That's all true,most people won't ever use any of it. But it doesn't change the fact that it was all there to download.

My experience with authorized AUTODESK dealers is that they don't care whether or not you use it at home or at the office. It's $4k a seat.

If anyone really has the incentive and resources to go after these torrent sites it's companies like Autodesk.

Things are being done. I designed and implemented a solution that will work for any content owner and curb the problem. Putting finishing touches on the business plan.

True, but very little harm is being done. It probably isnt worth the effort. The time and money needed would not be worth stopping some mech engineering major from dicking around at home.

And what if that kid becomes good with it and decides he wants to start a business or gets a job using it? Surely he would now buy the software if he was starting a serious business and surely he is helping Autodesk by getting a job using it professionaly. So they let the kid play with it, he becomes interested and buys it or works for a company who buys it for him. It's a possible situation. And if he loses interest in it instead, so be it. Didn't hurt Autodesk.

I just don't see much harm done to companies who offer professional software that requires years of training and experience to use.

Heat translates to action, not email communications.

There is a simple solution. As a longtime Autodesk customer who has shelled out many thousands of dollars starting with R10 up to the current Inventor I am disappointed that their products are all available for free on these sites.
I will drop them a letter and let them know that.

i absolutely 100% agree with that... but the target should not primarily be piratebay.. they are definitely a special case for numerous reasons
but id say the majority of other torrents ain't as luckily situated as PB

Do you seriously think that the likes of warner bros, msn, aol and the other big named companys wouldent have allready filled lawsuites agaist them, if they knew they could win.

I still recieve tons of spam, so I guess the spam groups failed with that technique.

At least some actions are being taken, and things are happening.

BREIN Wins. Demonoid financials and ownership revealed and ceased.
http://www.slyck.com/story1533.html

Comcast Throttles BitTorrent Traffic, Seeding Impossible
http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-thro...ng-impossible/

the US had threatened to put Sweden on WTO’s blacklist because they didn’t take the Pirate Bay down.

A lot of Torrent related news here:
http://torrentfreak.com/

Yep I aggree we had the same with all the spam email, it hasent stop a thing, we all still get spam mail and thats illegal, the fact is the internet is just one big money making machine and people dont really care how they make it or who they rip off and i dont think that will ever change

Thank You.

:thumbsup

Don't mean to hijack this thread....but since it's related to this subject I hope
you don't mind me dropping a link to another thread

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=761731

They should be glad to have you as a loyal customer. I think anyone would. I see your point. Why should you pay for something which others are getting for free?

My answer to that is that you are probably profiting greatly from it. I'm not positive what your business is and how big of a role CAD software plays, but you are probably paying a fair price for the profits which you are generating from the help of their software. If you weren't, I doubt you'd keep using it.

I just don't see a reason to be upset about people not paying for something they don't use. Would you be upset if you just bought a Gallardo and then the next day, Gallardos were given to all the blind people in the US (assuming they didn't resell them or let their friends drive em ;) )? It's a totally ridiculous example, but it illustrates the point.

Eman, with due respect, 90% of the companies providing the actual connectivity are either based in the US or are owned by US companies. As such, to a greater or less extent, they can be touched by a DMCA because they have responsibilities as good corporate citizens in the US.

Example, is piratebay.org - "hosted" by p80.net, which is (shock) registered at Directnic. That would be a good place to send a DMCA.

P80.net is getting their connectivity (the route I get) from sprintlink. Spring comes up with an address in Kansas.

There are all sorts of fun places to deal with on this issue. If P80 / port80 / rix internet is not going to remove connectivity from pirate bay (and like pirate bay will try to hide behind lax swedish laws) then you get the US based companies that provide their connectivity to take the action that US law obliges them to take.

I understand completely how torrent sites work - but you miss the point. Without sites like piratebay, there would be no way for 99.9% of end users to find a single torrent to download. Hiding the actual links on disposible tracker domains (they often last only 48 hours) to artificially create a firewall of responsibility is something for the courts to argue about, in my opinion it clearly shows guilt of conscious.

Torrent "guides" work hand in hand with the trackers to provide the method and ability for people to distribute all forms of material, legal and illegal. Piratebay is hiding in Sweden because they know pretty much anywhere else they would get escorted to a cell with Bubba for recreation for the next few years. Again, shows a consciousness of guilt. If they thought they were right, they wouldn't be hiding under the ice in Sweden.

Alex,
I understand your point about hitting the US peering of torrent websites, however if it was as simple as sending a DMCA to Sprintlink, why is Piratebay still up while MPAA MSFT and the rest are after them? Are they just changing hosts? Hosts outside of the US usually have multiple peers inside the US or, sometimes the don't even peer directly with US companies. For example a Sweedish ISP might peer with Telia in EU which peers with Sprint in US which in turn peers with Comcast in US. You'd have to send DMCA notices to every company in the link.


Piratebay is indeed in Sweeden, registered though a German registrar, hosted by p80 in Sweeden which has the following peers:
http://www.fixedorbit.com/AS/16/AS16150.htm

Actually, if you look at your spam a little closer, you will see that spam groups and spam laws have had a huge effect on the spam you get every day.

A large percentage of the spam you get now is as a result of spyware installs on end user PCs and fairly complicated server hacks. Commercial spammers are a dying breed, severely limited in their work because they have a harder and harder time getting landing pages that work and sponsors that are willing to take the heat. Even companies that have accepted huge levels of spam before have dropped out of the game because the return is no longer worth the hassle.

Check your spam, large amounts of it now are either pump and dump stocks or semi-lame attempts to get your to install their spyware so they can send more pump and dump stocks and share infections. I just checked 10 pages of stuff on spamarrest, and pretty much all of it was pdf spam (attempt infections).

I like reading your posts Alex, you sound like a very switched on guy:thumbsup

Thanks for up to date knowledge. Let us know when it is time what to do.

This is not what I said, but regardless unless you see the outcome of a trial you can't be sure for anything and so far we're lacking of action. If an organization, person or a company within EU doesnt find justice they can proceed (although it will take time) to the supreme court of EU and any decision taken there is above any EU country's law and will be immediately enforced.

Eman, I think to some extent that RIAA and MPAA have tried to avoid playing whack-a-mole with the torrent sites. They have had major successes inside the US, to the point where there appears to be no torrent or torrent guide sites operating in the US, and they certainly don't last long if they pop up.

The torrent sites are down to hiding out in remote places hoping to get enough steps between themselves and responsible companies. I would be truly interested to hear what a company like Sprint would have to say face to this issue.

Thanks for up to date knowledge. Let us know when it is time what to do.

A1rek can attest to the fact that I have many things in motion that WILL make a difference. I strongly encourage anyone that has content that is in violation take notice and be prepared to commit to the steps to do something.

Anyone else that wants to help people will be needed for various parts of what is going on.

If you have any questions at all please get me on ICQ and I can give you more information. I don't feel proper giving out any information as to the legal steps of this as people associated are reading this right now.

Based on what I have seen in other threads in the last couple of days, there are more than a few operators of file yoinking sites that are around, all pissed of and indignant that we "don't understand web 2.0". For me it is the complete proof that these guys are about 1 or two sponsors away from a world of hurt.

I love the idea of a central board where we post copyright issues. Publicly outing company's is really the only true way of getting things done. But take is a step further and get a good law firm behind it also, so once the contents owners finds out about the infringement, they can simply do something about it.

I'm tired of sending out DMCA notices. They cost me time and money, to remove something that has already cost me money. It's time to sue and start making some of this back.

Hell, I send rapidshit a DMCA notice and before they can even respond to it I have 5 new infringements already up or after they take care of it.... (right) Someone just uploads it again under a different file name/ or encoding. I'm sick... I'm tired and I just want to do SOMETHING to get the ball rolling and take care of this issue once and for all. Why are we not going after the actual endusers that are uploading the content in the first place? Porn company's directly suiting some snot nosed shit directly would make the news...

Absolutely.

VG, Raw Alex, and Server Genius so far are undoubtedly three of the biggest advocates and supporters so far. These guys are way intelligent on this subject and they have some serious things in the works. :thumbsup

www.antipiracyboard.com

not a webmaster board. strictly about piracy.

Ron some of these guys are starting to do processing, what is Visa usa and eu's regs on this?

bookmarked. this is going to be interesting...

my vote for thread of the year goes to this thread, great thinking Ron and VG and everyone

bump for thread of the year :thumbsup

torrents are easy as hell to you.
you do have to be slightly above completely fucking dumb to use them

That's a damn good idea. I can't believe the multi-million dollar efforts of the RIAA and MPAA never thought of that!

You've fallen into the trap that their money makes them more intelligent. One thing's certain, do nothing and you get nothing. There's no harm in taking a crack at it.

I don't think anyone has brought up the Hague Convention in this thread. Don't think that the DMCA is not enforcable in other countries. We've used it several times with success. While not every country is a part of the Hague, many are. There are over 60 countries involved to date.

I can't post links yet, but simply google "hague convention" and "copyright laws". The Hague covers things such as international custody battles, copyright issues, and so much more.

We're happy to be "represented" on any filing.

Bookmarked. :thumbsup

Actualy howmuch i see those torrents which are complained by microsoft are removed,so i belive if you nicely ask torrents will be removed.

I like this thread

I'm sure a politely written remove request will work much better.
WG

Well howmuch i see most of those request for removal are legal threats so normaly they are pissed off and they dont want to remove content.