Then after you calf it and decide to take off with some Mexican, dont come crying for child support.

Its YOURS.... remember?

so labret...go the distance and have that vasectomy. since all women are untrustworthy, why take the chance?

why can't men be more responsible and ensure they don't put themselves in an unwanted pregnancy situation? you don't want to be "tricked" then put on a glove.

it may take one to carry it, but it still takes two to make it and two WILL be responsible for it's welfare.

mexican? sounds like a personal experience.

Yet its only one persons decision on whether or not to terminate?

Typical self-serving woman bullshit. Its my decision, my body, my baby, but if I decide to have it YOU pay for it. Nice. American women should be sterilized.

Trust me, I want a vasectomy. The last thing I need and or want is a little screaming sack of guts eating my money, time, and life away. And if for some reason one ever pops up, good luck finding me in Costa Rica.

As for the beaner... comment served its purpose in that I needed to pick an ethnic group for added punch to the statement.

But you would feel comfortable having it destroyed ?????

Let me add an appendum to the original question .

How many pro-choicers are anti-Capital Punishment ?

then please get your vasectomy labret. what's stopping you? my brother is a nasty curmudgeon just like you and had one before he was forty. that way we evil evil women can not hurt you like we apparently have so in the past.

ps: i believe capital punishment has merit. i just find it's rarely doled out to those with the priciest lawyers.

Not sure why some of you guys think that pregnancy is the "fault" of the woman. Another show of male irresponsibility? Or not enough sex education? Takes two to get pregnant for those that don't know and birth control is also the responsibility of both.

Pro choice does NOT mean pro abortion. It means just as it says, pro CHOICE. If I fell pregnant its highly likely I would not abort. However, should pregnancy in some way severely threaten my health or even my life then the CHOICE to terminate would be a welcome one.

If its my body that is in the state of pregnancy then it is my choice what to do about it. Sure I will take advice from my partner but ultimately it is my decision. Until the day I squirt that baby out I consider it to still be a part of my body and MY rights lie with MY body.

It does happen, and its a shame, that some irresponsible couples choose to use abortion as birth control but thats no reason to take away everyone else's right to freedom of choice.

What really surprises me that ANYBODY in the adult business could be Pro Life. Why on earth would you want to put your believe on me?

You choose to be in the Adult Business

I personally choose not to have an abortion, however

I WOULD NOT TELL YOU what to do with your life!!

Thats Pro Choice. Let us choose what to do with our life and our bodies.

Freedom, Pro Choice, Let us choose!

1) there needs to be better birth control options, and free avalibility of them.

2) I am pro choice, I dont think the government has any right to say what I can and cannot do to my body. However, if it came to that situation, I dont think I could go through with it. but it is my right to choose.

3) if the guys arent prepared to take responsibility for accidents, then dont fuck. we all know that birth control isnt 100%, but you made the choice.

4) anyone that goes in for more than one abortion needs to be seriously counseled. Accidents happen, however, if they arent using any freaking protection, then they are fucked up themselves.

aahahahahaha my beautiful best friend who I thought was in married bliss the past year and a half, well that sounds just like something the now EX husband is saying to her. Funny.

Even funnier that during their first marital problems she moves out for a couple months, moves back in and all seemed great. She tells the world she is pregnant. The stories begin to change. She files for divorce and well her ex called me a week ago and it turns out she has been fucking some other guy since January (the huge $$ wedding was barely last october) and now she is not only divorcing her husband, she tells him she is not sure if it is his as her "condom" story was bullshit.

I am pro choice in the legal sense, but having never been a whore myself I do not think using abortion as birth control is right. This friend of mine decided to have this kid mostly because she has had probably a dozen abortions or so (nobody really knows) and fears she may not be able to have a healthy child.

Its sad, and I will go as far as saying its almost a mental problem, girls who have abortions every year. On the other hand, I see abused and neglected children all the time and think aside from abortion laws people should require some sort of LICENSE or fucking permit to have kids. KIDS having kids. Its out of control. I am so sick of seeing young girls in tight jeans and little tops with their titties flopping out pushing STROLLERS down the street. Its disgusting.

There are young girls who don't know shit about the world and life in general, but they can take a shot in the uterus and stand in line at the welfare office -- totally legal. Yet the same young girls (depending on their age of course) cannot vote, gamble, drink legally and all that stuff. But they can have a fucking kid. Unreal.

But hey, KARMA is gonna getcha.

Please explain this.

those are completely different in my opinion. but i do i believe capitol punishment should include attempted murder and rape.

killing a newborn baby is completely different then having an abortion. you can argue all you want with me and i won't change my opinion so don't even bother.

there should not be a limit on the number of abortions - that'd be an issue pretty quickly when someone's raped after having an abortion.

i think sterilization needs to be offered and educated early on as a form of birth control. as early as they start teaching about sex. (of course, i'd rather the parents deal with it, but the parents, in general, do not.)

so along side the basket of condoms they hand out to kids in school, they should have a "basket" of business cards for local sterilization surgeons.

I've heard these exact same lines from countless women on this issue and it still doesn't work for me. I understand what you're trying to say, and I AM pro choice.... but saying that mens opinions on it don't matter is bullshit. We are just as if not MORE responsible in the eyes of the world for a new child and women are the first ones pinning down that responsibility on the men after a child is born, so don't say we don;t have a voice in the matter, because we do. If you don't want men to have an opinion on it, then take on the full responsibility of the child and leave the guy alone.

Clearly wanting the cake and eating it too. If you were pregnant, suddenly it's all about, "it takes two", "support this, support that", "you need to be responsible".... we see the shit on Oprah all the fucking time... and they even go so far as to create new labels for men such as "Deadbeat Dads" etc... yet we get zero opinion on the issue of abortion? I think not. It's a 2 way street dear... with responsibility comes a price.

but I'm still pro choice, which lands me squarely back in your corner..... I just get sick of hearing how mens opinions on the issue mean nothing. Obviously, they do mean something.

Very revealing . I could always change my mind on anything ,including abortion , if presented with stong enough reasons . But at least you admit to being closed minded .

What about a young girl that gets raped and gets pregnant? Under no circumstances should she be forced to bring that child into the world. Especially considering chances are good her life will be ruined by doing so. On another note, sometimes forcing people to take responsibility for their actions is not the right course of action.

Women cannot come on this board and effectively argue the my body my choice stance. It's just not gonna fly here.

Of course a raped 12 year old should not be forced to have it. But they should end it in the first month. I never said abortion should be illegal.



What? Please elaborate.

This ought to be good.

my daughter is adopted.

make your choice before you have sex. not after.

Abortion is a girl's choice. Dont want a baby, don't have one.

i'm not closed minded at all. just some things there isn't anything that would change my mind. its like you trying to tell me 2+2=5.

someone is going for a DVD

Nor is it the woman's body, health, or life (except rarely). It's the baby's. The woman chose to spread her legs and allow herself to be penetrated knowing full well the possible consequences.

so people aren't allowed to have sex? you can take all the birth control you want, it can happen. if the child isn't wanted and adoption isn't the way they want to go, then have the abortion.

They can have all the sex they want but everyone knows that birth control is not 100% effective. Therefore, if a pregnancy results, there will be a baby that needs to be taken care of, not murdered in the womb.

if we can't control birth rates, thats not very good for a society. if someone doesn't want to have a child, its their choice.

its not murder if its not a fully functional human. thats not really a discussion i want to get into. have you ever murdered a sperm?

pimpdog is the result of someone not aborting when they should have.

Tell you what... go to Arlington National Cemetary and look at all the crosses, 99.99% of them male bodies put at risk so that you could make that ignorant and selfish statement in a free country. That alone gives us men the right to express ourselves on just about any topic.

Obviously, when men talk about abortion, we don't have a dog in the fight, but one might argue that because of that, our views will tend to be more objective, right?

A foetus is living human tissue with its own genetic code, arms and legs and a head. Nothing you say can wish that fact away: it's a different person.

Now, I believe in the rule of law so I don't believe in laying down in front of women going in for abortions, but I don't think it's a good thing. I don't think unwanted children are a good thing, either.

Obviously, in the case of incest or rape, it's a special case, but otherwise, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to keep from getting pregnant. It takes some birth control and some self control, the latter apparently being in short supply.

I think one of the things which has increased sexual irresponsibility has been the idea that the male shares some responsibility. This has the advantage of sounding nice and democratic, but like most concepts of shared responsibility, it has the result of making no one responsible.

If there was a chance I might get horribly ill and die if I did sex the wrong way, I'd be very careful about sex. I wouldn't make it the other party's responsibility: I would take responsibility for myself. However, what we forget is that it is the woman who gets pregnant, so it is really Nature's choice that it be her responsibility to avoid unwanted pregnancy.

Not only are there lots of ways to avoid pregnancy, there are even lots of ways for a COUPLE to avoid pregnancy. Oral sex, anal sex, mutual masturbation, and so on. I don't feel sorry for a woman who gets pregnant without wanting to, because it's unlikely shy got into that situation by acting responsibly.

Ok... all my life I thought 'if you play with fire you're gonna get burned' so if you aren't ready to suffer the consequences, then don't play the game. I was very closed-minded at the time and basically, never bothered with anybody's excuses.

I had a friend who was getting married and her husband-to-be's sole objective was to have another child and to get her pregnant, preferably after they married but it happened before. He was the happiest man on earth until she reached her 11th week - then he decides that he doesn't want the baby - So there were decisions she had to make and fast - by the 10th week the embryo is considered a fetus and the risks of cancer and death for the mother would be considerably higher. Although this was not her choice, she either went ahead with it, or faced bringing up a child on her own (he wanted nothing to do with it). Seeing his crazy behaviour, she no longer wanted anything to do with him - and he vowed that he would make her life miserable (for the next 18 years) if she continued the pregnancy. So she went ahead and had the abortion (while he watched) and was miserable for a long time after that.

When I heard her story, in my opinion, she did the right thing. Rather than having that child suffer with a father that didn't want it *anymore* (like if it was something he bought in a moment of weakness) - or give it up for adoption - she decided to put a stop to everyone's misery.

Was it the best choice? I don't know, but I can only imagine that it's not easy making decisions like that especially when the baby was desired and not a *mistake*.

I don't agree with women who have sex unprotected, have different partners and have abortions because they can't use protection or withdrawal method or swallow (last I heard, that doesn't get you pregnant). Nor do I agree with men who claim *baby, its just not the same with a rubber on* or *let me explode just this once inside of you - nothing's gonna happen....trust me* Everyone's got a responsibility. I think ultimately, there should be a choice - preferably, it should be taken prior to the stick going in for a dip - but rather than having a bunch of unwanted - not cared for - abandoned - or even worse, finding babies left to die on the streets hours after birth, women should have a choice to terminate it.

Trixxie, I've met lots of people who were abandoned or unwanted by their father, and most of them would not have wanted to miss out on their life despite that one bad turn.

However, in THAT situation in particular, I do think the guy shouldn't be forced to get married, but should have been legally forced to support the child.

Pro choice or anti choice is more like it.

You believe in freedom, or you don't.

You're with us or you're against us.

If you don't like women having a choice, then go to Iraq you terrorist!

:)

If women used more of the choices they have and made them more wisely, there would be a lot fewer abortions.

When it comes to the decision to physically carry a child to term, that decision should ultimately be decided by the person who has to most to lose/risk. The woman clearly is that person.

Contrary to misguided beliefs expressed in this thread, gestating a baby is/can be extremely dangerous to any woman. A pregnant woman faces possible high blood pressure, diabetes and even death. I almost died giving birth.

To say that the father's opinion does not matter at all was extreme on my part. Nevertheless, the father does not risk their life and therefore their choice must take a back seat to the choice of the one who has the most to lose, the woman.

Choosing to carry a child to term should be a mutual decision between both progenitors but let's be realistic. Historically and statistically, women are the ones who mostly stay with and raise kids. Marriage was invented primarily to protect offspring from men's natural tendency to flee impending fatherhood. In times when mortality was high and females were not allowed to work in jobs, the only way to insure future generations would flourish was through the protection of children by the laws governing marriage/property/inheritance.

Today, population growth is not our concern as a species. Marriage is less and less a societal norm. Does this mean we have to go back to the days of exposing our unwanted infants in the town square? Do we return to the times where fellas got to make the babies yet didn't have to stick around? Is that how you want it?

There a three decisions to be made concerning a child:

1) To concieve it
2) To let it live
3) To raise it

I think that father/mother are both equally responsible for decisions one and three. Decison two should ideally be made by both parties but the one with the most at stake (the mother) should always have the last word.

there ya go.... much better. :winkwink:

but I got one little monkeywrench left to toss in there....

If decision 1 was thoughtfully considered, then #2 should not be a decision. It ties in fully with #1. To decide to conceive it IS a decision to let it live... unless, of course, there are some unforseen exceptional medical reasons why #2 has once again become a separate decision after the fact.

Thus, barring medical complications after the fact, if number 2 is to be a decision, number 1 cannot have existed. And if number 1 was not a conscious decision, then I must disagree on final word being placed solely with the female of the equation, because you are then deciding number 3 FOR the male. We both know that once number two has been decided in favor of life, that number 3 is no longer an option for the male, whether he likes it or not.

And that ain't right.

Yeah, it IS your bod..... but in that decision lies not only the future of the pending child, but also the future of a man's life.

all decisions default to decision one is my point. it seems to me, this decision has been shouldered by women too long, mostly AFTER decision two has been made. :Graucho

Every case is individual..all life is sacred.

Factors such as rape, life threatening illness, and many other aspects affect this most difficult of all choices.

I don't believe it is positive to generalise. I think every situation needs to be looked at on it's merits.

I am a father of 2 children. And my wife and I are awaiting the birth of our baby in November. My personal choice is obviously pro-life.

I cannot judge anyone elses choice or circumstances, only my own.

I cant believe we allow women to mouth off like this.

200k years of sapien evolution down the shitter in this country.

Some countries still keep their bitches in check.

Sacred to who?

i wuff you too :Kissmy

I am not going to get you pregnant. Stop asking.

just think of the potential human lost each time some one jerks off to internet porn. ditto for each time a female has her period.

:(