It's not about 70, nor 500 hits. It's about lieing scumbags, and their friends trying to argue that it's okay to be a lieing scumbag if you're their friend.

Otherwise this thread would have died about 50 posts ago.

That pretty much backs up Scroto's statement. 95 uniques 3 join hits? You're talking productivity of what, 3.5%? Most sites would ban you right away.

Why are you skimming hits to a sponsor anyway?

Anyway you've already made yourself look like a total retard with this thread, I can't believe Shemp keeps trying to help you with positive posts, kudos to him.

Oh and Scroto, I'd like to signup for a traffic trade :winkwink:

voyeurpost traffic is very productive, you are sending from a thumb that has nothing to do with the trade, if he let you trade with his site, it would only drive his productivity down, and his traffic would be worth less.

his trades come from textlinks, describing each link, that way no one is tricked into getting something they didnt want.

when singing up for a trade, when they say force x amount of hits, that doesnt mean they will add you.

and i dont know why you signed up to an amateur site when your site clearly isnt that.

If you run a gay tgp do you signup to a teen tgp?

Different niches, people visit voyeurpost cause of its hq amateur links.

Starting a war over not being added to a site because the quality of traffic is just silly.

Find a site that best suits your type of site, dont trade with sites that wouldn't do well with yours

c h i l l a x
 

I think they were just trying to help you out man....
If you send 60 hits somewhere and don't get anything back find a new trade :thumbsup

If it reads "send x hits to start trade" then it better damn well start it. Irrespective of how it seems to you, that's what the four corners read.

Because I don't think I'm any particular niche, and thus I don't care.

If you want to tell me that there's a bunch of people that have voyeurpost bookmarked and come check out the text links... Gimme a break.

Nothing to do with it. The thread is over the quality of people. The guy thinks I owe him something because he doesn't know me. I don't.

Well doh. They're doing fine, too. Somehow, everybody but this guy is doing just great with my traffic.

Just thought I'd save the next guy the trouble.

'fluffygrrl'

the point being, you didnt send x amount and when reviewed, you got deleted.

after your email you sent saying you would force x amount, i went and checked your site a few hours later. I clicked everything i could see and not once did i find that i was sent to voyeurpost.

You've still provided 0 proof that you sent anything at all. some sponsor hit stats mean nothing and are not relevant.

When you sign up to trade at a place, read all the rules. :2 cents:

many others have made some very good points and you should listen instead of bashing them :2 cents:

This is the problem with trading with big sites if your site is small stay within your own rank if your into trading traffic Im not anymore its way too hard to grow a site now from the ground up.

:thumbsup hit me up on icq with the domain :)

thats why i pointed them to a toplist thats separated from the tgp.

even told him in the email that i was unsure how the trade would even work :2 cents:

(btw fluffy, that was declined also)

You should update that rule to having people send at least 10,000 hits per day, to a sponsor of your choice for 3 months, rather than directly to your site. If they generate you at least 10 signups (1:1000 ratio) per day for 3 months straight, then you might consider trading with them, because only then will you know their traffic is of good enough quality to trade.

Holy cow. You dont think that people bookmark and return to a tgp or link site because they use text links?

Say it ain't so.

:1orglaugh
You just proved how dumb you really are. Shouldn't bitch over a few hundred hits anyways. That's the nature of trading, some sites just don't work out together. Doesn't always mean one site is trash, just move on and find more compatible trades.

funny thread!

SoS's sister?

Please don't tell thehun. He will be devastated.

LOLLL fluffygrrl


you should go back to geocities with
lolcunts.zenofeller.com

it fits

And he thought he was doing so well :(:( :upsidedow

What, and scrotum's the hun now, or some shit. Gimme a break.

He's not worth doing business with, not that it isn't transparent from this thread. End of discussion, really.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

fluffygrrl you will go far in this business :thumbsup

The new spacedog?

100.......

simply amazing it made it this far

That happens when you have an obsessive compulsive little bitch like fluffygrrl

didnt you read her last post ?
 

it is the ...

http://www.sexphotoblog.com/mother-scolding.jpg

All in all a very successfull drama thread.

Fuck the haters :D

Just wondering, are you blonde?

Successful in that 800 new people now know not to do business with you.

LOL only 800 ?

LOL only 800 ?

mabe just trisomik

LOL sorry for the laggy double post just before

Was just going on the current number of views for this thread :winkwink: I know it's not a unique number or anything.

You need to raise your standards. Your drama level is at the same level as your traffic quality.

Funny thread... fluffygrrl should be gone within 3 months.

Has the mentality of some people in a special newbie section of another board to me. Get 30 sales a month and think they got this game all figured out.

Did every head of the GFY tgp hydra post here yet or is anyone still missing ? Rollcall.

I remember sending like 20-30k a day to Ampland for a week before getting my first hit back :upsidedow

Fluffy, looks to me like you just learned your first lesson about traffic trading. Being, never trust anybody you don't know.

Frankly from Scroto's responses I'd never trade with him, his attitudes are common but he's not demonstrating much of a "give a shit" when it comes to being fair with his trading partners. However, I dabbled in traffic trading for awhile and quickly learned that there's a thousand scammers for every honest trader. To thrive in that game you have to be cynical, suspicious, and have an itchy trigger finger. Which means that it's generally not worth it for a small traffic generator to trade with the big boys unless you know them and know they have a fair rep (like, say, Shemp does). It's not that they set out to cheat you -- I'm sure Scroto's honest in his own mind -- it's just that they have been cheated so often and so badly that they don't really give a fuck if they happen to cheat random strangers in the name of protecting themselves. Especially when the random strangers are sending such tiny volumes of traffic that the economics really shouldn't matter to anybody.

What I learned when I was starting out and trying to trade my initial tiny trickles of traffic was that you just have to throw trades at the wall to see what sticks. Try a new trade, send your traffic, monitor the returns closely, write the traffic black holes like Scroto on your blacklist, and move on. It's not worth drama, you're just looking for trading partners who value your traffic. You'll find some eventually.

You'll see folks here who say "shaving doesn't matter -- I don't care if I get shaved, all I care about is that I get a return per click that makes me happy." Traffic trading is the same deal. Cast your bread upon the waters, see what returns, follow the deals that are working and ruthlessly kill the rest.

I still do things this way. I've got a high-traffic blog with tons of valuable search engine traffic. But I'm trying to make sure I'm not 100% reliant on the search engines, so a week or so ago, I initiated trades with two large toplist-style link lists in my niche. Both of them had a force requirement, I set up appropriate links to force the trades. One of them immediately started to return very rewarding volumes of traffic, presumably based on my extra high productivity. The other one never approved my trade. After three days, I sent a polite inquiry. After two more days, I pulled that link. Did that owner "steal" my traffic? Well, sorta; or, more likely, they are on vacation or something and never even noticed the trade signup. My clicks are gone, I got nothing back, but it's not drama-worthy. It's just how that particular shady corner of the biz works. Me, I'm ahead because I seem to have a long-term and valuable trade that I didn't have a week ago. That was the goal. That's how it works. Sometimes it sucks. But, if it were easy, everybody would be doing it, right?

To avoid issues like these contact the webmaster before doing anything. Agree on a trade and ask for confirmation when both links are up and when to start the force then monitor the trades that day and see the results. Signing up to open trades without first speaking to webmasters is not smart in my opinion. You don't know if they will approve you first. And second you don't form any kind of networking bond.

Oh, and I should add, it sounds like your beef with Scroto is more about communications than anything else -- if he thought your traffic was crap, he should have said so, sez you, instead of just killing the trade and silently accepting the traffic.

I remember when I used to feel that way. Then I ran a niche TGP for awhile. What I learned is that there are so many scammers, lamers, and freaks out there that it's IMPOSSIBLE to communicate with all of them. You can't find a polite way to say "no, piss off, go away, what part of no didn't you understand?" a thousand times a day, and there's NO MONEY in it for you if you could. You just have to silently delete / ban / ignore all the ripoff artists. Which means that once in blue moon you'll get a bewildered letter from an honest but clueless person going "why did you delete me and not say anything?"

My policy was to fix those "screwups" of mine and be nice about it, but I was small and the volume was rare. If I were dealing with 100k scammers a day and got 100 honest-but-clueless emails, I'd have to ignore those too. It's simply not possible to process them all.

Which is, I suspect, where Scroto's coming from. Note that I understand it, but I still don't condone it, especially once it's clear (as in this thread) that he was dealing with an honest-but-clueless person rather than the usual run of ripoff artist.

Yeah, that's what a webmaster with traffic should do -- I didn't only because I'm an impatient fuck who finds it easier and faster sometimes to throw some spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. However, for somebody with Fluffy's level of traffic it may be a waste of everybody's time to contact first and often. Trades that size *ought* to be automated, and there are still scripts that are open that way, if you look for them.

When I was first getting my blogs off the ground I did good business sending small trickles of productive traffic to some TGPs with open trade scripts. I would have been too sheepish to ask for attention for my eight clicks a day or whatever, but my eight clicks generated 20 at the TGP, I got ten or fifteen back, and they were folks in my niche who hadn't seen my blog before, so I'd get five bookmarks or whatever. Tiny business but everybody has to start somewhere!