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I'm presuming Joe isn't an affiliate with any company whatsoever for him NOT to be getting screwed at all. If you have ANY page on the web - then I'm afraid that there's no way to be immune by their redirect on users who have it on their computers.

I'd try to redirect the users with Zango to a different domain so you can track how many people in your network of sites really ARE infected (oops - I mean, have IT installed) and see what amount of people can possibly be redirected. This not only affects you, but it affects every advertiser on your sites, buyer of your traffic and people who trade with you - EVEN if you stopped using them.

The fact that you DID use them, just confirms that you've allowed them to spread it on more computers and in turn, potentially screwing more webmasters, affiliates, program owners of more potential earnings - but
I guess you knew that already.

If you are trying to rectify - (which I didn't get the sense that you were stopping in this thread yet) - but I'll assume you have good intentions, then keep whatever money you did earn rather than donate it and then put a warning on your network that will inform your surfers how to remove it if they choose to do so.

In the long run - the earnings you did make will be overshadowed by the future *potential* earnings that will be redirected from you.

thats a nice way to put it. thank god we have some well spoken people with class on here when it comes to how they reply to people. I wish i could control myself a little more when i reply.

to add to what she said, he infact does screw himself since one of his urls is being bid on by someone using zango. So every +1 computer he helped to infect is that many more people that are unlikely to make it to his site. Also, to emphesis on what you said, that even though he is not an affiliate it is not good business to help spread zango that hurts the people he trades with. I heard he has AFF on his site, for every person he helps to infect with zango now when that person goes to AFF they will end up on SexSearch, so he is not only hurting himself, but AFF etc..

and he is definetly not taking the right approach with this by provoking people to fight with him to just tell them he doesnt need them and arguing online if for retards. someone needs to step away from the keyboard and get their head together on this issue and put their pride away for a little while and try to make an intelligent decission on how to handle this issue going forward.

He CLEARLY doesn't care about the quality of his traffic.

Zango infected traffic is worth exactly $0.00

Am I needed here? Anyone want a nice jump!! :thumbsup

Useless post!!

Joe, the only way to fix this is to advise your bookmarkers & visitors that their computers are infected & advise them how to get rid of it.

You don't have to redirect anything except the zango infected users.. Put up a page to show these users how to rid their pc of zango & explain to them what zango really is.. you can via .htaccess & other means sniff out which users are infected & have these infected users sent to a page to uninstall/clean up.

good ideas

on another note, isn't it sad that companies ruin the surfer's naive banner clicking trust making them that much harder of a sell for everybody, on top of stealing and thieving

Zango sucks :mad:

Sadly, some of the more recent Zango installs apparently no longer announce their presence, which means it is harder to filter them off.

A traffic broker selling traffic to Zango is like playing russian roulette with 6 bullets. You know it won't be long before you do yourself serious harm.

I agree with spacedog. I'm scared. Someone hold me.

Joe, the only way to fix this is to advise your bookmarkers & visitors that their computers are infected & advise them how to get rid of it.

You don't have to redirect anything except the zango infected users.. Put up a page to show these users how to rid their pc of zango & explain to them what zango really is.. you can via .htaccess & other means sniff out which users are infected & have these infected users sent to a page to uninstall/clean up.

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Their model is based around screwing over webmasters. They take traffic that comes to my site, traffic that i've worked hard for and then instead of these people seeing my advertisements while using my bandwidth and viewing my content, they get zango's pop ups over top of everything. How is that not screwing me over? If they want to pop up ads, thats fine but don't do it on my websites.

I understand people are upset, but shouldn't the goal be to stop people from helping Zango? He has stated he won't allow them to advertise anymore and admitted making a mistake. I'm not defending him, just saying there are much worse people out there. You gave him shit, he isn't promoting them anymore, mission accomplished.

Before I pass judgement like so many others before me... can someone TECHNICALLY explain why Zango is a problem? I don't want dramatics, I want hard facts and sources why everyone thinks Zango is so bad.

They've never screwed me over, so technically they didn't even need a 2nd chance.

To me, a bunch of people on here are asking childish. They'd rather lynch and ask questions later.

"I ripped off people every day. I made millions. But now I feel bad, so I won't rip them off anymore. But I will keep the money".

Sounds cool.

Yeah, $500 really is so much like a million dollars. It's fucking pocket change... is that what you want to bitch about... pocket change?!

And didn't I say I wasn't going to keep it?!

Look at the size of those fucking hands!

Um, please show us where he humbly said he made a mistake, everyone is pissed at him because of his hard headed "fuck you all" attitude and inability to understand how Zango negatively affects his own business as well as his advertisers. He did say he didn't renew their advertising campaign, but never admitted to making any mistake and continues to make idiotic statements like he thought they "had stopped screwing over webmasters"

No matter how many people have tried to explain it to him, he doesn't seem to get the simple fact that Zango's entire business model is built on screwing over competing advertisers. If Zango stopped, there would be no business model and they would cease to exist. Even after everything has been explained to him he still thinks they are alright cause they have never screwed him over, he doesn't even realize the future ramifications all of his infected surfers will have on his advertisers as well as his own links.

$2 or $2 million. Concept is the same. What you did cannot easily be undone. You cannot unring the bell and you cannot uninfect the victims (umm, subscribers) of Zango's helpful service. You cannot easily justify to your customers that you potentially sold them "defective" users.

Keep going. You might want to use a pick for a while, because after you dig a deep enough hole the ground gets a little tough.

Let's assume you have never promoted them and are clean as a whistle.

You have this fantabulous site that is growing everyday. Up and up and up the traffic goes, you're seeing your income grow. One day - you notice that you're not converting as well with your sponsors as say... a month ago. Traffic is growing but conversions are not, in fact, they are getting worse. You tend to think it's due to oversaturation, old content, not enough free porn, too much free porn, your sponsor, your server, the economy, the priests asking for a porn boycott and then there's another possibility.

Someone saw you're gaining a lot of traffic so they decided that they are going to get your traffic - by hook or by crook - or they just blindly choose a word that matches your site. They advertise with this system - bid on some of your keywords that fit their niche and which you have listed on your site. So surfers that come on your site featuring 'pickle dick cocks' will get a popup with their advertiser of the term 'pickle dick cocks'. Now the surfer, overwhelmed with this page and probably oblivious to the note at the bottom that says 'This page brought to you by 'whatever' ' will click this page thinking or knowing that it's not where he intended to go, thus leaving your site to go to the guy that bid on the term. Remember, this is with organic traffic, bought traffic, traffic trades - ANY form of traffic.

Before, they even allowed someone to bid on your url. So if your URL was 'http://www.pickledickcocks.com' - I could have gone into their system and taken ALL of the surfers with this installed 'funkware'. It is 'said' that they not longer allow this practice. **not really sure if they REALLY cleaned up the url stuff although people have said that since it's ILLEGAL they stopped the practice. Either way, once it's slithers, it's always a snake for me.

Thanks for the heads up.

ruining their trust is one thing. Honestly most of them wont realize where they got zango from by the time they notice it on their pc. For us, its a done deal, they get zango on their pc we don't make money from any of the sites they signup to in the future, whether they trust us or not.

they screw everybody. Surfers' computers run slower and crash, they get popups all the time. Affiliates pay for traffic and don't get credit for the sale. :mad:

No problem :)

Now if you take what I said there and envision how much it affects everyone as a whole in terms of traffic trading, ad buyers (different mediums) + how many people were 'infected' **installed on MySpace users computers without their knowledge it was reported** and how big the impact is there - then you will see why it's costing more to make equal or less than what it used to cost you approximately 18 to 24 months ago.

Now think of who generates a lot of the traffic and keeps building pages/sites/networks to gain more traffic - it's affiliates/webmasters. Who's getting screwed on the frontline? Affiliates/Webmasters. Sponsors get screwed too - hijack of traffic destined for them, conversion decrease, affiliate blame, affiliates shifting to other programs, the cost of advertising spots themselves - this is huge even if it initially represents only 5% of your traffic. As a whole, in the industry, once it's hit a few affiliates and programs and during the course of every porn surfing moment of a potential customer, then it represents a whole lot of money.

So is the whole uproar over the fact that he didn't admit to making a mistake? Actions speak louder than words. He said he wouldn't sell them advertising anymore. It's a victory for those against Zango. Time to move on.

I'm not defending him for selling the advertising, I'm not even praising him for stopping. I'm just saying that the situation seems to be resolved, he is doing the right thing from now on, so lets just move on. There are much bigger targets in this industry than a guy who sold $500 worth of traffic to Zango at one time.

It's $500 worth of advetising. He even said he'd donate it to a charity. The guy fucked up, said he'd stop selling and donate the money. Move on to the people who are hurting the industry right this minute.

Yes some of the backlash was due to his non admittance, but mostly just his overall poor attitude and seemingly lack of understanding of Zango's negative effects. However, I agree with your post, no need to beat a dead horse, let it die.

Joe is a cool guy but fuck zango!

thats all I have to say...everyone has promoted something "shady" get off your high horses

thats one more place NOT TO BUY traffic. Thanks for keeping my rolodex clean and updated.

You people can keep bitching, obviously that's all ya'll want to do. So here is me giving you the finger and saying fuck off. I can't talk to you idiots anymore.

Another public relations train wreck in progress, ego seems to be the downfall of a few in here lately.

As I said, I've been here for years (since 98) and I'll be here for a lot longer. So fuck off.

Hahahahahahaha.


Dude, do you realize you're saying this to customers, and more importantly, POTENTIAL customers?


I can't believe you just shit all over everyone in this thread. I was thinking of buying traffic from you on some of the specialty niches I promote, too.

Again anyone needing to jump on me just say the word! :thumbsup

You're kidding , right? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Well yeah, you got that part right :thumbsup

Joe, they screw us ALL over... that's the problem. But if you stopped selling to them good job :thumbsup It's appreciated.

ok, lets install chip to your head ... as you are doing to computers of your users ;)

a little off topic.

did you sell collegesucks?

Trixxxia I am pleased to see you are doing a good job trying to explain this to all.
You are top notch in my new black booklet and if you work for Ray he should by very proud to have you working for him.

Joe you should be aware of the fact that every new entry in this thread by you will cost you customers, future and past ones.
The other traffic brokers must be getting drunk by now since you will be out of clients very very very ( did I mention very? ) soon.

i dont do zango

hahaha i love this thread

the remarks about Lars and Sleazydream by will76 made my day!
wow this is sad and entertaining at the same time.

so who is still buying traffic from Joe?
and who is not (anymore)
should be interesting to know

It's not about how much you made in the short term, it's about how it's going to affect those surfers (and webmasters of sites they visit) in the long term. You do realise that once Zango is installed it will pop its windows over sites, including yours?

Not every new entry. He has said some honorable things along the way.

As an observor though, I am still a bit unsure of where he stands.

Thanks ThumbLord, I appreciate that :)

In the end, every traffic broker has a right to run his business as he sees fit. My point is that you don't have to bow down to these practices in the least bit. As buyers, you can make a difference by being scrupulous on where you buy that traffic. As a site owner and traffic reseller/provider, you have the option of working with brokers or clients that are just as meticulous at keeping their network clean - who they buy from/trade with/sell to. As affiliates, you have the option of not sending your traffic to companies that turn around and systematically screw you over by proliferating and oiling the cashflow of such companies with their ad dollars. As a sponsor, you should DEFINITELY not be shooting yourself in the foot.

Somewhere along the line, affiliates forgot that they are one of the major providers of the raw material in this production line of 'adult entertainment'. You don't need to be vocal about it, just do what you have to do to protect your future business.

Some of the most intelligent people in this industry have sold to them and stopped. Others bought from them and there are many others that continue to buy from them. After you get your check and it didn't bounce - so long as you understand how it hurts you and your future business, whatever you do is your decision but when you start suffering the consequences, you can't say you had no idea or blame your sponsor for bad conversions.