Sir,

Does this mean that you cannot defend your "arguments" and opinions expressed by you in this thread?

I've suggested this to you before, and you obviously didn't listen - turn off the radio. :)

Three or four dozen? Name me a dozen? No I am not thick enough to believe the ones that have been caught are the only ones doing "this shit". How many more are about to go down? I am not a soothsayer, but I suspect that at some point there will be more.

No it does not.

Dont you think the Chinese and North Koreans are more of a threat?

Iraq is no threat. Dont be a pinhead. We can stomp his guts out in a weekend. That is no threat.

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The people aren't the corporations, and the corporations aren't the people ... but take away the corporations, and the people won't have shit ... jobs, food, cars, money, luxury etc ...

People bitch that republicans give money (tax breaks etc) to the rich .. well i mean damn ... the people who are rich are obviously intelligent and most likely own a company that is providing jobs for the not so rich people ... so by giving the money to the people who will invest the money correctly they are basically just channelling it through them to keep the not so rich people from wasting it etc ..

Or something ...

I don't view the Chinese as a threat at all, at this point. The North Koreans may have to be dealt with if they become overly foolish, but I am under the impression that doors have been opened and the North and South are extending tenative hands toward one another.

And I must have done told you at least 4 times I do not listen to the radio.... my TV is on Clinton News Network (CNN) ALL The day long...

You seem to be suffering with the same confusion that the insignificant DrewKole is suffering with.

I could have rattled off any number of other countries that have no love for the United States that are both nuclear capable and more than likely have biological weapons... or as the media loves to say every 5 minutes, the dreaded "Weapons of Mass Destruction". Whom also support terrorists. Yet we dont have a hard-on for doing them in.

The point is, claiming he is a threat is absurd. The guy knows if he farts the wrong way his ass is grass. Uh oh, he may launch some outdated scud missiles at Israel... devastating.

And besides, I thought we were after Osama. The actual threat.

I won't bother arguing this point. It isn't a matter of mind reading.

SpaceAce

Look at it from another perspective and you will find that the people who got rich needed the average normal workers to do their job and provide a stable base for the rich corporate head to profit from. So making it look like the CEO's are suddenly responsible for employment is ofcourse not entirely true.

1 + 1 = 2

I would like to discuss the phenomenon "mind reading", please open a new thread so we can debate.

A rather interesting subject.

this shit comes up on this board 2 or 3 times per week.... fuck it... I got's to go make some $$$'s....

Your counter point is well made and correct. He is not a current threat and Weapons of Mass Destruction are not the entire reason for the invasion, but would you agree that if you have intentions of invading it is best to do it before he does get a nuclear capability?

If you are not a mind reader then please refrain from telling me what I believe or do not believe. If you question something then please ask the question.:)

Than for god sake, lets take down Iran, Syria and Yemen!

I really dont think that even if he was nuclear capable, he would use them on the United States without being attacked. He knows his entire nation would be turned into a sheet of glass in no time flat. To say it would be counter productive to attack the United States is an understatement. It took how many days to remove the Taliban?

I dont trust any of those small little shit countries with nukes. The only country I hear in the region threatening to use them is Israel.

I dont think he has them, and if he does, the ground troops that try and attack him are gonna find out real quick, the hard way. Or if we are real lucky he had them smuggled into the United States and planted in various cities. Its not like he can launch them and hit us.

Is he a threat? Yes. Can I think of about 40 other threats? Yes.

One at a time please:winkwink:

Fine, here's ones I can think of off the top of my head. You are welcome to check my numbers in places where I say "about" or "more than" because that means I couldn't remember the precise numbers.

Waste Management, INC. Until Enron, the largest public collapse. Many dollars down the tube, lives ruined, etc. (This one is a few years old, the rest are in the last 1-2 years.)

Enron - we all know what happened here. Paper transactions, billions in debt shuffled off the books to their own subsidiaries, bribery, etc. Much bullshit, many dollars lost, pension plans gone (PUBLIC ones, as well, I might ass since many states own stock for their workers).

Haliburton - passed something over $100,000,000 in bogus costs on to customers.

Xerox - in the last five years or so has completely invented over $1.5 billion in earnings.

The Baptist Fund - wiped out the savings of over 10,000 people by falsifying records and cooking the books. Somethinig on the order of $700,000,000 gone into thin air. The Largest ever collapse of a non-profit instituion. Left thousands of people absolutely destitute.

WorldCom - cooked the books to the tune of around $4,000,000,000 dollars and gave under-the-table off-the-books loans to their founder.

Adelphia - over $3.1 billion in illegal load actvity to the Rigas Family along with artificially inflating earnings and hiding debt. Some of these guys are on their way to jail.

Arthur Anderson - auditors for Enron, WorldCom, The Baptist Foundation AND Waste Management (probably others, too, but those are the ones I remember).

Merck - in the last few years has booked over $12 billion in non-existent revenue. They just made it up. They never collected it, but it went on their books.

Not quite a dozen, but not bad for just reading the papers in the last few months. EVERY one of these companies has cost people money in their stocks, pension plans, salaries and have hurt the economy through loss of jobs, decline in value, etc. Every single one of these companies got away with it for a long time because the laws are geared for the corporations and not the people. If the laws were not so unduly friendly to the corporations, Arthur Anderson wouldn't have been able to fuck everyone so hard for so long, Enron would not have gotten away with the same shit Waste Management did and there would be 10,000 Baptists with enough money to live instead of having to lean on family or collect welfare (more damage to the economy).

So, unless you're paying attention, don't waste your time calling me out.

SpaceAce

I don't think the two can be compared.

I have read several reports and analysis from defense specialists and the reports show that Saddam Hussein has control over well trained special forces, albeit a small amount of troops - they can cause injury and death to US ground troops. His main army is a wreck, his elite troops are not too loyal. But his "super" elite soldiers are his best bet, they protect him and his family and they are loyal.

Even if the US completely destroys cities like Bagdad, Samarra and others - you still have the problem of getting Saddam who fled the scene of war by using his extensive network of underground tunnels.

At any point....

The Taliban did not have an organized army like Saddam has, Saddam has tanks and an airforce and the opposition in Iraq is not as strong as the Nothern Alliance in Afghanistan.

It's really a function of how nuts he is. Is he really around the bend? Does he really believe in holy war or that having his nation turned into slag is worth it if he slaughters some infidels on the way out?

We can be pretty sure he doesn't have any ICBMs to hit us with and if he does have nukes, it can't be very many. Saddam is clearly not a threat as far as taking out our entire nation, but would we really want to lose a stadium with 70,000 people in it, either?

As far as total destructive power, he is not the biggest treat to the USA, but he does seem like one of the more vocal and perhaps willing to follow through if/when he gets the proper equipment and opportunity.

SpaceAce

That's true, but he doesn't have the means to get those tanks over here. Even if he could, from what I remember, they are relics and certainly can't stand up in modern warfare.

Tanks and aircraft will be moot in a real global conflict, anyway.

How does the quote go? "It is not known with what weapon World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be faught with sticks and stones."

SpaceAce

I'm going to the titty bar...see you guys later :thumbsup

Squeeze one for me.

SpaceAce

Thats what they said before the Gulf War.

4th largest army. Desert warfare specialists... yada yada yada. He crumbled like a little girl.

They managed to stop the Russians. The Taliban and its Mujahadeen were no pussies.

I was certainly not implying that Iraq has the capability to transfer military material and personnel to the United States. That would have been humorous. I was refering to a land based war between US soldiers and the Iraqi army in Iraq.

Saddam routinely kills fundamentalists in his country. This is not a holy war for him. He may use the terminology to try and gain support, but he is far from a muslim fundamentalist. He hates them. He knows there is no worse threat to his power than a powerful extremist movement in his country.

But Labret, as you know the Russians did not have the military and financial resources the US has when they fought the Taliban.

The US army used airplanes against enemy ground forces, surely there is NO doubt about the military superiority of the US army during the Afghanistan operation.

All I can really go on is the way his army disintegrated last time.

I am sure I am not the only one who remembers watching Iraqi soldiers surrender to camera crews. He is a local thug, I think, and nothing more.

I am not saying I don't think he should be delt with. I just don't think he's as dangerous (right now) as people seem to think. Of course, complacency on our part automatically makes him 10x more dangerous than he is when we're on the ball.

SpaceAce

Same fucking crying foreign idiots. Dont be mad that your country doesn't count

I said three or four you said three or four dozen. I should have qualified my statement by stating within the last year or so. Of course over the years many companies have been found guilty of crooked business dealings. You named seven and without researching the matter as far as I Know Haliburton is stlll a large and stable company. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. The laws that apply to corporations have recently been improved upon and this includes criminal law as well. Some of these people involved will eventually find themselves wearing prison denim as several of these cases are currently being investigated by the JD. Just answer this question please. Is it business, big and small, that provides the US with the number one GNP in the world?

I won't argue with that because I agree he's a paranoid fuck. I don't know enough to say with any certainty, but I imagine his slaughtering fundamentalists in order to keep his power doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't agree with some of the ideas. It just means he doesn't want competition in implementing them.

SpaceAce

The Russians spent how many years trying to do those little bastards in? They had planes, tanks, and superior weaponry. What did we give the Mujahadeen? Sure as fuck wasnt bombers and tanks.

The Mujahadeen are still kicking the Russians asses Chechnya. And with what? God and an AK47.

The point is, it took us a week to do what the Russians couldnt do in 10 years. Nobody is a threat to us. Let alone Iraq. The only thing Saddam is a threat to are the Kurds and Kuwait.

Except for Waste Management, I believe those were all since 2001.

Stable and healthy companies don't cook books like that because... they are stable and healthy and don't need to. The fact that they haven't completely collapsed _yet_ doesn't mean they can't or won't. Those examples are merely symptoms of the larger problem.

Yes, there has been a shift toward more stringent laws, recently. Let's face facts, though, that's is 100% last-minute ass-covering or those laws would have been in place decades ago.

Of course business provides any country with their GNP. So what? They generate money so they can be excused for whatever they choose to do? Baloney. That's is an <B>extremely</B> weak attempt at knocking my argument aside and I think you know it. Who benefits the most when these companies are pulling this shit? It isn't the bottom-rung grunts. They don't taste the big money or the benefits. At best, they get to keep a job. Who suffers the most when these precarious financial card-houses come down? The same bottom-rung grunts that didn't benefit while the company was getting away with it. The worker gets it in the shorts while the people who were perpetrating all the book cooking and illegal trading float away on golden parachutes. Do you really believe those people are going to be punished adequetly? Not a chance. They'll get some of the mid-high level management and the real skunks will move to Belize or keep the cases tied up in court until they die in the hut tubs of their $20,000,000 mansions.

SpaceAce

Edit: Double post.

Anyway, I have to answer over 80 questions from Paysite members so I am off.

For a part true, but still new technology and lessons learned from errors made by the Russians helped design the US military tactic(s) that gave them victory over the Taliban.

I agree that realistically speaking, no real threats to the US exists from not friendly foreign nations.

ControlThy, you are such a pathetic idiot. You must be french