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BusterBunny 08-30-2007 01:10 PM

damn it :disgust

pr0 08-30-2007 01:14 PM

seems to me this guy was asking a favor....from someone who has asked for favors in the past

you're just a punk ass rat for posting this ICQ log

but you don't look great in this either brad......think you lost your temper too quickly

anyways, this is just fucking embarrassing for all people involved

but the real person at blame here, would be the bitch ass rat posting icq logs

Sen 08-30-2007 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0 (Post 13010748)
but the real person at blame here, would be the bitch ass rat posting icq logs

U are so true there they used to run to their mommy now they run to GFY

D 08-30-2007 01:19 PM

Anyone thought of asking someone who works for the affiliate program in question whether they think it's fraudulent or not?

Name the program.

StuartD 08-30-2007 01:24 PM

That's Brad for you... all friendly to my face but the moment his bro DH had a beef with me, Brad's Mr Hyde came out swinging at me... hoping DH would take notice and make his ass available for further puckers.

He's as two faced as they come. Don't bend over backwards for him or anyone he is trying to be bro's with and he'll either "meet you face to face" about it or start trashing your name in random threads.

Profits of Doom 08-30-2007 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D (Post 13010793)
Anyone thought of asking someone who works for the affiliate program in question whether they think it's fraudulent or not?

Name the program.

I spent a LONG time involved with that industry, and referring players that have no intention of playing to get a bonus payout is always considered fraudulent. I don't know of a single casino that will tolerate it in the hopes of attracting even one customer. Something is odd about the site he was referring to, casino777royal.com, to begin with because it is a brand new page and tries to install it's casino software no matter which button you click...

pocketkangaroo 08-30-2007 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Dave (Post 13010304)
Well ya never know. Someone may deposit $20 bucks and get paid $100 from Brad. And then end up trying out the casino and becoming a customer and spending alot of money.

And someone might get paid $10 to sign up for your trial by a scamming affiliate and decide he likes the site. As someone who handles an affiliate program, I can't fathom how you can take this stance.

I don't have a dog in this race, I don't know either party. But I've pushed traffic to casinos in the past in large sums. You would be thrown out of every single affiliate program I've ever come across for this. It's the #1 rule in the TOS of every affiliate program. You can say their policies are dumb, that they don't know how to "market", but that rule is black and white with every casino I've ever seen. Since affiliate payouts can be as much as $200, this problem of fraud is prevelent in online casinos and they ban affiliates all the time for it.

ro8in 08-30-2007 01:31 PM

Fucking IRC #gamezkidz channel conversation here.. This is the first time since months I'm reading all reply's hahaha!!! i'm loving it :)

/log > c:\trashtalk.txt

baddog 08-30-2007 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13010272)
casinos are different than adult sites. if i deposit that 20, i am definitely playing it. if i ever want to gamble online again, there's a good chance i'll use a casino that i've used before, even more likely to use a casino that i used last.

that is the value and that's why it's worth it for a casino to pay on those leads. adult sites are an entirely different ballgame.

Your logic is inane.

Profits of Doom 08-30-2007 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13010851)
And someone might get paid $10 to sign up for your trial by a scamming affiliate and decide he likes the site. As someone who handles an affiliate program, I can't fathom how you can take this stance.

I don't have a dog in this race, I don't know either party. But I've pushed traffic to casinos in the past in large sums. You would be thrown out of every single affiliate program I've ever come across for this. It's the #1 rule in the TOS of every affiliate program. You can say their policies are dumb, that they don't know how to "market", but that rule is black and white with every casino I've ever seen. Since affiliate payouts can be as much as $200, this problem of fraud is prevelent in online casinos and they ban affiliates all the time for it.

Very well said...

lazycash 08-30-2007 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum ChrisM (Post 13009925)
I don't think Brad is trying to fraud a poker site. What this looks like to me, is a CPA campaign media buy with the site, with a min $20 deposit. Its nothing more than incentivized traffic being sent to the site to complete the buy.

All I gotta say is, $20 min deposits now? Wow, they must really be hurting.

Are you really that naive, its defrauding an affiliate program. Oh wait, you represent the company that doesn't seem to mind paying affiliates who incentivize signups to your company via warez downloads.

baddog 08-30-2007 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Dave (Post 13010444)
Casinos scam people everyday.

Justification?

ServerGenius 08-30-2007 01:42 PM

It's the Aliens their fault......bring in the tinfoil hats

candyflip 08-30-2007 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 13010704)
yes i know..i lost my cool today

it happens

im backing away from the computer

tomorrow is another day

all this is shit..it isnt even me

You've acted like this before, and I'm sure you will again. Don't bullshit yourself. This IS so you. :1orglaugh

Phoenix 08-30-2007 01:52 PM

guys...nothing shady here

i regularly test sponsor accounts for shaving

i never thought this thread would turn into defrauding bullshit

if they dont like the traffic...trust me someone else will take it

i ran my cards and used my ip
i wanted an ip on the other side of the world to try
we see all joins...so anyone thinking of sending to them

not bad registration to signup ratio

Zorgman..can take a hike...he could have used that 80 bucks for groceries i bet as well..ah well. StuartD love you man
im now 100% done in here

KimJI 08-30-2007 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 13010981)
guys...nothing shady here

i regularly test sponsor accounts for shaving

i never thought this thread would turn into defrauding bullshit

if they dont like the traffic...trust me someone else will take it

i ran my cards and used my ip
i wanted an ip on the other side of the world to try
we see all joins...so anyone thinking of sending to them

not bad registration to signup ratio

Zorgman..can take a hike...he could have used that 80 bucks for groceries i bet as well..ah well. StuartD love you man
im now 100% done in here

so now its for testing? you started out by saying it was to get your friend up in the next commission bonus group. "this is not for me...this is helping someone else reach a lage bonus payout"

Like you said, you ran your card and used your IP. So you needed someone from somewhere else to do it, so you didnt get caught?

beemk 08-30-2007 02:07 PM

sounds like he was trying to do the same kind of scam as if a sponsor had a contest for 10 signups, and i said "hey sign up for this trial for $2.95 and ill paypal you $20" to 10 different people.

not to mention hes unprofessional as fuck, and if i was his boss he would have been fired for talking to affiliates like that.

Phoenix 08-30-2007 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 13011003)
so now its for testing? you started out by saying it was to get your friend up in the next commission bonus group. "this is not for me...this is helping someone else reach a lage bonus payout"

Like you said, you ran your card and used your IP. So you needed someone from somewhere else to do it, so you didnt get caught?

ratios were dropping big fucking time....we tested and saw all money put in

so they arent shaving..unless they somehow know who is coming in

i started out by trying not to say anything but the usual board crap

then people started in with theories

goodbye

Phoenix 08-30-2007 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beemk (Post 13011046)
sounds like he was trying to do the same kind of scam as if a sponsor had a contest for 10 signups, and i said "hey sign up for this trial for $2.95 and ill paypal you $20" to 10 different people.

not to mention hes unprofessional as fuck, and if i was his boss he would have been fired for talking to affiliates like that.

send me a click..or even let me know you are trying and i will talk with you about your bad situation everyday for four years

just lie and say you will try..he was asked many times...he wasnt interested

im nice as pie to absolutely everyone except the people who are wasting my time and are not even interested in trying.

KimJI 08-30-2007 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 13011059)
ratios were dropping big fucking time....we tested and saw all money put in

so they arent shaving..unless they somehow know who is coming in

i started out by trying not to say anything but the usual board crap

then people started in with theories

goodbye

I don't believe that story for a second :2 cents:

baddog 08-30-2007 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13010654)
yea brad, i have to admit at first i thought someone hacked your icq.

That was my initial thought too . . . was surprised to read that it really was him.

Phoenix 08-30-2007 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 13011118)
That was my initial thought too . . . was surprised to read that it really was him.

i lost my cool

for that part i already did apologize to him


other then that..im happy..man what a time waster he was

KimJI 08-30-2007 02:25 PM

http://www.microgaming.com/partner.php is the program they use if you want to be rich like Brad

tenderobject 08-30-2007 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Dave (Post 13010212)
I remember your name yes.

You said no and Brad said...


Brad : okie dude...dont worry i wont give you $80 bucks then
Brad : lol
Brad : goodbye

That's not ending a friendship.

i think you missed something

Brad : dont be asking me for any bullshit tips for your sites anymore..im blocking you

StuartD 08-30-2007 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 13011133)
i lost my cool

for that part i already did apologize to him


other then that..im happy..man what a time waster he was

Professional till the last..... by the way, you "lose your cool" almost daily. Idiot.

tenderobject 08-30-2007 02:37 PM

oh fuck gfy is acting up.. will post my sig here.. love the broclub threads

scottybuzz 08-30-2007 02:46 PM

you can spin it anyway, but the bottom line is its cheating

If its not allowed, its not allowed, profit or not.


pretty funny thread though how something so small get so big :thumbsup :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

TG Rebecca 08-30-2007 03:35 PM

it appears the OP is being joejobbed now with his site and his sponsor links.

:Oh crap

Tempest 08-30-2007 03:42 PM

Anyone else notice that Phoenix has slowly been becoming more and more an asshole... Looks like he's having some sort of meltdown..

It's interesting to see who's in here doing the defending... validating the impressions about who's shady...

BradM 08-30-2007 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 13010642)
No offense Brad, but you don't help your case sounding like a 14-year old IRC chat room warrior :2 cents:

Yeah, he IS a 14 year old IRC chat room warrior. He just threatens and puffs his chest. He's a big loontard.

KrisKross 08-30-2007 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Dave (Post 13010304)
Well ya never know. Someone may deposit $20 bucks and get paid $100 from Brad. And then end up trying out the casino and becoming a customer and spending alot of money.

Next time you guys run a promo for X amount of signups, I'll get all my friends to join through trial links. You never know, one might end up liking your cookie cutter sites and recur for a lifetime!

Between this and your attitude toward your sites being promoted on warez sites, you guys aren't looking too good lately.

BradM 08-30-2007 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 13011476)
Anyone else notice that Phoenix has slowly been becoming more and more an asshole... Looks like he's having some sort of meltdown..

It's interesting to see who's in here doing the defending... validating the impressions about who's shady...

He's completely mentally unstable. Anyone can see that by reading his posts in this thread and any other. This industry really nurtures the fuck ups.

Guy frauds a casino, and somehow you are supposed to trust him with your traffic while he is a rep? Any credibility you gave him should be gone.

Phoenix: You're insane. I hope you realize that. Seek help. Idiot.

BradM 08-30-2007 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisKross (Post 13011483)
Next time you guys run a promo for X amount of signups, I'll get all my friends to join through trial links. You never know, one might end up liking your cookie cutter sites and recur for a lifetime!

Between this and your attitude toward your sites being promoted on warez sites, you guys aren't looking too good lately.

Platinum Dave has never looked good. Don't kid yourself. But they have a lot of cash and a LOT of bros, so they are in no danger of losing anything by being fuckups.

OzMan 08-30-2007 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0 (Post 13010748)
seems to me this guy was asking a favor....from someone who has asked for favors in the past

you're just a punk ass rat for posting this ICQ log

but you don't look great in this either brad......think you lost your temper too quickly

anyways, this is just fucking embarrassing for all people involved

but the real person at blame here, would be the bitch ass rat posting icq logs

Nope. I am glad he posted it. I am sure he wouldn't have done so if Brad had acted with a bit of professionalism instead of not respecting the guy's wish not to use his credit card and then basically saying "well fuck you then" at the end.

He even denied the ICQ log was real until the screencap was posted :error

Giving him free site advice means he owes you a favor involving money/ entering a CC etc? I don't think so.

Remember Brad you approached him.

Your true colors came out even to the end where you added a barb to your fake apology...:1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix
i lost my cool

for that part i already did apologize to him


other then that..im happy..man what a time waster he was
you shoulda stopped when your hole was only a couple feet deep :error

Tempest 08-30-2007 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisKross (Post 13011483)
Between this and your attitude toward your sites being promoted on warez sites, you guys aren't looking too good lately.

Lately??? Anyone else remember them running the ransomeware exits on their sites???

esnem 08-30-2007 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 13010862)
Your logic is inane.

my logic is over your head :winkwink:

Deej 08-30-2007 04:54 PM

Brad called me a noobie to my face, Well, I showed him....

hungry hungry hippy 08-30-2007 05:23 PM

they run a nice ship

StarkReality 08-30-2007 05:24 PM

Great thread, this is one of the moments I know my decision to push my mainstream business and get out of adult the next years is perfectly right.

No day without a new all time low, too bad, broaward.com is already taken.

Profits of Doom 08-30-2007 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 13011059)
ratios were dropping big fucking time....we tested and saw all money put in

so they arent shaving..unless they somehow know who is coming in

i started out by trying not to say anything but the usual board crap

then people started in with theories

goodbye

Dude, the domain on the casino site you listed was registered 3 days ago. How can the the ratios drop from nothing? Why would you tell someone you are doing something shady (helping a "friend" reach a bonus) to cover up something that wouldn't be shady (testing ratios)? I have no clue why I would even give a shit, but you are completely lying here...

chodadog 08-30-2007 07:29 PM

Worst rep ever. Brad/Phoenix asks the guy for a favour, the guy says no for whatever reason and is perfectly polite about it and Brad flips out and has a tantrum and supposedly blocks the guy. Great program rep Lion Dollars have their.

Then consider what he was asking him to do and ask him how it's any different than hitting up a bunch of your buddies and promising them $10 or $20 for signing up to a site with $1 trials, having a look around, downloading a bunch of shit and canceling the membership before the trial ends?

It's theft. Simple as that. Anyone who can't see it is a fucking idiot. And the idea that it's somehow different because it's a casino is a ridiculous idea. This isn't some ad on a site giving would be gambling surfers an extra financial incentive to sign up. This is cold-calling other webmasters and asking them to deposit funds into a casino account to make fraudulent profit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Dave (Post 13010304)
Well ya never know. Someone may deposit $20 bucks and get paid $100 from Brad. And then end up trying out the casino and becoming a customer and spending alot of money.

By that logic, it's totally okay for me to get friends to signup for trial memberships to platinum bucks sites using my referral code and telling them if they cancel their trials before they convert into a monthly membership I'll give them $15. After all, If i get 10 friends to do it, 1 might have a look around and think "wow this site is awesome" and could remain a member for the next 3 years! Wow!

So, is it okay for me to promote Platinum Bucks like this? Eagerly awaiting your response. Got a line of friends waiting with their credit cards in hand and an affiliate link code in their browsers.

Do you still think it's okay to defraud a casino affiliate program in the same way?

Zorgman 08-30-2007 08:33 PM

We do not condone the posting of this type of message real or fake on GFY. No matter your situation if the issue comes up that is of this manner please take legal actions, and keep it off GFY.

beemk 08-30-2007 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodadog (Post 13012375)
Worst rep ever. Brad/Phoenix asks the guy for a favour, the guy says no for whatever reason and is perfectly polite about it and Brad flips out and has a tantrum and supposedly blocks the guy. Great program rep Lion Dollars have their.

Then consider what he was asking him to do and ask him how it's any different than hitting up a bunch of your buddies and promising them $10 or $20 for signing up to a site with $1 trials, having a look around, downloading a bunch of shit and canceling the membership before the trial ends?

It's theft. Simple as that. Anyone who can't see it is a fucking idiot. And the idea that it's somehow different because it's a casino is a ridiculous idea. This isn't some ad on a site giving would be gambling surfers an extra financial incentive to sign up. This is cold-calling other webmasters and asking them to deposit funds into a casino account to make fraudulent profit.



By that logic, it's totally okay for me to get friends to signup for trial memberships to platinum bucks sites using my referral code and telling them if they cancel their trials before they convert into a monthly membership I'll give them $15. After all, If i get 10 friends to do it, 1 might have a look around and think "wow this site is awesome" and could remain a member for the next 3 years! Wow!

So, is it okay for me to promote Platinum Bucks like this? Eagerly awaiting your response. Got a line of friends waiting with their credit cards in hand and an affiliate link code in their browsers.

Do you still think it's okay to defraud a casino affiliate program in the same way?

a fucking men

pocketkangaroo 08-30-2007 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman (Post 13012592)
We do not condone the posting of this type of message real or fake on GFY. No matter your situation if the issue comes up that is of this manner please take legal actions, and keep it off GFY.

Damn, that'd be real low if true.

baddog 08-30-2007 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman (Post 13012592)
We do not condone the posting of this type of message real or fake on GFY. No matter your situation if the issue comes up that is of this manner please take legal actions, and keep it off GFY.

I hope this is a joke.

will76 08-30-2007 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 13009806)
the only reason i ever spoke to you was to calm y ou down causeyou were bitching about someone else

then you latched on like a leech

wow so insulting the guy is your defense? the first couple posts from you are insults and you have nothing to say about soliciting someone to make fake signups to a casino program.

will76 08-30-2007 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Dave (Post 13010014)
Brad is doing a favour for someone else.

Deposit $20 get $100 in return.

I don't see why a conversation like that needs to be posted on GFY for everyone to see.

Is everyone still in highschool on this chat board? grow up will ya.

it is funny that everyone runs to gfy but at the same time it is healthy and what the industry needs. If people don't do shady things then there is nothing for them to worry about. If they are clean the worst you should see posted about them is from fake nicks.

I am non biased in this as i know niether parties. From your comments you sound like you are either biased or really miss the bigger picture here. For a rep to hit up one of their affiliates (regardless if he sends 1 hit or 1000000 hits), for some type of scheme, thats not acting professional. To top it off and tell the guy you want help him any more because he wont "help his friend make a big bonus" (which sounds like making a fake signup) I think that says even more about the person's character and his worth as a rep.

That is the exact kind of stuff that should be brought to light on GFY so everyone knows who they are dealing with. If you are a good guy and are a professional you wouldn't have anything to worry about Pull shit like that and I hope people post about it 10 out of 10 times. :2 cents:

Platinum Dave 08-30-2007 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodadog (Post 13012375)
Worst rep ever. Brad/Phoenix asks the guy for a favour, the guy says no for whatever reason and is perfectly polite about it and Brad flips out and has a tantrum and supposedly blocks the guy. Great program rep Lion Dollars have their.

Then consider what he was asking him to do and ask him how it's any different than hitting up a bunch of your buddies and promising them $10 or $20 for signing up to a site with $1 trials, having a look around, downloading a bunch of shit and canceling the membership before the trial ends?

It's theft. Simple as that. Anyone who can't see it is a fucking idiot. And the idea that it's somehow different because it's a casino is a ridiculous idea. This isn't some ad on a site giving would be gambling surfers an extra financial incentive to sign up. This is cold-calling other webmasters and asking them to deposit funds into a casino account to make fraudulent profit.



By that logic, it's totally okay for me to get friends to signup for trial memberships to platinum bucks sites using my referral code and telling them if they cancel their trials before they convert into a monthly membership I'll give them $15. After all, If i get 10 friends to do it, 1 might have a look around and think "wow this site is awesome" and could remain a member for the next 3 years! Wow!

So, is it okay for me to promote Platinum Bucks like this? Eagerly awaiting your response. Got a line of friends waiting with their credit cards in hand and an affiliate link code in their browsers.

Do you still think it's okay to defraud a casino affiliate program in the same way?



This thread is still going on...

It's called sticking up for a friend. Even when sometimes they say and do stupid things. People make mistakes sometimes. Brad has admited to his mistakes and apologized, but everyone seems more then willing to kick someone when they are down.

Good night everyone.

will76 08-30-2007 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Dave (Post 13010137)
No wouldn't accept that.

The casino is offering up big bonuses if a client refers other people.

So Brad is referring other people. If your not interested then simply say no thanks not interested. Life it to short to stress over small things.

wow, i will pay you $80 to make a $20 signup so obviously the casino can pay out more than $80 to the affiliate for the sale = scam. That's not markerting

Clickcash bans people all the time for that. I've seen it more than a few times where people are saying sign up to the cam site and I will pay you $20 and that person gets paid $40 from the company. So scammer 1 makes $20 scammer 2 makes $20 and the company gets screwed.

very shady.

baddog 08-30-2007 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Dave (Post 13012694)
This thread is still going on...

It's called sticking up for a friend. Even when sometimes they say and do stupid things. People make mistakes sometimes. Brad has admited to his mistakes and apologized, but everyone seems more then willing to kick someone when they are down.

Good night everyone.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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