Has any president or primeminister ever really given the voters a choice of what the people really want, It seems they only listen to people when there is mass discontent or mass riots, Do we all really live in a democracy governed by people who just do what they want and dont care what the voters think once they are in power.

I'm not talking about giving the voters a choice... people often forget that the U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.

I'm talking about accountability. Answering for actions, and giving reasonable explanations.

President Truman had a placard on his desk that said "The Buck Stops Here."

That's what I'm talking about... and many Presidents in our history and Prime Ministers of other countries have had the character that comes along with it.

I'm of the opinion that our current executive lacks that character.

I realize that Bush had other intentions besides what was best for the country, but I honestly believe that the choices he has made were for the benefit of the country and the world. Agreed, most of those decisions ended up making us look like assholes and damaging a lot of relationships we had with other countries, but I seriously doubt that was his intent.

All this shit about oil, WMD's and terrorists is getting to the point were it seems like everyone is making Bush out to be this evil dictator, but it's obvious he isn't, he just makes bad decisions. I also agree that this is not the trait that should be running this country or any for that matter, but it's not malicious.

And just to address all the bullshit about the underlying issue of the us doing this just to keep our hands in the oil, that's not the reason why we went to Iraq. It's one of the reasons though, hell ya. What kind of leader wouldn't attempt to secure his nations future. But to say that's the only reason we are over there is completely crazy. There has never been a war that was fought for one specific reason, it's always a combination of multiple reasons combined that would cause a leader to enter a war.

Stop quoting theking, he is dead anyway (right pathfinder?)

Political threads always remind me how Bush was elected president :error:error:error

Pigshit ignoramous.

The invasion of Iraq, as you claimed on numerous other posts, was over WMD and a whole series of other excuses. None of these ever mentioned the minor detail about "Iraq is strategic geo positioning of our military forces in the global war against "terrorism" and neither did your pigshit idiot in the Whitehouse.

You are delusional as usual, but I'm sure "terrorists" are now grateful for the training ground provided in Iraq.

BTW... Remember the days when I said Iraq will have another Vietnam ending and you tried so very hard to contest this???? It won't be long in happening now General. Live with it boy - you know pigshit about strategic geo positioning your ass on a toilet seat.

Reminder: 9/11 had NOTHING to do with Iraq.

Fight for freedom -- or lay down and be slaughtered.

I am glad GWB chose the former.

Absolutely, if you don't have any.. your nothing!!:321GFY

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Originally posted by theking


Reasons for war.

#1. Iraq was defeated on the field of battle and signed certain terms. Iraq has been in violation of those terms since they signed the terms in '91. The USA has demanded that those terms be complied with and that Iraq remain a defeated country.

#2. Iraq attempted to assasinate a former American President.

#3. Iraq has fired upon, almost daily, for almost 11 years, USA military forces.

#4. Iraq is believed to have, or are acquiring, or are attempting to acquire WMD's. The USA will not allow that.

#5. Iraq has, on multiple occassions called for Americans, to be killed where ever they are found. Thus they are a sworn enemy of the USA.

#6. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for future military operations against our enemies in the region, which number in the 100's of millions.

#7. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for its oil fields and for the surrounding oil fields, for as the worlds oil supplies dwindle the USA will be in a position to control the dwindling oil supplies for its use and the use of its European allies.

#8. A take over of Iraq sends a very powerful signal to the other countries in that area of the world that if they don't get their act together they will be next.

Any one of the reasons above is a reason for war.
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I posted the above prior to the invasion of Iraq in response to someone that stated there is no reason at all to invade Iraq. Pay close attention to #6...you lying piece of shit.

In addition contrary to what you say...I have always stated that the least of the reasons for the invasion was WMD's...that WMD was the drumbeat to war that the Administration chose to use.

Further more contrary to what you say...I have stated multiple times since the insurgency began...that I doubted we would succeed in Iraq because the politicians would micro manage the conflict just as they did in Vietnam to the detriment of success and the American people would lose their patience and would demand we withdraw just as they did during the Vietnam era.

In addition when it became apparent to me that the Administration was not going to allow the military to conduct operations in the manner they should be (instead of pussyfooting around)...I have been an advocate of total withdrawal.

But feel free to continue on with your fucking nonsensical babble...and lies...you worthless piece of shit.

Did I ask for more babble and excuses from a lying ex-military potato-peeler??? You did claim Iraq was nothing like Vietnam and that intellectually bankrupt idiot Rumsfeld initially claimed the "uprising" was just a bunch of crooks looking for trouble. Remember yet???? *lol*

I don't really give a toss what you think or what excuses you claim your country's aims are or what it intended to do - it matters little. The only relevant factor is that it manages to fuck up with boring regularity and harm itself and others in the process. What you want?? A medal??? *lol*

Sort your own backyard out first and avoid even discussing the rest of the world - you have no credibility to do otherwise. Look in the mirror more often and try to practice harder at not being a stupid lying drunken old fool.

Seriously General Pathfinder - no way would you ever make the grade of management material in the military. The difference between military officers and scum is that they have a balanced brain, moral fiber, honorable people with discipline and are not usually liars or marinated in deviant hatred. But... you would not know that, would you???

Bottom line - you are irrelevant. Dismissed boy.

You feel theatened DH??? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Why don't you bugger off and sign up in the military and quit hiding behind others and relying on them to "defend" you from your percieved enemy??

You are obviously much the same as your idiot friend George-The-Mouth :pimp

Whatever Webby...I proved you to be telling lies...yet once again. Now:321GFY you lying piece of shit.

What color is the sky in your world? Are you seeing blue too?

You sound like a broken record. If everyone was like you, our forefathers would have never left England.

"I love the King, the King is great. I love being persecuted for religion, the King is great. I love being taxed without representation, the King is great."

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Meh - Bush is just one man