until then?

I am going to just e mail you a list of every torrent site out there and request you pull the links, I have saw your ads next to CP links, I have saw your ads next to exclusive content I shot, I have saw your ads next to animal sex.

I can keep going..

Can you explain exactly why I need to e mail you when torrent sites obviously steal and hurt out industry?

Guess what, you're going to alienate yourself from adult programs, and lose a huge traffic source in itself.

you are a tool.

Josh, please.

Go to any torrent site. type in "simpsons movie". If you can find the simpson's movie on the site, then you know that the site has illegal material on it. it should be up to the site to show that it is CLEARLY not distributing material without rights.

Waiting for each and every individual copyright holder to contact you, one file at a time is (pardon my english) a chickenshit way of saying "we will take any traffic we don't care".

Why not ask your torrent site partners to show that they have permission for, say, their top 20 files? If they could do that you might have a leg to stand on. But it is very doubtful that any of your "torrent partners" would be able to provide you the contractual rights they have for these files (and in the case of adult material, the 2257 documents and model releases - without those you have to treat every adult file as potential CP, and we know you don't want to be part of the CP world).

I cannot wait to see what sticky thinks of all the content from his paysites on a torrent site, and there is nothing he can do about it.

We already know his true colors and he's fucking worthless.

Not to mention 2 other things.

1 some of his 2257 lists off to content2die4 which is prostock, who is well know for being a huge content scammer. Wonder why they are working together?

2 some of his other sites 2257 list off to somewhere in Tennessee, yet he admitted he purchased content and did not have 2257 for it, so wonder how that's working out for him...

I think people are more pissed because you give a half ass bullshit explanation. Just say the truth. Just say you need that traffic to make money. Just say you don't really give a shit and that you aren't responsible for the content next to your ads. Pretending like you give a shit about this industry or stolen content is laughable as you guys have been on virtually every torrent site at one time or another.

nothing will happen.


there is no need to talk to the affiliate on the phone.

Fact: there is stolen content being served with ads to fleshlight which produce revenue from the stolen content.

Fact: thats grounds for termination under their program, (if not it should be immediately).

the absolute right thing to do is this.

Fact: torrent sites make money from stolen content. 100% of the content is stolen.

Fact: people who know they are making money from a torrent site are in fact making money at the expense of someone who is losing money on the very content they paid to produce.

there's no cute way to put it. you accept revenue from torrent sites, you ARE fucking the very people you pretend to be friends with in public and at shows.

the only way to justify it is to snuff the torrent sites because they cant make money through adult programs. we all know that the BRO love don't go that deep.

Fact: adding "If you are a torrent/leeching/download site that profits from content that is not yours, you will be terminated immediately, no questions asked" is the only line you need to go to the TOS and add.

that would solve it all.

i'm so bloody sick of this cesspool of lies and fakeness.

Again Will goes off half cocked without even fucking knowing what he is talking about. It is 100% a torrent site, and THERE IS adult content on it, just not in the public view from the main site. Do you even know who azureus http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ is? http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=azu...p=mss&ei=UTF-8

Not surprising you dont realize Torrents are used for good not just evil.

what??? contacted them and talking to them on the phone tomorrow. What is there to talk about? you said:

you didn't say " I will need to wait till tomorrow to talk to the affiliate about this". You said the ad would be removed, now back up what you say you are going to do or people will really think you are full of bull shit.

Deactivate the link, suspend or close the affiliate. What is there to talk about ?

Hmm Ill tell you this. A TON of my content uses these file names... rxp333 I DO HAVE ALL 2257 info for everybit of content on everyone of my sites. Either find where I said I dont have 2257 for anything.




Oh and Willy here is from the about on vuze.com

http://www.vuze.com/About.html

Terms:
You may NOT promote our products & services on any site containing illegal content, torrents, warez or any other form of questionable material.

10 seconds to write.

About 4 hours of research to locate and shut off any affiliate promoting your products.

It's simple... Who sends you the most traffic with the highest ratios 1:423532? Go to the referring sites, and examine the traffic sources. If it's illegal, kill the accounts.

It's a no-brainer IMHO, and this "We'll deal with this tomorrow" stuff is garbage.

Mad views!

yeah like a phone call tomorrow " to talk about it ".


Bro! pick up the phone we need to talk.
Ok bro, whats up I was busy waxing my vette.
Sorry Bro, but some trolls on GFY outed you, we need to talk.
WTF Bro, fuck them, what they bitching about now.
Bro, its your ad on that torent site.
Bro, I advertise on like 50 torrent sites, which one.
Bro, the tnaflix one. We need to do something, the trolls are bitching.
Ok Bro, just tell them you looking into it.
BRO! i already tried that. They not buying that this time.
Hmmm, lets see Bro. Can you make me a new account?
AHHH good idea Bro, Let me make you a new account, and I will shut this one down.
Ok works for me Bro, hey when you going to buy me drinks again?
Soon Bro.
Ok Bro, I need to run before my wax dries.
Later Bro.
Later.

that pretty much sums it up.

:321GFY