Don't you mean Christianity? :1orglaugh

pleasure, and what would your new attitude invlove?

i don't think it would really be very new. do you? it's how you got into the mess you are in now.

islamic extremists are not after you because you have more than them, they hate you because you have come to their countries and forced your own will on them, which you would do again now.

I wont defend everything saddam has done, but international law is not the will of the US administration.


If someone abuses you, your sister, borther, mother and father or even kills them and does this repeatedly over generations. Will you sit and be happy or seek some form of reconcile, be it vengance or otherwise...

violence breeds violence.

does modern Christianity tell you to kill "infidels" and promise that you will be rewarded for that with 70 virgins and secure a place in "paradise" for yourself and your family?

:glugglug

i think that we dissagree. violence ends violence as well.

are you suggesting that if Europe just sat back and did nothing that Hitler would have mellowed out and lost interest in Eradicating an entire race of people while conquering the world in the process?

or do you think things were more peaceful after the German war machine was destroyed through the use of force?

i agree it's time for a change in attitude. The "lets all just try and get along" approach has never been part of american doctrine.

i've heard all the arguments and i'm not convinced, if my son or daughter had been killed in 911, perhaps i'd feel otherwise.

Really? Remember that last winter we had a good portion of the Mujahadeen on our side against the Taliban. We control 15-20% of Afghanistan tops. If the Mujahadeen decide to fight us - and the verdict is by no means in yet, as it's a big fucking country, and there are dozens of factions - our veneer of control will start showing cracks.

Not necessarily saying you are wrong, but I do think you are very much overstating the case here.

JoeClown, our debt per capita is much smaller than most of the other contries

Look at the Australian debt
http://www.satcom.net.au/freedom/debt.html

"Reserve Bank of Australia research (RDP 9405) shows that in 1993 Australia had the highest level of direct foreign investment as a ratio of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of any major industrialised country.
Youth unemployment between the ages of 15 to 24 runs at 25 % on average and is even higher in some areas. Thousands of well educated and experienced middle aged professionals languish, looking for jobs that no longer exist. Statisticians, by cooking the books, say that Australia's unemployment is at 8.6 %, or just under one million people. If we disregard that one hour's work a week classifies a person as employed, then the figure is really between 1.5 million and 1.9 million unemployed. "

and for that matter, how would you characterize Germanys relationship today with the US and the rest of Europe?

is it worse?
are people resentful, bitter and angry?
do people want revenge?

or it is simply over as the free world joins a democratic and global economy and enjoys the true freedoms that cause peace... rather than tolerating the dictators that cause hate and war.

pleasure. I assume the US does not intend to invade Iraq and slaughter 50% of the population.

Your data is seriously out of date - probably 15 years. Most of the folks worth $1M+ these days earned it themselves. You gotta get up to $10-15M before you run into the inhereted class these days.

or split the country in half for that matter. i wouldnt try to compare ww2 germany to today's iraq in the middle east, i think that would be a mistake. they are two very different situations.

uhm... what % of the population was slaughtered last time as the most massive troop mobilization and military offensive since World War Two was launched?

the figure is probably somewhere between 0% and immeasurable.

do you really believe that ANYONE is going to just walk in and start "slaughtering" civilians? thats a pretty bizarre outlook.

they are not different situations.

people knew what the threat was and spent their time mired in the pondering of "what if" scenarios and "why should we get involved" arguements as Hitler was already invading countries.

why, in the face of all the evidence, the history and his track record, would it be appropriate to wait and see how many people he kills again, who he attacks again before deciding on action?

eh, ease up big fellow.

In iraq there will be many thousands in the general populace willing to explode themselves to kill the invaders and defilers of thier land, they will instill a sense of hatred toward america in their children and so on, as you see with the israeli occupation of palestine as from desert storm, etc.

ok?

We may very well have to split it into thirds if we are looking to get out of there in 20 years ... You've got a thousand years worth of animosity between the Suni and Shitte, and of course, the Kurds in the north are the most beloved people in the Middle East. Getting it ain't gonna be the problem, but it could very well be a case of "Be careful what you ask for ... "

yeah i agree, it's ww3 lets go bomb the fuckers and kill everyone, nuke saddam! fuck em all! "america has biiig penis!"

so sad..

there have been a lot of people saying i told you so since 911, expect a few more as time goes on. have fun!

kinda like the same people that threw down the weapons and ran screaming accross the desert waving white flags and surrendering by the tens of thousands like last time?

you are making assumptions that you know you can prove and i know i cannot disprove.

Saddam Hussein has NO SUPPORT in his own country and his own government. the entire world seems to agree that Iraq will be a much better place without him, including Iraqs.

we are not talking about a situation like "how would people feel if we whacked the Prime Minister of Australia just because we can". There is no evidence to support the idea that the general population of Iraq will not be 100% supportive of removing Saddam Hussein and his government from power.

The Arab world hates Saddam Hussein. His own people hate him.

Man, you deserve a beating... did you leave your fucking country once? Did you go in Africa or Asia? Do you give a fuck about your children that might just die off the environmental problems?

You're like Bush, a fucking monkey without any intelligence.

you are the only one talking about WW3, Nuclear attacks and killing everyone while making remarks like

"fuck em all! "america has biiig penis!"

arent those the same type of baseless and ignorante remarks you were ridiculing while inviting someone to debate this issue with you??

Joe Sixpack. I apologize to you for asking slackologist if he is your brother. Even being brainless you are a genius compared to this guy.:1orglaugh

no, just the personal attacks :-) that was not directed at anyone.

i do accept your arguments and can see thier valid points.

but, i still think a less violent solution is best for THIS particular problem and would serve america and the world well for generations.

I dunno ... read the king's tagline. A whole lotta people who hate Saddam probably love their country, and would be willing to fight an invader. How seriously that's going to affect the situation remains to be seen, but don't assume that because they hate him they are going to welcome us.

YOUR arguments are naive, ideological, and mistaken in some instances. This is the real world. Violent solutions have been around since mankind has and will continue to be around until man ceases to exist. You may be very young.

the king, damn you're so funny. hahahaha. hahaha. heh.

gee, you kill me, really. all this time i thought you were a terrible person, i was wrong, you really are quite a sweetheart, oh is that your dog typing? sorry, my mistake.

how about you go back to topic shit for brains :-)

fuck this i'm starting to get to your level. later.

Occupying any country, if the majority of the people do not open their arms to the occupiers, is very difficult at best. I suspect that the majority of the Iraqi people will initially be over joyed at ridding themselves of Sadam. It is the stated intention of the Administration to democratize Iraq. If this can be accomplished on a timely basis, a long term presence of America may be accepted, if not, who knows the end game.

what was their reaction last time?
Bagdad got nailed pretty hard.
they were for the most part, pretty understanding and accomodating.

today, there is strong speculation that the simple threat of toppling Saddam will cause it to happen from within.

some people try to characterize the situation to look as if a massive military invasion of the Soviet Cold War style is going to happen... where an unwilling country is invaded, people are slaughtered, towns are occupied and taken over and everyone will be forced to wear Levis and eat Big Macs while listening to Britney Spears and N'Sync.

thats not what anyone in the world is proposing. it is about removing 1 person as well as a few around him.

My dog typing. Oh you fucking guy you. Very, very funny. My dog typing. Oh that is a good one, fucking guy. I will be laughing even in my sleep:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Why don't we just tell it like it REALLY is??????

This straight from the Secret Service so keep it quite OK?

George W. has a fetish for IRAQI pussy!!!!!!!

really no shit !

He lusts for them in his heart. and in his loins. and other places too.

Its the Texan in him that does it.

Just like his dad.

Thanks for the inside info. Not about oil, not about WMD, but about the best reason in the world, pussy.:thumbsup

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Yes Hussein has been a vocal supporter of world peace, and globalization. He would never GAS his people.

He's so nice! :321GFY

glad i can keep you amused, king cocker spaniel. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Oooooh you fucking guy. You really, really are a very funny man. :1orglaugh See I am laughing even now. King cocker spaniel. Oh this is funny. You fucking guy, I will be even laughing all day tomorrow too.:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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Theking and Drew are both incapable of debating issues, they will start personal attacks when they are put in a position that clearly provides clues that they are incorrect.

This indicates a lack of maturity on your behalf and I am sure you get no respect from other adult individuals.

Why join a discussion when you cannot handle the heat?

Totally fucking untrue. I can defend my positions anytime I choose to take a position. Some of the things you have stated are not worth responding to in a serious way, the same with others. Your whole game is that of an America bashing asshole. There are many things I would prefer to do with you other than debate, but bring it on anytime. If I am in the mood to debate, I will, if I'm not I won't. I will fore warn you that I am ususally not in the mood to debate undeserving European, American bashing assholes. I put them in the same category as offal. When I slaughter a cow I bury the offal on the south forty to keep the stench away from my home.

the kurds are Iraq's palestinians... not really HIS people.. Im not excusing him in any way.. i just hate to see the spin being brought up again and again... If israel suddenly did something to fuck with america's interests the propaganda machine would swich to how they're oppressing and killing palestinians. It's just part of the demonisation process.. Saddam was America's buddy back in the day.. funded just like Osama.. Now the US has to spank him like they often have to do with the dictators they install that get too uppity for their own good and don't remember their place... Noriega comes to mind.

Thank you for proving my point.
Show me how I am an American bashing asshole.

You call anyone remotely not agreeing with US policy an American bashing asshole.

No further proof is required.

One sick thing about the Kurds in Iraq is that the US funded, encouraged and guaranteed support for the Kurdish uprising and when it actually happened they(US) backed down and thousands of Kurds were killed because the support promised by the US did not appear.

Way to go Whitehouse, thousands of lives lost. it's ok we can just blame it all on saddam and those bio weapons we gave him, never mind we set them up to be slaughtered.

they backed down because shitheads like you kept moaning and crying about a "peaceful solution" and would not stand for the US supporting an uprising to overthrow the government.

it was very tragic indeed.

If there is a solution where war and violence isnt used
its worth trying,
i served as a united nation soldier in the balkan war for 1.5 years
and guys i have seen alot of shit
there is no heroic deaths, there is just deaths...
and i also notice that the people that scream war highest
is almost always those who is NOT being in the frontline...
i seen children (4-5 years old) sitting for hours with the remains
of their mother in there lap and i have seen mothers walking around with just an head or an arm of their babys ...
12 year old girls thats been gangraped by 15-20 soldiers
i dont judge any sides here but its easy to talk when you
havent been involved and seen the shit at close