You rotten Yankee! You forgot to mention it is FREE!!

You are wrong. Michael Moore twisted his statistics to get the results he wanted. You can't argue with that --it is a FACT. CNN debunked Moore's statistics, and so did others.

Did Tony use *any* statistics from Michael Moore to write his post??? Duh??

What's this loving relationship, or is it another blinding hate fetish, over Michael Moore?? :1orglaugh

I must be the only person who's happy with my healthcare in the US, lol. I broke my foot 2 months ago and just had surgery for a different reason and both went like a dream as far as I'm concerned. Two different hospitals with one being rural and the other in one of the burbs with a huge income average - got great care both places.

I have a high deductible since I rarely have deductible related costs (I pay a set amount for visits and prescrips that don't apply to the deducible) so I had to pay a lot out of pocket, but that was my decision - it's certainly not the fault of the health system.

American needs to make it mandatory to have SOME sort of health insurance - basic catastrophic policies. In most states you're required to insure your car, but not your body. Crazy. Too many people are making enough to buy a big screen TV, a fancy car and take trips to play but don't have a basic policy.

As far as kids, most states have VERY low cost insurance that covers kids. In GA I think you can make up to $42K a year with 2 kids and still qualify.

Did MM touch on the annual incomes of people who aren't insured and how many who could take advantage of their state's inexpensive offerings for their kids, but don't?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The US has shown me so far that anything they can do, the private sector can do better. If they are going to Universal Care, I want to be able to opt out of it. In the interviews I've seen MM in, he's said he thinks insurance companies need to go away completely - I'm VERY against that. I think if I can afford to pay for my own insurance, I should be given that ability.

Aren't you like 50 years old? Oh sorry for being Anti American goverment, like the rest of the world outside of america...idiot. :1orglaugh

you just believe urban legends .... don't you ever search ... for yourself or you simply just believe what ever your extreme right wing folks tell ya ... ????

wouldnt you rather pay a tax on your paycheck than 100 grand for certain surgeries? there are 300 million people in the U.S. not everyone is goingto be able to survive on that system. Its supposed to be UNITED...TEAM

2 things:

1st: last time i checked Americans pay an arm and a leg on income tax anyways, paying for the other things that are supposedly more important

2nd: The current system in the U.S. costs the country more than it does in canada, U.K., and France

You need to get out of the US more, because that is 100% simply not true.

So if you're taken into a hospitol after a bad car cash and need to stay there for 6 months but can't afford it or have no health insurance then what do they do? throw you out on the street to die??

They can't do anything to you. If you can't pay you can't pay.. tough luck for them.

Right and right.

We can spend hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq, but we can't insure our own people.

#2 is the biggest takeaway from SICKO- the US spends MUCH MORE than any other country on health care, and is yet rated extremely low because of how crappy the care is for an average American (probably it is rated so low because of all our uninsured).

Even a highly bureaucratic and wasteful system administered by the Government is better than a system where there are so many middle men trying to make profit off of insurance, care, medicine and everything in between. The invisible hand of capitalism in health care keeps people sick, on many different medications and never "cured".

Dont worry about Buzzy...... he is just a fucking idiot. :321GFY

ok I read this thread a few days ago and thought... health care can't be that bad, this is going to be Michael Moore's worst movie ever. I really do like his movies, so I rented it anyway. Just finished it.

I just have to say:
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Holy Shitfuck Batman. Holy Shitfuck.

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It seriously makes me feel ashamed to be proud of my country. It makes me want to move.

We also watched sicko last night, and I didnt know it was quite this extreme (where the insurance companies can just deny most requests for health care). We live in spain, and the Social health care hospitals are also not the best, so on top of me paying the social security and health care bit, I also got an additional Private international health care insurance. Which is great. In may this year i had to get some basic surgery, and didnt pay a thing. However just to show how messed up things are in USA, when we were in Vegas for internext in 2006, i had some problems with my foot. Got of the plane and 2 days later my foot was twice the size, and it looked like i had trombosis. Never had it before, so it was freaking me out. So we go to a hospital in Vegas, somewhere near MGM. I pull out my insurance card which has global coverage, and ofcourse, (dont take this to hard USA folks) narrow minded that the USA society is, they never heard of my insurance policy (as it wasnt Blue Cross or a famous USA insurance), and they only way i was getting looked at, was if i pulled out mr good ole VISA, and charged me $500 BEFORE getting PASSED the waiting room. Yes sir. I was like wtf is this bullshit, but i had no choice. Then after they looked at me, i asked for an invoice for what i just paid, so i could atleast claim it back once i got back home. Well as im sure ALOT of my fellow europeans know, the USA doesnt have such a thing like an "invoice", atleast not with the requirements for it to be valid here in Europe. So i received the closest i could get after an hour argueing at the front desks, and continued my trip.

I mean so much for global insurance coverage, when you go to USA and the only insurance coverage they recognize is fucking VISA or AMEX. For those that have seen sicko, well when those canadian relatives were closing insurance JUST to go to the USA, i can now understand that. This was just a stupid $550 payment, and nothing to serious, but what if something serious would have happened to me. Even i, as a NON usa citizen with private insurance with global coverage, would have gotten a serious anal treatment.

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One thing to keep in mind, is that with michael moore movies they obviously try to pick the best bits of all the other countries. Like UK's killer health care system, or that france comes and do your laundry and all that. Well its not always THAT much of a pink world either :P

All i can say is.... medicine is big business in America.

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New York has some sort of point system for surgeons.. Successful operations = more points..

This moronic system had surgeons refusing to operate on high risk patients for fear of losing precious points, so these patients would have to find a surgeon in another state..

Yes life is priceless, but points are much more important to these fuckwads..