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Luscious Media 08-14-2007 04:23 PM
I read this whole fucking thread and there's no, "Ok...problem solved...this affiliate has been banned and we are now going through ALL of our affiliates to verify their traffic..."? I can understand why...$$$$$$$...but that just makes you a thief too. I call Lars (bullshit).

Oh..btw...if you profit from stolen content (which you are) you are most certianly setting yourself up for litigation.

TDF 08-14-2007 04:24 PM
here we grow again

Libertine 08-14-2007 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FleshJosh (Post 12929214)
Since my post yesterday, I have talked with the owners of some of the largest torrent sites on the web. They are removing our ads from their non-DMCA compliant torrent sites and have told me that if anyone has a problem with their content on DMCA compliant sites, simply send a DMCA notice and it will be removed within 24 hours. As I stated yesterday (and was called an idiot for doing so), several companies send them previews of their content every month to seed on their torrent sites because they realize the value of such sites. This solidifies my claim that there is tons of "non-stolen" content on these torrent sites that can be used to make money with our product. It is in no way Fleshlight's responsibility to make content companies proactive with their content. Contrary to popular belief, we do have content. We are working on a proprietary player so that if someone wants to view one of our protected videos, their username would have to be verified in our system before they were granted access to play the video. For future reference, if anyone sees our ads being served with their content on a non-DMCA compliant torrent site, please notify me. I will make sure the particular torrent site is DMCA compliant and if they aren't, I will stop their traffic completely. If they are, I will even forward on the urls of your content and tell them to remove it for you. At this point, this is our solution and the bottom line is that companies need to either protect their content or figure out a way to make money with it on torrent sites because they are not going away.

Just so you know, all ads are removed from PirateBay and will be removed from TNAFlix by tomorrow and the sites that have been mentioned as being DMCA compliant are empornium and puretna. If you see any of your content on empornium or puretna, please send them a DMCA notice and they will remove the content within 24 hours. They have 2 people on staff that are hired solely for that purpose. If you would like to send me any other sites that are non-DMCA compliant and have Fleshlight ads on them, please feel free to do so and I will handle them accordingly.
This is just hilarious.

You say they'll remove your ads from their non-DMCA compliant sites, but will keep them on the DMCA compliant ones. So, you do business with people who are openly in the business of illegally distributing content, as long as your ads don't appear on the same pages as the stolen content.

Meanwhile, you still consider all content fair game, because after all, the DMCA says that content owners should police the torrent sites and such themselves. Which, of course, pretty much fucks over all small content producers, who lack the resources to police all the torrent sites.

So, the end result: you'll still be financing content theft.

Aneros Josh 08-14-2007 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 12929281)
This is just hilarious.

You say they'll remove your ads from their non-DMCA compliant sites, but will keep them on the DMCA compliant ones. So, you do business with people who are openly in the business of illegally distributing content, as long as your ads don't appear on the same pages as the stolen content.

Meanwhile, you still consider all content fair game, because after all, the DMCA says that content owners should police the torrent sites and such themselves. Which, of course, pretty much fucks over all small content producers, who lack the resources to police all the torrent sites.

So, the end result: you'll still be financing content theft.
No...our ads will not be featured at all on piratebay or tnaflix from this point on. If anyone has any other sites that aren't DMCA compliant that have our ads on them, please let me know and I will handle those affiliates. As I stated in my post, empornium and puretna have 2 full time employees that police the content on the DMCA compliant sites.

Libertine 08-14-2007 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FleshJosh (Post 12929305)
No...our ads will not be featured at all on piratebay or tnaflix from this point on. If anyone has any other sites that aren't DMCA compliant that have our ads on them, please let me know and I will handle those affiliates. As I stated in my post, they have 2 full time employees that police the content on the DMCA compliant sites.
Ehm, *yes*.

First, you will still be advertising on puretna.com. Puretna.com, afaik, is owned by the same people as tnaflix.com. So, you will be doing business with the semi-legal branch of the company, and ignore the blatantly illegal one.

Of course, puretna.com isn't exactly DMCA compliant either. They have no address on their site for DMCA notices, nor are they on the list with a designated agent: http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/list/

Instead, they have an email address on their website, and this notice:
Quote:
PUBLISHER REMOVAL REQUESTS:
MUST use the subject line: Publisher Removal Request.
If you wish us to extend you this professional courtesy the key to swift cooperation is to be very brief, polite, NON threatening & demanding, & provide page links to the posts you'd like removed (http://www.puretna.com/details.php?id=######).
[...]
NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE OR WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES, do NOT be rude &/or blunt & demanding unless you want your email ignored, we have no obligation whatsoever to tolerate asses.
This does NOT follow the DMCA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_...he_safe_harbor

Libertine 08-14-2007 04:52 PM
Oh, and the same goes for Empornium. So, neither site is DMCA compliant.

Handle the affiliates, like you said you would :)

Aneros Josh 08-14-2007 05:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 12929392)
Oh, and the same goes for Empornium. So, neither site is DMCA compliant.

Handle the affiliates, like you said you would :)
There's always going to be SOMEthing...they are changing the wording (per the owner) and has assured me that they ARE dmca compliant

Libertine 08-14-2007 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FleshJosh (Post 12929440)
There's always going to be SOMEthing...they are changing the wording (per the owner) and has assured me that they ARE dmca compliant
I assure you that I am the king of Spain.

See how easy it is to just say something?

DMCA compliance requires more than just putting up an email address. It requires registering a designated agent with the US Copyright office, and putting up a page which lists the name, address and phone number (and possibly email address) of that designated agent.

Quite obviously, these sites are NOT DMCA compliant.

Aneros Josh 08-14-2007 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 12929484)
I assure you that I am the king of Spain.

See how easy it is to just say something?

DMCA compliance requires more than just putting up an email address. It requires registering a designated agent with the US Copyright office, and putting up a page which lists the name, address and phone number (and possibly email address) of that designated agent.

Quite obviously, these sites are NOT DMCA compliant.
I'm sorry, are you the site owner and/or legal representative? Please don't speak about what they did/didn't do unless you know for a FACT...not something you assume...bottom line is, they will remove any violating content within 24 hours and they have 2 full time employees to police the content on their sites. I'm done for tonight.

Libertine 08-14-2007 05:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FleshJosh (Post 12929500)
I'm sorry, are you the site owner and/or legal representative? Please don't speak about what they did/didn't do unless you know for a FACT...not something you assume...bottom line is, they will remove any violating content within 24 hours and they have 2 full time employees to police the content on their sites. I'm done for tonight.
I DO know for a FACT that they are not DMCA compliant.

You would know too, if you'd take the time to actually see what the DMCA is, and visit their sites after that.


http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Online...mitation _Act

The relevant text:
Quote:
?(2) Designated agent.?The limitations on liability established in this subsection apply to a service provider only if the service provider has designated an agent to receive notifications of claimed infringement described in paragraph (3), by making available through its service, including on its website in a location accessible to the public, and by providing to the Copyright Office, substantially the following information:

?(A) the name, address, phone number, and electronic mail address of the agent.

?(B) other contact information which the Register of Copyrights may deem appropriate. The Register of Copyrights shall maintain a current directory of agents available to the public for inspection, including through the Internet, in both electronic and hard copy formats, and may require payment of a fee by service providers to cover the costs of maintaining the directory.
Name, address, phone number and electronic mail address. And, not or. They do not have the name, address and phone number on their pages, therefore, they aren't compliant.

Pornwolf 08-14-2007 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 12929484)
I assure you that I am the king of Spain.

See how easy it is to just say something?

If you say this it must surely be true!


It's nice to meet you your royal highness!

Toreador 08-14-2007 05:32 PM
I'm honestly speechless.

Lance69 08-15-2007 12:23 PM
Fuck, now I gotta go through the trouble or removing all these links.
I'm brand new to the business side of this industry, but I'm a fast learner and also spent 10 years in the forces learning ethics, and how to shit or get off the pot. Fleshlight is taking a big steaming brown dump in the middle of this.
You are in the business of making money, fine, just admit that and let it die. Stop acting like everyone on GFY is just a stupid troll. It's insulting.
You can kill the accounts or just stop looking for adult affiliates. Simple. Where's the grey?
A site that attracts users with illegal content -> said site profits from fleshlight -> Fleshlight takes a wishy washy stance, and wants to continue to profit from other peoples work. That's all I needed to know, thanks for clearing that up.
:helpme

Aussie Rebel 08-15-2007 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TDF (Post 12929243)
here we grow again
and again for those that missed it

Violetta 08-15-2007 05:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12922269)
Someone graduated from Legendary Lars's school of how to handle copyright violation reports
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

jennym 08-15-2007 09:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toreador (Post 12929578)
I'm honestly speechless.
:disgust

Mr. Cool Ice 08-15-2007 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FleshJosh (Post 12929500)
bottom line is, they will remove any violating content within 24 hours and they have 2 full time employees to police the content on their sites. I'm done for tonight.
I am appauled at what I am reading in your thread.

I am a content producer. I make my living doing this, it is my full time job. I have been doing this for over 10 years and I have never felt such a hit as I do right now with the boom of these types of sites. My content is all over the torrents and as soon as they take it down, its back within a week.

To say that you will do business with someone because they will remove any stolen content within 24 hours is something that I can not wrap my head around. That means that you know they have stolen content, but if they are caught with it, as long as they take it down you are ok with that?

Please, please, please tell me you are part of a more ethical organization than that. If not, don't be surprised if someone throws a drink in your face at the next show.

xxxice 08-15-2007 09:12 PM
What crap :disgust:disgust:disgust

Brujah 08-17-2007 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12922577)
http://www.tnaflix.com/ I found AFF there, what do you t hink we need to do to get them to remove it :winkwink::Oh crap
Not just an advertiser, a cobranded partner too. Seen the Cams link?
http://tnaflix.streamray.com/

Scroto 08-17-2007 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 12947430)
Not just an advertiser, a cobranded partner too. Seen the Cams link?
http://tnaflix.streamray.com/
http://lars-cocks-small.streamray.com/ (has a pop up just fyi)

Brujah 08-17-2007 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroto (Post 12947527)
You do see the difference right? :1orglaugh

Scroto 08-17-2007 03:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 12947544)
You do see the difference right? :1orglaugh
yeah man lol :1orglaugh

cess 08-17-2007 04:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12922273)
If anyone knows of any torrent or tube sites that aren't filled with stolen content please point them out to me, as I'm not aware of any. Thanks :thumbsup
This is a pretty big thread so I didn't read it all. But there is quite a few sites that use torrents legally. One of the biggest companies I know of that uses torrents legally is blizzard, they use it for updating world of warcraft. I bet it's saved them a TON in bandwidth bills.

But there's also sites like these that use torrents legally.
http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php..._torrent_sites

stickyfingerz 08-17-2007 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cess (Post 12947804)
This is a pretty big thread so I didn't read it all. But there is quite a few sites that use torrents legally. One of the biggest companies I know of that uses torrents legally is blizzard, they use it for updating world of warcraft. I bet it's saved them a TON in bandwidth bills.

But there's also sites like these that use torrents legally.
http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php..._torrent_sites
Hush torrents are only evil... Cant be used for any good.... :winkwink:

borked 08-18-2007 10:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cess (Post 12947804)
This is a pretty big thread so I didn't read it all. But there is quite a few sites that use torrents legally. One of the biggest companies I know of that uses torrents legally is blizzard, they use it for updating world of warcraft. I bet it's saved them a TON in bandwidth bills.

But there's also sites like these that use torrents legally.
http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php..._torrent_sites
The biggest site I know that uses torrents to distribute content is the BBC. :2 cents:

Clearly, not all torrent-reliant sites are distributing stolen content, but the sites we're all talking about distribute stolen content as their whole raison d'être. Allowing your advertising on these sites and profiting from them is clearly supporting them to further growth.

micker 08-18-2007 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12922273)
If anyone knows of any torrent or tube sites that aren't filled with stolen content please point them out to me, as I'm not aware of any. Thanks :thumbsup

Linux Torrents
http://linux.mybookmarkmanager.com/

CurrentlySober 08-18-2007 11:03 AM
i like poo

Phoenix 10-19-2011 03:40 PM
interesting reading here

epitome 10-19-2011 03:42 PM
I vote appropriate bump!

DamianJ 10-19-2011 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 12951341)
i like poo
Really, you've been doing that since 2007?

CurrentlySober 10-19-2011 03:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradM (Post 12922905)
For the record BoyAlley loves chocolate pudding.
For the record... So do I... (and poo)

CurrentlySober 10-19-2011 03:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18502318)
Really, you've been doing that since 2007?
Well before 2007 mate...

I may be sick, perverted, disgusting and unpleasant... BUT I AM CERTAINLY CONSISTANT!! :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

arock10 10-19-2011 04:38 PM
lol awesome bump

INever 10-19-2011 04:48 PM
The way I read this, the sponsor promotes torrents but cans a guy getting organic search traffic.

19teenporn 10-19-2011 06:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aneros Josh (Post 12922297)
If you do it prior to contacting me, yes
What the fuck???

I mean, what the fuck?? Seriously.... What the fuck is wrong with these greedy unprofessional assholes???

L-Pink 10-19-2011 08:07 PM
I've started mugging their account reps, got one on a bike a few days ago.

.

Paul Markham 10-20-2011 01:09 AM
The day congress pass a law making the profiteers of piracy liable to be sued and subject to damages, watch the scum change their stance over night.

CurrentlySober 10-20-2011 04:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18502854)
I've started mugging their account reps, got one on a bike a few days ago.

.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

JohnRingo 10-20-2011 05:02 AM
Wow Josh. Way to represent flashlight and AEBN. Without this thread I wouldn't know how piss awful your company is. Thanks!


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