so wait... you're saying you CANT BID on them?

gee, i wonder how we could have possilby bid on them if that's the case :-/

lol, nice try. It will all come out eventually. Maybe Zango is taking some steps today to try and soothe the savage beast(s) they woke from slumber.

Yesterday you could look up those urls, but today not..

Don't you mean, "how could our affiliate bid on them.."?

ISearch wasn't involved. Jace was talking about something else in that post.

Glad to see you going after it. There is some precedent in this area and you could have strong cases against Zango, the affiliate, and any company that profited from it. Whether the damage was minor or not, this is a problem that will eventually need to be addressed legally by someone.

I never said that you guys did bid on them if thats what you are insinuating. But when i looked these up yesterday there were 2 people bidding still......

i think the legal problem they will run into is that it is clearly labeled as an advertisement and does not prevent the user from seeing the original site...

somebody with hotbar KNOWS they have hotbar.

not defending it, but it's not as though this is a hidden application that people aren't aware they have installed.

this comment was out of line, hooper i do apologize.

i do doubt you did this on your own and it probably was an affiliate just exploiting the way zango works, but no one will really ever know except a limited few, unless someone spends a fuckload of money in court.

hmm..that sucks :disgust

:1orglaugh

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Awesome. Thanks for stepping up to the plate Ron and helping the rest of us out. It looks like zango and the people who were using them to defraud you and the rest of us are going to be in a world of shit.


If you need any help or background info on zango I am more than willing to help as well. Just let me know.

I hope they sue zango and your "affiliate" who was using zango to defraud cbill to send traffic to your program. Hopefully the identity of this person will be exposed now. Can't wait to see who it is.

exactly, do a search on " Gator lawsuit "


gator lawsuit settled
The lawsuit against Gator by seven major media corporations has been settled out of court, with the outcome sealed by a confidentiality agreement, Computerworld reports. (“News Sites Settle Pop-Up Lawsuit” - 02/11/03)


Gator is an adware program that serves up pop-up ads, often based on the content the user is viewing at a particular time.


The lawsuit alleged that Redwood City, California-based Gator piggybacked off their Web sites by placing pop-up ads that compete with the advertising that the sites sell. The plaintiffs were the Washington Post, Dow Jones, Tribune Interactive, the New York Times, Knight Ridder, Advance Publications, and Gannett. The publishers said they have 15 Web sites among them that draw millions of viewers monthly.

It’s too bad that this suit was settled and sealed, rather than taken to court and made public. I’d like to see how a court would rule on these kinds of adware programs. While I don’t know that it was an issue in this particular lawsuit, I’d also like to see a ruling on how Gator is often installed on users’ machines without the user’s permission or full understanding of what Gator is.

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Gator worked almost exactly the same way. They were sued and settled. they stopped and i am sure paid a lot of money, knowing they didnt have a chance in court and would have been buried. No one else since then has attempted to hold these companies accountable. What zango is doing to ccbill is exactly the same as explained above.

Yep. the biggest retard of all. I finally blocked the idiot after he messaged me every few days saying:

Wiseman: hye bro
Me: Hey what's up?
Wiseman: who teh hell is this???

I grew tired of explaining. I mean is it that hard to delete me if you don't like me or are not interested in talking to me because I DON'T have traffic for you? But to continually do it... that's pure retardation.

RonC, a little tip: Don't just go after Zango, but also notify the FTC. Zango is under agreement with the FTC for a number of less than honest ways that they have done business in the past, and I am sure that the FTC would find this type of action very interesting indeed.

The intent of these popups is to mislead people into signing up for something they don't want (and then tacking a cross sale on top of it). I am sure the FTC would have one look at this and the shit would hit the fan.

Hey Quick Buck... I thought you didn't answer support questions on this board. Why you so active in this thread all of a sudden?

LOL. oh ok. so i can steal your traffic and defraud your company as long as i wear a name badge. :1orglaugh :upsidedow

educate yourself a little bit. Do a search on Gator and their lawsuit for this same shit. Or just read what I copied and pasted in a post above.

the ' hot bar " lable on the bottom and the TOS the surfer agrees to (that they never read) might be enough to protect them from a surfer sueing them, but it is no defense on how they are defrauding other businesses with their "advertising" tactics.

Do you think it should be legal that 80 million pcs would click a link to quickbuck and they end up on pimproll?

one word: fruad.

when someone clicks a link to go to a ccbill signup page and another companies sign page pops up over it, it is fraud. It is deception as well to the surfer because now they signup to the wrong site, and not what they wanted in the first place. It is fraud for the person / company losing the sale. The intent is very clear and zango set up their program to allow people to do just this because the more profitable they can make it for their traffic users, the more the people will be willing to spend on the traffic. which makes them more money.

I don't understand either. I would be pretty easy I suspect for Zango to spot the domains used by most of the major online processors and payments systems and make that a "no go" for popups. You would think they would also consider anything that is an https (secure) as "off limits".

very easy. would take them a few minutes to compose a list. But i suspect that those urls make the most money for the people buying traffic from them. So the more the people targeting those urls make, the higher the bid prices for those urls, the more zango makes. They wouldn't block those they are too greedy to lose that income.


Ron, if you still reading this zango accounts for roughly 1 - 2% of all traffic, reported by several people here looking at their logs. Some people have reported higher. 1% to an affiliate might not be a lot of money, 1% to a program owner, who loses 1% from each of his affiliates ads up a lot. You guys losing 1% of all your transaction to this shit has to be a ton of money. ANYONE with zango on their pc, which estimates around 80 million infected pcs, who tries to go to a ccbill signup page is not going to signup with ccbill because your url is being targeted. Please nail these guys, the people buying traffic from them, and the companies who are acepting the traffic.

Ron, I would add this:

it would be interesting for CCBill to monitor the amounts of Zango (and similar) products that are being used. It would also be interesting, I am sure, to look at the amount of sales generates relative to Zango infected traffic. If the average is 1 or 2% infection rate, but a site is getting 20% or more of it's sales from Zango infected customers, it might be an indication that they are actively using Zango as a traffic source. It would be worth looking at that traffic source to see where the traffic is coming from, see if they are targeting against other billing companies / signup pages.

Not sure what the ramifications would be, but if nothing else, it would be nice to see an "infection report" every month or something to let us all know what is really happening from a very large sample.

This would be good to be back on page 1 for a while.

:thumbsup:

and props to ccbill :thumbsup

Which means that as usual, the guy with the money that CAN do something about it, will lay down and do nothing, or take a pay off and fuck the little guy.

Lets see what happens here.

Zango backed down to ccbill: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/775037-zango-ccbill-situation-resolved.html

At this point, I will wait for something more official from Ron.

If this is true, then once again reality has made someone into a Legendary Liar.