In fact most people that are rich (net worth over $999,999) earned their wealth the old fashioned way. They inherited it. They have no special talent or skill they were just born into the right family. It boggles the mind to hear that some how these people should be rewarded just because they were born rich.

Yeah, and this was going on in 40's ,too

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"I think people fail to realize that without war there is no long period of peace."

... and I think idiots like you are the reason for me being so fucking inteligent ... thanks twat !!

There have been some bum deals. There always has been, and there always will be. I maintain that in general whatever is good for business, is good for America (of course with checks and balances). This includes the oil companies. These "robber baron" oil companies have, to the best of my knowledge, provided Americans with the cheaptest prices for our gas guzzling vehicles, and home fuel, etc. in the entire Western Industrialized world. I am not one that subscribes to Massivecocks NWO and the sky is falling. The USA has its problems but the end is not near. Is the reason for the invasion of Iraq based partly, or maybe even majoritively, because of Oil? It may be, but there are many other important reasons for invading Iraq. If it were only about the oil I still would not have a problem with taking control of Iraq, because it puts the US in a position to take control of the rest of the oil fields in that area, if we feel the need, and as the world oil supplies dwindle, we may feel the need. I want America to remain the richest and most powerful nation on the Earth and I really do not care whose toes may be stepped on.

Do you have a source to verify your statement that the majority of the people that are worth more than $999,999 inherited their money. It may be true. I don't know. I personally know many people, including several from my graduating high school class that are worth that much, and more, that did not inherit their money. They came from working class parents, and started out as working class themselves. In addition I don't think that in this age being worth $999,999 is a qualifier to be classified as being rich.

Ooops. Double post.

I wish I could find you some hard data right now, but I have read many articles on this over the years and it is true. One of the last articles I read was in fortune magazine. I think if you spend a little time on research you can easily verify this if you wish.

And yes you can find many examples of real life people that made it big despite the hurdles, but in terms of the rich the born rich vastly outnumber the made it themselves rich.

:thumbsup

The fact of the matter is that we (Americans) are going to take this chance to take control of the middle east...there is a load of oil there. There is 4 types of power 1. oil 2. military 3. economics 4. nuclear and we will take away the oil so that they do not have 1 3 and 4. The president sees things in the long run.

I can see the " I'm an American. Fuck the rest of the world" attitude shining through. Some people born into relative luxury begin to rot when they start taking it for granted.

It seems this is what has happened to America finally, I'm sure the founders didn't envision it. The eternal teenager America screams, blackmails and eventually lashes out in violent outrage when it isn't getting what it wants.

Wake up America ( those in america that have any real power), if you play the school yard bully or indeed abuse the less fortunate, down the road they will haunt you, memories may fade fast in the bloated/satisfied mainstream American culture, but in places where people have to struggle every day for theirs and their families lives and time after time this big brother has come to bomb the crap out of them. they wont forget and they haven't.

Dick and Donald, it's almost funny, comical, what these two did back in the 50's-60's with chemical warfare is not to be laughed at (the codenamed artichoke experiments in Germany, USA(on it's own civilians), dropping anthrax on Korea and elsewhere)

I love what America used to stand for, it's a shame she has let all that she once held sacred become a transparent facade revealing the true black cold hearted bitch driving an SUV gobbling down 99% FAT meat burgers, wasting so much when others have so little. If it isn't criminal, it is immoral.

Very well said! :thumbsup

Rest of the world needs America more that America needs the rest of the world.

Yeah that's right. We need McDonalds, shitty Hollywood movies and Britney Spears. hahahahahahaha

I have a question for those who think Bush should attack Saddam (I'm neutral in the debate - just curious). What makes you think he will be easy to find/catch? I mean he has like 20 palaces, underground tunnels and the like. Ben Ladin had only caves and maybe a couple of tunnels to hide and he ran away. Saddam might lose the control of Iraq but most likely he will be harder to find than Ben Ladin and probably escape.. And if he got all these massive-destruction weapons, I would guess he will run away with them - or samples of them, along with his "elite" force. So in the end, besides taking the control of the country, the US army won't have changed anything about the threat level.

Anyway all this to say that when everybody talks about attacking Iraq, they always seem to imply Saddam will be easy to catch or don't mind about him; anybody ever thought he will most likely run away? HE is the threat after all..

america. it's like ordering bacon and eggs and getting a bit of scrambled egg white, burnt bacon and five pounds of spam on the side.

Joe Idiot. Yes you need McDonalds, shitty Hollywood movies and Britney Spears. You know why, cause your stupid people want it. On the other hand what Australia produce? I can not remember of anything. When I go to store there is nothing Made in Australia. Oh I remember, you beer. LOL
What else. Oh I forgot, Your Great Holden cars right? Or is it owned by US company? LOL
You are not important. 20 mil. people in middle of nowhere that's all. Get over it.

You are fucking right on.... and I love it... eat your heart's out you poor bastards all over the world... I just wonder why over 90% of the rest of the world want's to come here and be.... "a transparent facade revealing the true black cold hearted bitch driving an SUV gobbling down 99% FAT meat burgers, wasting so much when others have so little. If it isn't criminal, it is immoral. ":321GFY

where is the intelligent debate coming from the " i'm american lets fuck over the rest of the world to sustain our luxury" corner.

i havnt seen it yet.

in fact all ive seen are a few should be cave dwelling apes with net access, a taste for fatty foods and air-con spouting" i'm better than you so fuck off, my daddy has more money than yours, everyone wants to come to my place cause we have the best stuff"

this is about invading iraq for power, nothing else. if you can justify it to yourself, well good for you. ignorance is bliss after all

:-)

i know alot of americans who do share my views on the current US administration and they are well educated, well informed and decent upstanding people. These people envision not only what is best for thier country, but what is best for the world as a global community that has to live together for many centuries, hopefully in peace.

will we see america continue the cycle of hate/war/violence in the world? i'd almost stake my life on a yes vote.

Is it best for the global community that Sadam remain in power in Iraq?

Why dont you worry about your government? About locking refuges in your concentration camps in the desert?

If that is what the people of Iraq desire, yes.

If saddam is removed by force and not election or succession it will _not_ encourage stability and you will see more backlash than ever before coming from the region.

If anything, the new resolutions should prompt for presidential elections in Iraq (say, in 2 years time) to let the people of Iraq decide who should lead.

Right now I think Iraq would just be happy to get their country back to the state it was in before America stared fucking them over.

The trouble all started when Kuwait began stealing Iraq's oil (America comes in, bad Iraq, *spank* let Kuwait steal oil, they sell it to us cheap! ) naughty Iraq.

Now they see Iraq wont bend to American will and saddam has been demonised.

I'm assuming you know that the US put saddam in power, helped him gain chemical agents and encouraged him to use them against Iran.

having said all that, america is a great place with a lot of great people, diamonds in the mud.

back to work. :-)

I see. Are you the brainless Aborigine brother of Joe Sixpack? I will let someone else rip your post apart. It would not give me any pleasure to do so.

It can be argued that it is better Saddam stay in power temporarily than for all countries to suddenly be allowed to attack each other without proper evidence or consultation with the United Nations. We haven't had a world war in quite a few years, and the United Nations is a big part of the reason for that.

Using Bush's logic, in fact, Iraq was probably justified in attacking Kuwait in 1990 because they might have done it to protect their best interests. After all, why should Iraq have had to prove to anyone else that they actually were threatened by Kuwait? Isn't it enough that Saddam said it, just like it's supposed to be enough that Bush says it?

Most of the people arguing against Bush aren't arguing for Saddam, they are arguing that what Bush is doing could very well cause more problems that it will solve. This is, in many cases, an argument about process more than it is an argument about Iraq specifically.

Do you believe that all countries should attack anyone they want anytime they want, without any reason that can be justified to at least a few other countries? Do you believe in anarchy and chaos, or stability in the world? Terrorism can cause instability, but so can unjustified attacks on other countries at random with no clear reasoning.

Bush was smart for framing this as "you're either with us or against us" because there are a lot of people in America stupid enough to believe it's just that simple. You either agree with Bush 100% or you agree with the terrorists, right? Anyone who takes a moment to look at the issues before chanting Bush-Bush-Bush is helping the enemy. Anyone who demands facts is the enemy. Anyone who thinks Bush is an wrong is the enemy. Anyone who thinks at all is helping the enemy. Don't think, just believe and do what you are told, or you are the enemy too.

Don't dare question anything, or you are helping the enemy. Scary stuff.

It's because you're incapable of ripping it apart. You wouldn't know how. Dimwit. :1orglaugh

The king, you are so insightful.

I also find it apparent that some people when they have no argument use abuse as their defence.

Thank you for highlighting this important point.

are you retarded?
is this Lawrence Conner is disguise?

another one, second case in point. congratulations!

ok... point by point.

backlash??? why?

can you show me a similar situation in modern history?
what about the massive backlash predicted by going to Afghanistan.

seems the only backlash was:

1) driving out the taliban
2) driving out terrorists and destroying terrorist bases
3) letting them choose their own government through democratic elections
4) rebuilding the infrastructure of the country

is that the type of backlash you worry about?

but seriously, are you retarded?
:(

Now they see Iraq wont bend to American will and saddam has been demonised.
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Saddam has been demonized why?

i thought it was because he was a brutal murderer who has done things like gas an entire villiage, killing 5000 men, women and children. i guess the details arent important :(

i did not know he was demonized because he wont "bend to American will"

OK, I can see that you are slow. Let's go again:
Australia doesn't count. That country has no power. America can buy your island with some pocket change. Remember Holden, your only car company? Now tell me who owns it. Dont be shy.
BTW I could say that your PM(what is his name Howard? I am not sure) is not much different than Bush. He is always kissing his ass anyway.

>backlash??? why?

why did 911 happen?

>can you show me a similar situation in modern history?

911

>what about the massive backlash predicted by going to >Afghanistan.

Bombings in kabul, attempted assination of the afghan president. attempted US embassy bombings last week. There's a few off the top of my head, or would you like some more 911's? maybe in another 12 months.


>seems the only backlash was:

>1) driving out the taliban

to pakistan

>2) driving out terrorists and destroying terrorist bases

to pakistan

>3) letting them choose their own government through >democratic elections


>4) rebuilding the infrastructure of the country

give them 50 billion and they might be on the way to providing food, shelter and education to their children in winter

>is that the type of backlash you worry about?

911 on a much larger scale targeting all US allies.



i'm not retarded. are you? you seem to like the word :-)

Not all of us like Howard but we all like living in Australia. Maybe one day, you'll have our standard of living. Although with the way your economy looks at the moment, I doubt it.

Please, keep your standard of living LOL
We dont want it.
And your little economy can not even compare to ours.

ok americans, will you enjoy a few more skyscrapers falling down around you? 911 was a pretty good warning of what it's going to be like if you keep fucking over other countries.

extreme fundamentalism anywhere is dangerous, even in america's christian community.

don't even get me started on the australian government, i did not vote for them and i hope they are removed from power next election.

has democracy gone nazi? looks like it.

if saddam is to be retired, which will eventually need to happen, the best way is peaceful, not forceful.

it would reflect well on america to get this right and help stop the cylcle of hatred rather than inflame it.

cheers

You at least made an intelligent post, unlike some of the other posts, so I will take the time to answer your post but not with detailed depth. I am not feeling very well and I just do not feel like going into alot of detail. While I am in favor of the continued existence of the UN it is more of a debating society than it is anything else. It has never been very useful for solving the problems of the world and the proof is in the pudding. It certainly has not been very useful in preventing a third world war. For this you can thank America and the trillions of dollars it spent over the cold war years on the "arms race", providing a Nuclear umbrella over Europe and much of Asia, for its friends and members of NATO. The US, as well as the UN, has all of the proof that it needs to overthrow Sadam. It is a no brainer. He has violated every UN resolution made against him and continues to do so. He was defeated on the field of battle and made certain agreements with the conquering Army and he has violated every one of those agreements. Any other proof of anything would just be frosting on the cake, but in fact is not needed. What other proof do you feel is needed? Pesonally I think the US has shown extreme patience with the man. He attempted to assasinate an American President. Multiple times he has called for Americans to be killed where ever they are found. We have allowed him to exist for an additional 11 years when violating every agreement he made after being defeated in one war. His forces have repeatedly lit up (targeted) and fired upon our aircraft since the existence of the two "no fly zones". He should have been overthrown a long time ago.

you are right. what is needed is a change of attitude.

for 4 years the US government tried to negotiate with the Taliban to get them to turn over Osama Bin Laden

They should not have asked.

Radical Islam is not a war against US policy. It is a war of an archaic and oppressive religion against the free world. Because those freedoms represent the opposite of everything they are and everything they stand for.

it is not a simple question of "cant we all just get along"

it is confronting the simple fact that some people want to kill everyone that is not them... based solely on religious beliefs which rewards them for doing so. they want to spread their own twisted disease that has kept most of them in the fucking stone age ... even in the 21st century.

People like Osama Bin Laden annouced to the world that they were going to begin a 'Holy War" against the US. He did it on TV in Saudi Arabia, afterwhich his passport was revoked and he was exhiled.

He began to kill Americans for several years... Embassy Bombings, Marine Barracks, USS Cole, FIRST AND SECOND attack on the World Trade Center etc.

he was never stopped because of people like you. because of political correctness. because of the hope that if you just gave peace a chance... everything would work itself out. Because people worried more about the horror of hurting someones feelings, or offending someone over the horror of watching Marine Barracks and Embassies explode.

now, it is time to try a different approach and set a new world standard for the consequences of similar behavior. the consequences of harboring, supporting, funding and training terrorists.

and for dealing with people like Saddam Hussein who have spent 11 years spitting in the face of the international Community... namely the UN Security Council while violating IN EVERY WAY the terms of his surrender after his invasion of Kuwait and every Security Council Resolution afterwards.

Why do I think I would be proud to be thought a communist by a moron like you?

Gee... you are the genius aren't you. Have you managed to work out yet that you have over 15 times the population we have. On an economic growth basis our economy has been outstripping yours for years. Your nation and your economy are living on borrowed time.

Take a look at this:

US National Debt Clock

Rather big wouldn't you say! If your country was an individual you would have been forced into bankruptcy by now. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh