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Kinda funny search engines are meant for searching not population of bullshit making life harder for people to find what they want.. Google is trying to fix this and people are getting pissed. Play the game like it is suppose to be played and not the short term buck and gain long term results.
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Vick, excessive linking to a single place could be a problem even. Again, you do not know what the parameters are, most of us are guessing, but I could guess that the value of a site that links only to 1000 google pages would be pretty low, regardless of who links to you.
As your youtube, first things first. It doesn't matter HOW it got there, it is a question, is youtube showing pr3? Answer is yes, and you lose your $950. IN fact, it continues to show a PR3 right now. That isn't artificial or an error, that is how the update ran and that is that. If there is a problem, it is likely that youtube.com breaks one or more of the rules for calculating PR or generating the index page, and now Google will have to manually cheat the system to bring their baby back. At that point, PR8 or PR10 would be entirely fake, and not representitive of what the domain would have earned when subjected to the same update as the rest of us. What you see at PR3 is what everyone else would have been judged to have, if they weren't owned by google. |
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No offense, but you only can see what toolbar is showing, and thats it. It need something more to determine the validity of PR. And validity is what I am betting on. I am betting the apparent PR3 is not actual PR, and professionals know who to determine this. :) Quote:
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Alright dude, i do not feel like continue this debate with you as I know you won't even try to understand anything other than your own knowledge and beliefs, may be its ego or something. In case you think I am incorrect, ask someone with some knowledge to post in this thread .. I am not sure but baddog or pr0 might help. And finally, can you explain this screenshot? What is this? What result this query was assumed to return? And did it return what i should? What you understand from the result returned? http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9311/77709592uj3.jpg |
Yesterday I was approached by two different people that were concerned with their drop in PR, both for the same concern: Other sites would not trade with them because they only traded with sites that were a PR3 or PR4.
My personal opinion: unless those sites were going to bring in a lot of additional traffic, I would not be too concerned with doing trades with them. |
Hey Vick, I understand PR. I understand you are trying to wiggle out of a bet on a technicality, but EVERY OTHER FUCKING SITE ON THE NET IS SUBJECT TO THE SAME RULES THAT HIT YOUTUBE. Youtubes PR right now is 3. Google may manually correct it to fix things for thier property, but the reality is that ANY OTHER FUCKING SITE WOULD STAY PR3 AND BE FUCKED.
I understand exactly what you are saying and in all cases, I think you are full of shit. Simple, no? |
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your ego is simply too big, as compared to your knowledge (at least about PR) :thumbsup I am not surprised, 4 years on gfy should have similar effects .. I will be the same after a couple more years :winkwink: Reminder: you forgot to answer my questions about the screencap :pimp It was nice talking to you, bye bye! |
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Judging from what I have read here, I guess I should be happy I actually stayed the same on every domain. I was disappointed at first, but at least I never went down in PR http://www.iconwild.com/smilies/conf...smiley-040.gif
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What you are trying to say is "it shouldn't be like that", and I am saying "proof is in the pudding, the answer is right there on your toolbar, on the PR lookup tools, and on the PR watch websites". It may be an error, but more likely is the true situation of youtube that google will adjust manually to protect it's interests. Quote:
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oh yeah, according to Google's toolbar, the PR of youtube is 4... but most datacenters are still showing 3.
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I could answer many question of yours and raise many from your post, but as I said, I am not arguing on this anymore. Your 10 years of experience in porn is not letting you hear anyone else. So, i'd not waste more time.
With the 10 years in the industry, you must know some highly professional SEO related people. Why not you ask any buddy of yours to read what I said about fake PR? I highly doubt you'd. |
And frankly, if your ego do not stop you .. and you have 10 minutes for chit chat about this, hit me up at 287-211-699
It will be nice to have a chat with ya. |
The entire first post is incorrect and is based on flawed knowledge
The update that just occured was a PR (displayed on the toolbar) rollout - it WAS NOT a Page Rank update - those occur every day at Google. The only thing that got updated is that pretty little green line that you idiots use to buy and sell and trade links with - which is right now a little over 3 months behind the real PAGE RANK of the pages. baddog - you are entirely correct :thumbsup |
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Like this is news? Every time people talk about PR update, a fucker comes up and tells people that its not update, and google updates the internal PR constantly .. blah blah. Do you seriously think we don't know that? When we say PR update, its fucking means toolbar PR update, or PR export to toolbar.. while keeping in mind its a snapshot of internal PR, approx a month or so old. So, you are wrong at your 3 months bullshit. Thanks for adding, though :thumbsup |
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google knows it all - not only about who and how selling links but:
1. how long vistors stay on Your pages and how deep they are going in order to get valuable information from browsing sites in Google search results 2. Google knows how much traffic You get 3. Google respects You if You provide good links for people, so take a look at the site before You link it from Your pages 4. and of course google bans some sites, my bidding directory now has PR2 instead of PR4 I got 3 years ago Google knows Your site real value about dumb question "how google knows"? Do You use gmail? sid down please and watch this movie http://www.masterplanthemovie.com/ |
YouTube's PageRank Drama Continues... [Calling all PageRank Nerds Inside]
nvm .. wrong thread.
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Time to surf my sites some.
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And since you are the one that posted that it is quarterly - you know that it will be 3 months old by the time the next one gets rolled out - although I would like you to PROVE (not someones guess) that it is one month old - dont state things as facts unless you can back it up with actual proof (BTW - articles and posts on SEO boards dont count as proof) |
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I mean, if PR is 3 months old and age of the page if just 1 month .. it should not have PR in this update. |
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wow I have better PR :)
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second, I don't have to ask my SEO friends... they have already come through the thread and giggled at you and moved on. It's all the same thing in the end. youtube's PR was 8, then was 3, then was 4, and now this morning has returned to 8, effectively as google has manually repaired their algo / calculation mistakes. The point being that many other sites that saw PR go up or down in the lastest visible update may be subject to the same thing. Youtube is different only because it is high profile and Google has a real interest in keeping it as a strong hub style site. They fixed it, but how many other sites get the same thing but don't get fixed because it isn't to google's advantage? You, like most other "seo" people are making semi-educated guesses at what Google does. Don't deride other people because they do the same. |
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Fuck, some of those sites really took a big hit!
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A page that was created on September 30th should not have PR, if the snapshot was taken 3 months back, because the page was not live at that time. Will you count this as proof? |
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thxs foR the info...
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good job!!!
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good job!!!
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Thanks Linkster! |
I have no idea what I am doing and all mine went up to PR3-PR5
Most were PR1 or even 0 |
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Only if it is on a brand new domain that has never had any pages whatsoever loaded on it would it be proof - you are making way too many assumptions about how Toolbar PR works - it just doesnt work the way most are mislead to believe. XXXJay - you and I have been doing this for way longer than these people - hell since before there was a "google" - and I remember you used to work with one of the better SEO companies back then - before it was calle SEO :1orglaugh I remeber some of the articles the guy you worked with wrote for the adult industry - cause he and I always played at disagreeing :thumbsup |
All these accusations, hairsplitting and the pissing match who knows most about SEO and who is right will lead nowhere and help noone.
We all agree that PR and rankings are not directly related, but PR isn't totally irrelevant since many people rely on it for link trading, as an indicator. Overvalued, but still an indicator how much google values a certain site. Now, if this indicator drops for alot or even the majority of sites, it could mean two things: 1. A general global change, so we just need to get used to it without consequences. 2. A devaluation of certain factors common to loads of sites. So, if there is a chance that 2. is true, it's necessary to figure out what's the reason since I wouldn't want to wait until rankings maybe affected as well. Just sitting there and saying what was true for the last 5 years will be true forever means relying on proven facts, but as soon as the facts change you are fucked. There are sites, especially directories, that dropped from 5/6/7 to 0, they may still get the same traffic, but assuming a change like this won't ever affect the SERPS long term is pretty risky in my opinion. |
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