Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 13082941)

The people who actually make the plans for these things are thorough in their investigations. For example, the situation in Iraq was not unforseen by someone, but the powers that be made their decision anyway - and ol' georgy boy is paying a price.

In the same way, all possible outcomes will be researched exhaustively, and one of the scenarios will be a worst case scenario where russie and china go all ape shit and do something stupid.

There is risk inherent in any decision. What is most dangerous is the short timelines that politicians deal with, they over-weight the short term and under-weight the long term consequences since their 'lives' are short. The world would be better off if economists made decisions.. and besides, economists do it with models.

Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 13082974)

You have to be one of the most retarded people on these forums, you know it's ignorant fools like you who end up making the war happen, 30% support for the war is more than enough in Bushes book and im pretty sure there are more than 30% retards in america.

Iran hasn't done anything to you, they aren't building a bomb they want nuclear energy because it's cost effective and friendly compared to other methods. They aren't supporting the taliban or al qaeuda or w/e in iraq, they are enemies for fuck sake the taliban and al qaeda pledged to blow up mosques in Iran.

So there are your reasons for attacking iran blown out the water, what are you going to do now big nose? say they want to blow israel up? lets face it the world will be a better place without israel and america, oh and without retards like you.

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 13082992)

bullshit. If they wanted nuclear power they could get it just like anyone else - they kick out IAEA inspectors and refuse to cooperate with the UN. They fund and support Hezbollah.

The iranian people don't deserve to suffer under such a regime - Iran is a progressive, moderate society at heart.

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 13082992)

bullshit. If they wanted nuclear power they could get it just like anyone else - they kick out IAEA inspectors and refuse to cooperate with the UN. They fund and support Hezbollah.

The iranian people don't deserve to suffer under such a regime - Iran is a progressive, moderate society at heart.

Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 13083007)

WOW another retard. There nuclear program is well within international law and they have invited IAEA inspectors fucktard, and of course they fund and support hezbollah, i mean if i was rich i'd fund such a great political party who are doing their upmost to restore the lebonese peoples dignity and rights.

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13083027)

shit you are confused ...

Originally Posted by Coatsy (Post 13083018)

Question is, what is the US tactic going to be if they go into Iran.

Same as Iraq perhaps? Bomb the military infrastructure to pieces, secure the oil fields around massive US military bases and then start a sectarian war between the people and let them kill each other leaving the place in chaos.

Worked well in Iraq!

Originally Posted by Coatsy (Post 13083018)

Question is, what is the US tactic going to be if they go into Iran.

Same as Iraq perhaps? Bomb the military infrastructure to pieces, secure the oil fields around massive US military bases and then start a sectarian war between the people and let them kill each other leaving the place in chaos.

Worked well in Iraq!

Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 13083056)

nice response as usual the retard cant provide a counter argument. big nose.

Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 13083070)

they are well within international law and have right to nuclear energy, do they not?

Originally Posted by Ripshit (Post 13083058)

You have no idea do you?
Well I think thats sad:(

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 13083060)

I doubt there would be any troop involvement beyond special forces units for target acquisition. The goal is not to invade and overthrow, but a tactical mission to disrupt their nuclear program.

Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 13083090)

to be honest, theres no point arguing with you because like all nationalists talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

at the end of the day if the usa even takes one step over the border they have 200k vunerable troops in iraq that iran will squash, and i hope they do.

Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 13083090)

to be honest, theres no point arguing with you because like all nationalists talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

at the end of the day if the usa even takes one step over the border they have 200k vunerable troops in iraq that iran will squash, and i hope they do.

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 13082941)

In the same way, all possible outcomes will be researched exhaustively, and one of the scenarios will be a worst case scenario where russie and china go all ape shit and do something stupid.

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 13083155)

You said "go all ape shit and do something stupid"? Seems the only country on Earth is doing just genius things only (guess which country I'm talking about? :)) So anything those other countries (China and Russia - for some "unknown" reason you wrote these words in lowercase) doing against it is stupid by default. Ok, I got your point.

Originally Posted by Coatsy (Post 13082986)

Worst case scenario being World War 3, I very much doubt that would happen (China and Russia getting fully involved) Russia have plenty of their own oil, so I suppose China would be more upset of the two considering that they need incredible amounts of energy and have massive oil deals with Iran.

Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 13083090)

to be honest, theres no point arguing with you because like all nationalists talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

at the end of the day if the usa even takes one step over the border they have 200k vunerable troops in iraq that iran will squash, and i hope they do.

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 13083165)

Im not american and don't give a flying fuck about US domestic politics. So if you're suggesting my opinion is skewed by either democratic or republican propaganda, you are incorrect :)

Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13078748)

Iran and Iraq sure have more in common than the US does with any country in that region.

A major portion of the Iraqi population have their heritage/culture from Iran and no doubts both these countries will ally in the future - whether others like it or not - it has nothing to do with anyone else.

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 13083227)

You don't have to be an American to be a subject of the US propaganda :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 13083194)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah, becasue Iran has shown it's superior military acumen in past wars, like the Iran/Iraq war. Bang up job they did there. That war was the equivalent of giving two retarded kids baseball bats and telling them to duke it out. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13043194)

Iranians are not ARABS :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 13043441)

Uh, yes they are, genius...

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13045337)

if you say , it must be true.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Calling an Iranian an Arab, is like calling a Irish .. an English....

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13043194)

Overview

The CIA World Factbook estimates that approximately 3% of Iran's 68,017,860 citizens are Arabic-speakers, of whom the majority live in Khuzestan, with 1% speaking Arabic as their native or primary language.[1]

A 1998 report by UNCHR reported 2 million Arabs residing in Khuzestan Province, most of whom are Shi'a. Sunni Muslim Arabs live along the Persian Gulf coastline. [2]

According to Jane's Information Group, "Most Iranian Arabs seek their constitutionally guaranteed rights and do not have a separatist agenda ... While it may be true that some Arab activists are separatists, most see themselves as Iranians first and declare their commitment to the state's territorial integrity." [3]

According to the Minorities at Risk Project 2001, about 40 per cent of Arabs are unskilled workers living in urban areas. The Arabs in the rural areas are primarily farmers and fishermen. The Arabs living along the Persian Gulf coastal plains are mostly pastoral nomads. Tribal loyalties are strong among rural Arabs, but also have an influence in urban areas. These have an impact on Arab socialisation and politicisation. [4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_of_Khuzestan

Originally Posted by KRosh (Post 13083231)

Iran = non Arab Nation - Iraq = Arab Nation tell me how they share the same heritage and culture? - Did you forget that Iran and Iraq had a war against each other?

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 13083185)

Actually that's not really correct. Russia has it's own oil and theoretically it's interested in war between the USA and Iran because the prices on oil will be raised as never before. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 13083140)

Where did you come up with me being a nationalist?? :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Coatsy (Post 13083310)

If I'm not mistaken that jibe was aimed at me. Northern Ireland, Nationalists and Loyalists. Anyway it was a retarded assumption to make because I am neither, I just want some freakin peace for my wee country!

Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 13083151)

God knows i love some yank hating as much as the next guy but what a fucking dick you must be to support Iranian troops over American. Americans are our allies and without them we would be in shit, especially with the current tensions. You weird conspiracy mother fuckers spend to much time locked up in your bedrooms.

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13083253)

Your opinion is of no consequence or interest .... run away .... again.

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 13083299)

I bet he gets all the knowledge from TV. Persians are the same as Arabs (they have a same culture etc), Iran is just a different spelling of Iraq, the US army gained over Berlin in 1945 and so on... :winkwink:

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 13083350)

First of all you little shit stain, quoting an article on the internet doesn't make you a fucking expert. There are tons of articles that also support the concept of Iran being an Arabic nation because so much of the original Persian culture was absorbed by the Muslims. I'm not going to sit here and cut and paste articles back and forth with you all day.

As for someone's opinion being of no consequence or interest, I seem to remember a thread a few weeks back where people listed who is on their ignore list. Every single person had you listed. Not only is your opinion worthless, but no one even reads it apparently :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by KRosh (Post 13083375)

WRONG

Iranians are NOT Arabs and they have been fighting them for 100's of years because they want to turn Iran into an Arab nation.

Please learn your facts .. and Yes I am an Iranian. We don't speak the same language either.

Originally Posted by KRosh (Post 13083353)

Ok now your ignorance is REALLY shining through .. Guess what I am an Iranian and no I do not get my knowledge from TV

Iran is a different spelling of irq HAHAH you are truly misinformed!
I am not going to argue this with you any longer. It is your fantasy world and i don't want to ruin it for you :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 13083398)

How much of the Persian culture has been absorbed, though?

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 13083411)

LOL, seems some ppl here don't smart enough to understand that I told above. :error

Seems I had to post it like this:

[sarcasm mode on]
I bet he gets all the knowledge from TV. Persians are the same as Arabs (they have a same culture etc), Iran is just a different spelling of Iraq, the US army gained over Berlin in 1945 and so on... :winkwink:
[sarcasm mode off]

Is that better now, or my English is too complicated for you? :upsidedow

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 13083350)

First of all you little shit stain, quoting an article on the internet doesn't make you a fucking expert. There are tons of articles that also support the concept of Iran being an Arabic nation because so much of the original Persian culture was absorbed by the Muslims. I'm not going to sit here and cut and paste articles back and forth with you all day.

As for someone's opinion being of no consequence or interest, I seem to remember a thread a few weeks back where people listed who is on their ignore list. Every single person had you listed. Not only is your opinion worthless, but no one even reads it apparently :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by KRosh (Post 13083433)

I am not sure i understand your question. I can tell you the Arabs invaded Iran and tried to change the country. The Iranians fought and kicked them out. Some of the modern words used in Farsi ( the Iranian Language) are from Arabic. There is a new movement in Iran to get rid of all Arab words from the language and go back to Persian. All the new generation in Iran are speaking Farsi without any Arabic words.


There are 2 countries in the middle east that are not Arab - Iran and Israel.
Now as for religion goes most not all Iranians are Muslim -

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 13083350)

First of all you little shit stain, quoting an article on the internet doesn't make you a fucking expert.

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 13083480)

directfiesta
This message is hidden because directfiesta is on your ignore list.

I'm usually not much of a follower, but this is one of those times that joining the masses is warranted :thumbsup

Originally Posted by KRosh (Post 13083453)

Oh yeah i really struggle with the English language because i have only been speaking reading and writing English for 35 years.

Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 13083377)

Nah coasty your alright it was aimed at that retard dollarmansteve.