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pocketkangaroo 10-06-2007 11:19 AM

They do have a nice design on their MILF site:

http://www.gofuckamilf.com/01/index.php

will76 10-06-2007 11:22 AM

so how will Quickbuck respond:

1. no response just ignore and hope it goes away (aka SexSearch Approach)

2. come in here and insult people and say "its legal" and say a lot of stupid shit (aka Lars approach).

3. Blame it on a bad affiliate (industry default response)

Quickdraw 10-06-2007 11:22 AM

For those of you trying to detect zango visitors. You should know that they use a myriad of headers, not just 'zango'. They also use, hotbar, hbtools, seekmo, and I'm sure many others.

For those of you talking about going strictly mainstream. That is good and all, but the grass isn't any greener over there.

mikeyddddd 10-06-2007 11:27 AM


kektex 10-06-2007 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 13197619)
so how will Quickbuck respond:

1. no response just ignore and hope it goes away (aka SexSearch Approach)

2. come in here and insult people and say "its legal" and say a lot of stupid shit (aka Lars approach).

3. Blame it on a bad affiliate (industry default response)

I'm gonna go with number 3 here, will! What do I win? :winkwink:

MaDalton 10-06-2007 11:29 AM

haha - quickbuck should update its signature from "fuck the surfers" to "fuck the surfers and our competition". but according to my observations from Amsterdam wiseman is a bro so probably not much will happen

Jace 10-06-2007 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw (Post 13197620)
For those of you trying to detect zango visitors. You should know that they use a myriad of headers, not just 'zango'. They also use, hotbar, hbtools, seekmo, and I'm sure many others.

For those of you talking about going strictly mainstream. That is good and all, but the grass isn't any greener over there.

hell no it isn't

mainstream is just as bad and is sometimes way more difficult...as bad as adult is sometimes, there isn't one issue I have that can't be dealt with in a few hours, with my mainstream stuff I have to give up on some promotions from the lack of caring by the program owners/employees

will76 10-06-2007 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13197611)
They do have a nice design on their MILF site:

http://www.gofuckamilf.com/01/index.php

FUCKING ASSHOLES... never ending exit pop up loop.


going to restart my pc now so this shit stops poping up. fuck this company.


this is real orginal btw....

http://www.gofuckamilf.com/01/images/gfym_03.gif

will76 10-06-2007 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 13197640)
haha - quickbuck should update its signature from "fuck the surfers" to "fuck the surfers and our competition". but according to my observations from Amsterdam wiseman is a bro so probably not much will happen

fuck ths surfers is right, never ending pop up shit off of their sites. this was gay back in the 90's. no point to loop your exit pages so people cant leave. fucking assholes.

Quickdraw 10-06-2007 11:35 AM

Another company targeting wnu.com/secure..

Anyone guess who it is?
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1...ncamlicla9.jpg
That's right, Megapornbucks, er, uh, I mean Sexbankroll

Axeman 10-06-2007 11:37 AM

We have seen a larger % of people filling out the nats join form only to never make it thru the sale the past couple weeks. No denial emails from CCbill just abrupt end. Given a % get cold feet but I have suspected a bigger issue is at hand and this gives me almost certainty.

will76 10-06-2007 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw (Post 13197670)
Another company targeting wnu.com/secure..

Anyone guess who it is?
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1...ncamlicla9.jpg
That's right, Megapornbucks, er, uh, I mean Sexbankroll

I guess this is just the new way to use zango.... why target the url when you can target the signup page directly. Zango should be sued for this as well.


FUCK SEXBANK ROLL and 18oncam.com mother fuckers been targeting ifriends.com for well over a year.

I wouldn't piss on these fuckers if they were on fire.

I can't believe some of you people still do business with them. I hope seeing shit like this cause more and more people to stop using them.

V_RocKs 10-06-2007 11:50 AM

Wow.. that is pretty scuzzy!

Shap 10-06-2007 11:58 AM

We now have the triad of threads going on to make webmasters aware

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774606
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774612
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774597

TeenCat 10-06-2007 11:58 AM

hm great work and fuck off everyone who is not playing nice!

»Rob Content« 10-06-2007 12:00 PM

Will just look up isearch or idownload

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sil...d=99522&page=1

Here is a nice write up on idownload

http://spywarewarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=10726#64940

Ray@TastyDollars 10-06-2007 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13197738)

Here is anohter good one

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=720781

dig420 10-06-2007 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex (Post 13197417)
I guess you could drop ccbill

it's just a matter of someone buying the keywords from whatever billing company you choose to do biz with, it won't help anything. The only thing that WILL help is for someone to step up and sue the shit out of Zango for lost profits, and perhaps go after the companies who possibly violated trademark via the keywords they bought. I think everyone else is just like me though, waiting for someone else to step up and initiate the action. It will be expensive... a billing company would be a good candidate to get it started as they can afford it and they would probably generate a great deal of good will in the process.

Sysgenix 10-06-2007 12:04 PM

We have seen a ton of signups lost recently into blackholes that never made it to epoch, the thing is that it is not only Zango there are others

kektex 10-06-2007 12:04 PM

I think we need a site with a sponsor blacklist for these kind of scumbag sponsors.A site like that would go straight on my sig.
zangoblacklist.com hasnt been updated in ages.

Jace 10-06-2007 12:05 PM

http://www.viraldiscussion.com/post/...ill-join-forms

VOTE ON THAT...KEEP IT HIGH!

Gnus 10-06-2007 12:05 PM

Well I just got off ICQ with Wiseman regarding this issue. The response I got was "fucking afiliates ok well im outa town will send an email see whats up". Told him he needs to respond to this so we'll see.

Gary

Quickdraw 10-06-2007 12:06 PM

And here we have freepornlessons(you bros know who this is....) targeting secure.hustler.com
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3...msecureuh9.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3...a68964245c.jpg

Mutt 10-06-2007 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sysgenix (Post 13197764)
We have seen a ton of signups lost recently into blackholes that never made it to epoch, the thing is that it is not only Zango there are others

that's what i think - there are others and more coming i'm sure.

Drake 10-06-2007 12:07 PM

I think Quickbucks is one of the biggest names in adult. I think there was a thread about them not too long ago where it was said that they payout over $1million to affiliates each month.

xclusive 10-06-2007 12:07 PM

Fuck me they are brilliant, They learned how to shave sales from other programs. This really is a criminal act and with the amount they are pulling in i'm sure it could lead to some jail time.

nation-x 10-06-2007 12:07 PM

I say we file a class action lawsuit againsta these fucks.

HS-Trixxxia 10-06-2007 12:09 PM

Guys - for me it's simple. Calculate the losses in the past few months. Video tape this transaction going bad. Click on the sites that have your stolen content - signup - get jacked by them. Then will you all put your money together and put it where your mouth is and sue these crooks? These are not people you want to do business with.

They will smile and pal you at shows and send you deals some other way and fuck you up the ass with no lube the other way. They affect your business cuz when YOUR sites aren't converting anymore (because sales are jacked to go to their sites)- affiliates think it's YOU that is either doing something shady, or your shit don't convert. So you get DP without lube and you didn't ask for it!

Class action lawsuit - I'm sure there are a few hungry lawyers with balls and you will get support from other programs losing millions and affiliates alike.


On another note - weren't Zango in court and settled with the FTC about targetting direct urls? Guess you need to document this shit fast and hit up the FTC.

xclusive 10-06-2007 12:11 PM

We are all going to get chairs thrown at us, I heard that wiseman is out at walmart stocking up on cheap chairs.

Gnus 10-06-2007 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus (Post 13197769)
Well I just got off ICQ with Wiseman regarding this issue. The response I got was "fucking afiliates ok well im outa town will send an email see whats up". Told him he needs to respond to this so we'll see.

From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

Mutt 10-06-2007 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus (Post 13197812)
From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

MaDalton 10-06-2007 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus (Post 13197812)
From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

yeah, probably :upsidedow

xclusive 10-06-2007 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13197820)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Ray@TastyDollars 10-06-2007 12:21 PM

Quickdraw

Can you please see if the same thing happens when you visit site with their own merchant accounts? Site not using 3rd party billers.

thx!!
Ray

Jace 10-06-2007 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus (Post 13197812)
From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

wow, so an affiliate has access to campigns that NO OTHER affiliate has access to?

you can't get the xxxpass link codes from the webmaster admin, at least 5 people I know have tried it, so how does that work again?

thonglife 10-06-2007 12:24 PM

Quote:

From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary
How the fuck can an affiliate be doing this. That motherfucker can go suck a dick.

Quickdraw 10-06-2007 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus (Post 13197812)
From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

Yeah, I'm sure it is..:error

THY 10-06-2007 12:25 PM

this shit is fucked up... is it only with epoch and ccbill? what about the other smaller billers? how long till they get hit as well...

anyone has an idea of what % of adult surfers are infected with zango?
is there some way to know that?

Jman 10-06-2007 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus (Post 13197812)
From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

No shit... It's ALWAYS an affiliate :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BlackCrayon 10-06-2007 12:29 PM

Wow, this is unbelieveable.

Rui 10-06-2007 12:31 PM

Wonder what the same people busting Shap's ass in the other threads have to say about this...

scumbags...

Shoplifter 10-06-2007 12:33 PM

Quickdraw, where did you download this toolbar? We want to try to duplicate this and see if our own sites are clean.

Jace 10-06-2007 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoplifter (Post 13197875)
Quickdraw, where did you download this toolbar? We want to try to duplicate this and see if our own sites are clean.

zango dot com

Sysgenix 10-06-2007 12:37 PM

What about this idea to bring more attention to this then zango can handle?

See if their toolbars popup anything on big companies such as Microsoft, HP, Costco, and such? Make those companies aware of that issue as a customer who was trying to order something.

will76 10-06-2007 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 13197767)

Yeah you right :) :thumbsup:thumbsup

HS-Trixxxia 10-06-2007 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sysgenix (Post 13197894)
What about this idea to bring more attention to this then zango can handle?

See if their toolbars popup anything on big companies such as Microsoft, HP, Costco, and such? Make those companies aware of that issue as a customer who was trying to order something.

Could be an idea - inundate MS with reports & proof to back it up. They'll find a way to zap them out.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-06-2007 12:43 PM

Welcome to two years ago. I mentioned this a long ass time ago, was called an idiot, and was even fucking banned for pointing it out, now ya guys see it and all of a sudden it is a shock?

You people are fucking retarded.

Wiseman 10-06-2007 12:43 PM

Ok well It's family time. But Affiliate will be banned asap. And for those claiming xxxpass isnt in our program you are very wrong. ITs in there you just have to request it. More to come

will76 10-06-2007 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw (Post 13197846)
Yeah, I'm sure it is..:error
This is from http://www.xbiz.com/articles/10484

Gilbert counters that "adware is just another medium. Just like with dialers, where there are those who abuse them and those who use them fairly. Regardless of what some people have said, we've always stayed on the kinder, gentler side of desktop marketing."

and using Zango to pop up over ccbill and epoch's signup page is being kind and gentle marketing ?????? :1orglaugh nigga please.

will76 10-06-2007 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiseman (Post 13197923)
Ok well It's family time. But Affiliate will be banned asap. And for those claiming xxxpass isnt in our program you are very wrong. ITs in there you just have to request it. More to come

Thats what sexbank roll said.... and in their case the url being used was on their server and not an affiliate. And a year later they are still using zango.


So if this is an affiliate is should stop now and we should never see it happen again... personaly I am not buying the "its an affiliate". You guys just happen to be involved with your own "adware", your slogan is " fuck the surfer" and you have a very shaddy history from what I hear. I guess it was just a coincidence this bad affiliate picked your program to do this.


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