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Violetta 08-30-2007 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 13008724)
All chicks like a good fisting every now and again...
or not... lol

Connor 08-30-2007 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gerco (Post 13009403)
You know, I've said it before and I'm saying it again. I'm sick of all this crap. Until there is something in print on the law books that specifically states what I'm doing is unlawful they can go fuck themselves. prosecute me to bankruptcy... bring it on. Sound like tough talk, not really. My living was made off it, without it I'm bankrupt anyways. Pulling all fisting would in effect shut me down, with no fanfare and little more than another empty page on the net. Prosecute me and at least I would go out fighting for what I believe is right and I would get a little public attention to it at the same time. I understand that this is a battle I may have to someday face, but ya know what? I'll face it. I really have nothing that they could take away from me... my freedom you say, maybe, but right now I live day to day worrying about how every bills going to be paid, worrying that those I love have enough to eat... Who's going to remember me in 2 years... 5 years, 50? If I become a footnote in some law book at least I leave a "little" history behind.

And this talking about crying to your attorney all the time... what the fuck do you THINK they are going to tell you? Attorneys are there to make money. They are interpreting what is law. They are trying to read between the lines,and unless something is in black and white, there is nothing that they can tell you for 100% certain.

Who the fuck am I? Nobody, your fucking nobody also, be it fisting, pissing, blowjobs, missionary sex whatever, the sooner you get it though your heads that the entire Porn industry is under constant attack and no matter what part of it you may be involved in, in the end we are all in this equal.

Ok, that's enough rant for now... go back to your regularly scheduled "would you hit this" threads.
Heh... you think the consequences of getting targeted ends with bankruptcy? I hope others don't think that's true too. The consequences for being convicted of distributing obscenity are potentially MUCH more severe than just financial ruin, although that too is definitely a possibility.

Connor 08-30-2007 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 13009746)
i strongly disagree.. many on GFY have or know others who have gone thru legal problems in one way or another, and often there are lawyers on the board also who will chime in with their perspective.

obscenity is a cloudy/grey area, fisting could be construed as obscene and would then be considered illegal, but if you are willing to go to trial and can prove that fisting is not obscene, then it would be legal..

the forum is a great place to discuss these issues. But everyone should ofcourse also consult their own legal counsil.
Well... knock yourself out then, don't know what to say. But the problem I see is that already there is so much misinformation in this thread... if someone makes the mistake of taking some of this for fact, the consequences could be anything from unfortunate to extremely severe.

tony286 08-30-2007 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 13010185)
lol funny pic. I was going to jump in and refer you to the Cambria List as well.

And agree that the grey-area stuff is frustrating when you're trying to make a business in adult. Make it black and white, and everyone knows where they stand. Much easier.
They want it grey easier to fuck you with it.Wouldn't be great if there was a list it would be very cut and dry but that will never happen. The government was going to regulate the movie industry then they self regulated and that saved them from that. That will never happen in porn, I also think since people dont see people getting arrested every day they assume its safe but its not its more like a evil lottery.

tony286 08-30-2007 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Connor (Post 13010637)
Well... knock yourself out then, don't know what to say. But the problem I see is that already there is so much misinformation in this thread... if someone makes the mistake of taking some of this for fact, the consequences could be anything from unfortunate to extremely severe.
If you speak to any usa lawyer they are going to tell you, you are playing with fire.

GAMEFINEST 08-30-2007 01:06 PM
i guess its not ...

Gerco 08-30-2007 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Connor (Post 13010626)
Heh... you think the consequences of getting targeted ends with bankruptcy? I hope others don't think that's true too. The consequences for being convicted of distributing obscenity are potentially MUCH more severe than just financial ruin, although that too is definitely a possibility.
Where did I say anything like that? I know exactly what COULD happen... so what. It's the chance I have to take for the only option I've been given. My choice. And, until it's definitively stated on the books that what I'm doing is wrong, then what I'm doing IS NOT WRONG.

How is it that fingering at all is even ok... what the fucks the difference between 1 finger... 4 5 8... it's all part of your hand. It's all doing the same thing. Just because party "A" has a bigger hole than party "B" and needs a little more in it, they should be put away... thats the logic here... or lack of. Willing consensual adults, enjoying their body in a way that pleases them should be left the fuck alone... go after some Actual criminals and quit trying to make a criminal out of someone thats not.

Grapesoda 08-30-2007 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by teenytricia (Post 13008685)
Did congress have a session on this one? I would like to read the transcripts on that..
fisting pic

http://www.wanton.com/image.gfy/fisting.jpg

DaddyHalbucks 08-30-2007 01:51 PM
Because it is an abominable and detestable crime against nature.

:1orglaugh

GreyWolf 08-30-2007 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by teenytricia (Post 13008720)
Ghost, so then it is illegal only where it is not accepted? i thought it was illegal like sex with a minor is illegal.
It does not need USC 22355 subsection 433(b) to declare "You shalt not fist. The penalty upon conviction for fisting is a maximum of 20 years imprisonment or $400,000 fine."

Welcome to the adult industry :thumbsup "Anything" can be illegal if a prosecutor elects to introduce charges of obscenity and a jury convict on that basis.

If you perhaps "don't feel good" at the prospect of showing twelve upstanding members of your local community a series of fisting videos and asking them whether they think they are obscene or not - maybe there is a problem :)

Ramos 08-30-2007 02:02 PM
It's illegal?

That sucks, there was a fisting bar I hit up a few times in the city years ago. :)

Good shit.

RayBonga 08-30-2007 02:04 PM
It's unAmerican not to love a good fisting! :thumbsup

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-30-2007 02:04 PM
What if the fister has really small hands, and the fistee, a really big butt?

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cones 08-30-2007 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by teenytricia (Post 13008685)
Why is fisting illegal
and why do they call it the land of the free?

Star 69 08-30-2007 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Angie77 (Post 13008732)
I never knew it was illegal?
Because you are newbie

Connor 08-30-2007 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Gerco (Post 13010845)
Where did I say anything like that? I know exactly what COULD happen... so what. It's the chance I have to take for the only option I've been given. My choice. And, until it's definitively stated on the books that what I'm doing is wrong, then what I'm doing IS NOT WRONG.

How is it that fingering at all is even ok... what the fucks the difference between 1 finger... 4 5 8... it's all part of your hand. It's all doing the same thing. Just because party "A" has a bigger hole than party "B" and needs a little more in it, they should be put away... thats the logic here... or lack of. Willing consensual adults, enjoying their body in a way that pleases them should be left the fuck alone... go after some Actual criminals and quit trying to make a criminal out of someone thats not.
Oh don't get me wrong... I have no problem with fisting. If that's what someone wants to do, all parties involved agree... I say, enjoy! I just think there's on display in this thread a lack of understanding of obscenity laws, how they ARE a threat and how the ARE NOT a threat.... and how they work. Hell, even the title of this thread is misinformation.

And for the record... I also think the state of the law is bullshit.

ronaldo 08-30-2007 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Connor (Post 13011685)
Oh don't get me wrong... I have no problem with fisting. If that's what someone wants to do, all parties involved agree... I say, enjoy! I just think there's on display in this thread a lack of understanding of obscenity laws, how they ARE a threat and how the ARE NOT a threat.... and how they work. Hell, even the title of this thread is misinformation.

And for the record... I also think the state of the law is bullshit.
Stop being such a serious ass already and post some of YOUR fisting pics. You know you like it.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-30-2007 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ronaldo (Post 13011709)
Stop being such a serious ass already and post some of YOUR fisting pics. You know you like it.
The Commander-in-Fist:

http://cryptome.org/bush-fist-04.jpg

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DWB 08-30-2007 11:13 PM
I had a shit load of one of my DVDs returned from a very large buyer because for TWO SECONDS the guys thumb disappeared. The unwritten rule is, NO THUMBS. During the edit we thought we cut all of that out but you just cant see 100% of his thumb for 2 fucking seconds.

In case you are wondering, we had 2 hands and a cock up an asshole.

Now... it was ok to have 4 fingers from 2 different people AND a huge cock up her ass, but when one of the guys twisted his thumb out of sight for 2 seconds, lord have mercy!!!

bDok 08-30-2007 11:26 PM
fisting is mellow.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-31-2007 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 13013020)
I had a shit load of one of my DVDs returned from a very large buyer because for TWO SECONDS the guys thumb disappeared. The unwritten rule is, NO THUMBS. During the edit we thought we cut all of that out but you just cant see 100% of his thumb for 2 fucking seconds.

In case you are wondering, we had 2 hands and a cock up an asshole.

Now... it was ok to have 4 fingers from 2 different people AND a huge cock up her ass, but when one of the guys twisted his thumb out of sight for 2 seconds, lord have mercy!!!
Umm...no picture necessary... :throwup

You knows I loves you DWB, but DAYUM, you into some nasty sh*t dude!!!

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Fizzgig 08-31-2007 12:34 AM
I never was one who enjoyed that particular niche.

wyldworx 08-31-2007 01:13 AM
why would it matter? If you really like to fist then gagging would act as a muting agent.

The Sultan Of Smut 08-31-2007 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ronaldo (Post 13009405)
-No black men-white women themes
LOL WTF century is this anyway?

JP-pornshooter 08-31-2007 10:34 AM
i know of atleast one US program who have fisting content on their site, would it be appropriate to mention it here ? this is a respectable program too with big names and hot girls and no hardcore.. just solo and the fisting..

Chroma 08-31-2007 10:35 AM
Allegedly, If one was good at getting their fist into their gf, she would hypothetically claim that, "it is the most intense feeling" she had ever had... further, that it forced her to 'orgasm constantly until the fist was removed'. With that big of an object in the vagina, the G-spot, all of the vaginal wall as well as the cervix is constantly stimulated. Any of these areas can produce orgasm when stimulated individually, so obviously the intensity would be increased when all are simultaneous. Add a tongue to the labia and clitoris and her insanity is guaranteed. Female genitalia is amazingly resilient in that even after a fist or even delivering a baby, intercourse still produces friction. However, in the case of fisting, like anal sex or any sex, would obviously have to be consensual, very conscientious on the penetrator's part, slow and WELL lubricated. :2 cents:

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-31-2007 10:46 AM
Would this be considered oral sex to a fister?

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/...4_fistgirl.jpg

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DaddyHalbucks 08-31-2007 11:05 AM
Is obscenity an outdated concept?

If you guys were in charge of writing the sex laws, how would they read?

Would everything be OK except CP?

Dirty Dane 08-31-2007 11:07 AM
Congress voting on fisting? :1orglaugh

ronaldo 08-31-2007 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13015098)
Is obscenity an outdated concept?

If you guys were in charge of writing the sex laws, how would they read?

Would everything be OK except CP?
Therein lies the problem. The ONLY sensible and clear cut law that could be written would be making everything that is consensual legal, except CP. As soon as you draw a line in the sand, someone will always try to move it backwards or forwards.

ronaldo 08-31-2007 11:38 AM
There are many in the industry who believe that producers like Rob Black and Max Hardcore deserve whatever they get and bring the industry into the feds radar. I used to be one of them. Now I'm thankful that they're standing up to the authorities because if THEY lose, what's next? Interracial? Gangbangs? Gay? It could be something that WE as an industry may deem entirely acceptable, but those OUTSIDE see as obscene. We'd get no sympathy because in their eyes, WE'D be getting what WE deserve.

The definition of obscene is simply too vague because if you put 10 people in a room, you could very well get 10 different answers. If you put the same 10 people in a room, they could all tell you what constitutes murder though...unless of course one of them is a lawyer. (edit-how can a judge give instructions about what's obscene to a jury?)

Community Standards is even more ridiculous. So one day your community deems what we do as acceptable. Then a bunch of the hardcore moral majority move into your neighborhood and it's all of a sudden illegal??

One reason you'll never see a black and white scenario on the books is because the lawyers wouldn't allow it...not even the ones on our side. If they did, they'd be out of work. We'd all know what we could and couldn't do and wouldn't need a high priced attorney on retainer who can spew nothing more than his INTERPRETATION of the law.

riabanana 08-31-2007 11:41 AM
That's a whole bunch of crap.

PantiesDropped 08-31-2007 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 13008724)
All chicks like a good fisting every now and again...
hahaha...:thumbsup yeah we do..

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-31-2007 01:15 PM
http://ghetto.hjsoft.com/icons/anal%20cat.jpg

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mikesouth 08-31-2007 01:19 PM
I am SHOCKED at how many people here do not understanfd the first thing about US Obscenity law

NOTHING is illegal until a jury declares it obscene and you are convicted for it.
period
end of story

CP is the only thing that is "illegal"

Tom_PM 08-31-2007 01:42 PM
I mean think of it. You get brought up on obscenity charges because you sold a dvd online to a person who ordered it from their living room in a plain brown box to their mailbox (note: not 1 single person in the community knows a damn thing). Now for some reason, community standards are applied and a jury is *forced* to watch your fetish in the courtroom, and decide FOR YOU if you're allowed to watch it.


Sound fair?

trishauptown 09-04-2007 05:54 PM
I actually get hired for fisting job all the time.....I have small hands!! I have been fisted before......it is actually not painful at all.......you take your time and it is ver sensual and erotic. I have done two live fisting shows.......one way back when at the ia2000 show at one of the parties.

DWB 09-04-2007 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 13015708)
I am SHOCKED at how many people here do not understanfd the first thing about US Obscenity law

NOTHING is illegal until a jury declares it obscene and you are convicted for it.
period
end of story

CP is the only thing that is "illegal"
Isn't it illegal to fuck another man in the ass down in your neck of the woods? I know somewhere down there sodomy is illegal, or at least was not too long ago.

DWB 09-04-2007 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by trishauptown (Post 13033992)
I actually get hired for fisting job all the time.....I have small hands!! I have been fisted before......it is actually not painful at all.......you take your time and it is ver sensual and erotic. I have done two live fisting shows.......one way back when at the ia2000 show at one of the parties.
You got fisted in my bed once. :thumbsup Good times.

Miss ya.

ronaldo 09-04-2007 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by trishauptown (Post 13033992)
I have been fisted before
I'm not sure I can believe that without visual proof. Please post video.


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