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»Rob Content« 10-06-2007 11:09 AM

Don't forget quickbuck and it's history with their "spyware removal tool"

lol :thumbsup

kektex 10-06-2007 11:09 AM

Heh, I got this email from them just yesterday
Quote:

It has been three days since you signed up with QuickBuck and I see that your account does not show any activity yet. We are very eager to work with you, and everyone here at quickbuck is ready and willing to help you make the most money possible with your traffic. We want to take this opportunity to provide you with your link codes so you can start making money with QuickBuck today!
Translation: Hurry up and put those links up, we cant wait to fuck you in the ass! :thumbsup

will76 10-06-2007 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray@TastyDollars (Post 13197569)

Why do not enough people/owners give a fuck? Lack of knowledge..lack of truly understanding what is happening and its affect on their biz.

I have spoken to many program owner concerning Septembers HORRIBLE numbers and 90% of them blame the US economy and "maybe its just a bad month" LOL..a bad month?

Idiots, quick to blame a mysterious slow down "economy, weather, time of year, summer" never mind the spyware ripping your joins, na that can't be it, its because of gas prices.... idiots... :upsidedow

Spike D 10-06-2007 11:12 AM

Those of you with single girl sites might want to check these links:

http://www.carolcox.org/

and

http://www.carolcox.org/links.html

or

http://www.almondtease.org/

or

http://www.arikaames.org/

or

http://www.angiesavage.org/

The list goes on and on....

All sites with un-watermarked content, and if you go through the extensive list of links, I doubt the content has been authorized or bought. All downloads and links eventually point to XXXPass....

Gnus 10-06-2007 11:12 AM

This shit is getting out of hand. I for one am glad I'm working my way out of adult. Anymore you just can't trust sponsors especially with all the crap that has been discovered in the last year. Seems I been pulling more links lately than putting them up. Just has gotten way out of hand and the ratios are showing it.

Gary

will76 10-06-2007 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VG.Content (Post 13197590)
Don't forget quickbuck and it's history with their "spyware removal tool"

lol :thumbsup

please post it for us that dont know. post all their history....

Mutt 10-06-2007 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyddddd (Post 13197494)
You could stop them from ever getting to the fraudulent join page and cut off the scammer's income.

RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} zango [NC]
RewriteRule ^$ http://www.send-em-here.com/zango-removal-page.html [R]


yes but with this code the surfer also doesn't get to my join page either - he gets sent to the zango removal page - then he has to go through the steps to remove it - then i have to hope he comes back and joins. it's better than doing nothing cuz i'm sure some would come back and join - breaking legs is probably the best solution unfortunately.

pocketkangaroo 10-06-2007 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray@TastyDollars (Post 13197569)
This is a problem that has been going on for some time now and Zango is a small percentage..very small percentage of what is out there. There was a thread made a few months ago by "porcypig", check it out, watch the videos, follow the links.

Why is it still happening? Simple, not enough people/owners give a fuck.

Why do not enough people/owners give a fuck? Lack of knowledge..lack of truly understanding what is happening and its affect on their biz.

I have spoken to many program owner concerning Septembers HORRIBLE numbers and 90% of them blame the US economy and "maybe its just a bad month" LOL..a bad month?

What do we do? Awareness. Let everyone know that this is indeed a problem and a fucking huge one at that. From there we need to educate our surfers. Other than that, not much else we can do....unless maybe a class action suite that will cost millions and take years.

Ray

I think people know what is going on, they just don't want to rock the boat. Tons of program owners know they are being fucked, they are just scared to call out a "pioneer" or "industry leader". Until more program owners step up and put their business above some beers at shows and being called a bro, nothing will change.

thonglife 10-06-2007 11:18 AM

Quote:

This shit is getting out of hand. I for one am glad I'm working my way out of adult. Anymore you just can't trust sponsors especially with all the crap that has been discovered in the last year. Seems I been pulling more links lately than putting them up. Just has gotten way out of hand and the ratios are showing it.

Gary
___
I hear ya man... headed to mainstream as well.

Shap 10-06-2007 11:19 AM

Alot of PPS companies have XXXPass as their cross sell. Now that this information is public what does that say about those companies if they continue to push their cross sales to XXXPass?

pocketkangaroo 10-06-2007 11:19 AM

They do have a nice design on their MILF site:

http://www.gofuckamilf.com/01/index.php

will76 10-06-2007 11:22 AM

so how will Quickbuck respond:

1. no response just ignore and hope it goes away (aka SexSearch Approach)

2. come in here and insult people and say "its legal" and say a lot of stupid shit (aka Lars approach).

3. Blame it on a bad affiliate (industry default response)

Quickdraw 10-06-2007 11:22 AM

For those of you trying to detect zango visitors. You should know that they use a myriad of headers, not just 'zango'. They also use, hotbar, hbtools, seekmo, and I'm sure many others.

For those of you talking about going strictly mainstream. That is good and all, but the grass isn't any greener over there.

mikeyddddd 10-06-2007 11:27 AM


kektex 10-06-2007 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 13197619)
so how will Quickbuck respond:

1. no response just ignore and hope it goes away (aka SexSearch Approach)

2. come in here and insult people and say "its legal" and say a lot of stupid shit (aka Lars approach).

3. Blame it on a bad affiliate (industry default response)

I'm gonna go with number 3 here, will! What do I win? :winkwink:

MaDalton 10-06-2007 11:29 AM

haha - quickbuck should update its signature from "fuck the surfers" to "fuck the surfers and our competition". but according to my observations from Amsterdam wiseman is a bro so probably not much will happen

Jace 10-06-2007 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw (Post 13197620)
For those of you trying to detect zango visitors. You should know that they use a myriad of headers, not just 'zango'. They also use, hotbar, hbtools, seekmo, and I'm sure many others.

For those of you talking about going strictly mainstream. That is good and all, but the grass isn't any greener over there.

hell no it isn't

mainstream is just as bad and is sometimes way more difficult...as bad as adult is sometimes, there isn't one issue I have that can't be dealt with in a few hours, with my mainstream stuff I have to give up on some promotions from the lack of caring by the program owners/employees

will76 10-06-2007 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13197611)
They do have a nice design on their MILF site:

http://www.gofuckamilf.com/01/index.php

FUCKING ASSHOLES... never ending exit pop up loop.


going to restart my pc now so this shit stops poping up. fuck this company.


this is real orginal btw....

http://www.gofuckamilf.com/01/images/gfym_03.gif

will76 10-06-2007 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 13197640)
haha - quickbuck should update its signature from "fuck the surfers" to "fuck the surfers and our competition". but according to my observations from Amsterdam wiseman is a bro so probably not much will happen

fuck ths surfers is right, never ending pop up shit off of their sites. this was gay back in the 90's. no point to loop your exit pages so people cant leave. fucking assholes.

Quickdraw 10-06-2007 11:35 AM

Another company targeting wnu.com/secure..

Anyone guess who it is?
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1...ncamlicla9.jpg
That's right, Megapornbucks, er, uh, I mean Sexbankroll

Axeman 10-06-2007 11:37 AM

We have seen a larger % of people filling out the nats join form only to never make it thru the sale the past couple weeks. No denial emails from CCbill just abrupt end. Given a % get cold feet but I have suspected a bigger issue is at hand and this gives me almost certainty.

will76 10-06-2007 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw (Post 13197670)
Another company targeting wnu.com/secure..

Anyone guess who it is?
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1...ncamlicla9.jpg
That's right, Megapornbucks, er, uh, I mean Sexbankroll

I guess this is just the new way to use zango.... why target the url when you can target the signup page directly. Zango should be sued for this as well.


FUCK SEXBANK ROLL and 18oncam.com mother fuckers been targeting ifriends.com for well over a year.

I wouldn't piss on these fuckers if they were on fire.

I can't believe some of you people still do business with them. I hope seeing shit like this cause more and more people to stop using them.

V_RocKs 10-06-2007 11:50 AM

Wow.. that is pretty scuzzy!

Shap 10-06-2007 11:58 AM

We now have the triad of threads going on to make webmasters aware

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774606
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774612
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774597

TeenCat 10-06-2007 11:58 AM

hm great work and fuck off everyone who is not playing nice!

»Rob Content« 10-06-2007 12:00 PM

Will just look up isearch or idownload

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sil...d=99522&page=1

Here is a nice write up on idownload

http://spywarewarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=10726#64940

Ray@TastyDollars 10-06-2007 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13197738)

Here is anohter good one

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=720781

dig420 10-06-2007 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex (Post 13197417)
I guess you could drop ccbill

it's just a matter of someone buying the keywords from whatever billing company you choose to do biz with, it won't help anything. The only thing that WILL help is for someone to step up and sue the shit out of Zango for lost profits, and perhaps go after the companies who possibly violated trademark via the keywords they bought. I think everyone else is just like me though, waiting for someone else to step up and initiate the action. It will be expensive... a billing company would be a good candidate to get it started as they can afford it and they would probably generate a great deal of good will in the process.

Sysgenix 10-06-2007 12:04 PM

We have seen a ton of signups lost recently into blackholes that never made it to epoch, the thing is that it is not only Zango there are others

kektex 10-06-2007 12:04 PM

I think we need a site with a sponsor blacklist for these kind of scumbag sponsors.A site like that would go straight on my sig.
zangoblacklist.com hasnt been updated in ages.

Jace 10-06-2007 12:05 PM

http://www.viraldiscussion.com/post/...ill-join-forms

VOTE ON THAT...KEEP IT HIGH!

Gnus 10-06-2007 12:05 PM

Well I just got off ICQ with Wiseman regarding this issue. The response I got was "fucking afiliates ok well im outa town will send an email see whats up". Told him he needs to respond to this so we'll see.

Gary

Quickdraw 10-06-2007 12:06 PM

And here we have freepornlessons(you bros know who this is....) targeting secure.hustler.com
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3...msecureuh9.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3...a68964245c.jpg

Mutt 10-06-2007 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sysgenix (Post 13197764)
We have seen a ton of signups lost recently into blackholes that never made it to epoch, the thing is that it is not only Zango there are others

that's what i think - there are others and more coming i'm sure.

Drake 10-06-2007 12:07 PM

I think Quickbucks is one of the biggest names in adult. I think there was a thread about them not too long ago where it was said that they payout over $1million to affiliates each month.

xclusive 10-06-2007 12:07 PM

Fuck me they are brilliant, They learned how to shave sales from other programs. This really is a criminal act and with the amount they are pulling in i'm sure it could lead to some jail time.

nation-x 10-06-2007 12:07 PM

I say we file a class action lawsuit againsta these fucks.

HS-Trixxxia 10-06-2007 12:09 PM

Guys - for me it's simple. Calculate the losses in the past few months. Video tape this transaction going bad. Click on the sites that have your stolen content - signup - get jacked by them. Then will you all put your money together and put it where your mouth is and sue these crooks? These are not people you want to do business with.

They will smile and pal you at shows and send you deals some other way and fuck you up the ass with no lube the other way. They affect your business cuz when YOUR sites aren't converting anymore (because sales are jacked to go to their sites)- affiliates think it's YOU that is either doing something shady, or your shit don't convert. So you get DP without lube and you didn't ask for it!

Class action lawsuit - I'm sure there are a few hungry lawyers with balls and you will get support from other programs losing millions and affiliates alike.


On another note - weren't Zango in court and settled with the FTC about targetting direct urls? Guess you need to document this shit fast and hit up the FTC.

xclusive 10-06-2007 12:11 PM

We are all going to get chairs thrown at us, I heard that wiseman is out at walmart stocking up on cheap chairs.

Gnus 10-06-2007 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus (Post 13197769)
Well I just got off ICQ with Wiseman regarding this issue. The response I got was "fucking afiliates ok well im outa town will send an email see whats up". Told him he needs to respond to this so we'll see.

From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary


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