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I guess it is too much for this program to be honest and pay the webmaster for the effort he puts in...I am happy to see that there are still a lot of honest programs...it is better than being temporarily rich :-)

Alot of better programs that reward the webmaster with true lifetime revshare.

sure, my email/msn is: [email protected]


and thanks to dav3 and atom I'll check the cam sponsors later

about the thread, I know they already tell about 14day cookie, it's in the awempire website, but I don't understand... really I can't find any reason for use it.. only scam the webmasters traffic, this is my problem, but well.. I'll search another cam sponsor.

I lost 1 year of quality traffic sending my users to livejasmin and much money because I sent people who pay a lot, but they'll lose webmasters (i'm one) and in a large time they'll lose more money.

Thanks a lot!

moenytree, use AWE for PPS, converts about 3 million times better than the ones you'll be spammed with in this thread

if they tell you, then it's hardly a "scam" its just not good as revshare for life..

if you send 10k hits per month to AWE and make $3k per month on 14 day cookie

or
you send 10k hits to another sponsor and make $2k per month on lifetime revshare


what is better ?

The AWE cookie thing has it's good points, and of course it's bad points.

The good side to the 14day cookie, is that if you are a newer webmaster, you aren't stuck with the slim pickings of the new members to the cam sites. Let's face it, there are tons of badass webmasters that make shitloads of sales. Their cookies are only 14days, so their customers get put back in to the pool of potential profits. Were as if you were on lifetime revs, you wouldn't be able to scoop up those older cam customers. The secret (if you can call it that) with AWE is to build a site that makes the user come back and reset your cookie, not just generate click-thrus.

The bad side, off course it sucks to lose a whale of a customer. But on the flip, you could get some one else's whale next time.

I see everyone recommending using the PPS option for AWE. Honestly, it's a bad idea. The PPS uses a 30day cookie, plus the customer must have never bought credits from and AWE site before. So if a previous revshare customer signs up with your PPS link, you pretty much just screwed yourself and other webmasters also, since that signup won't count for you and essentially taken out of the pool.

50 dramas...

it is always the same with them. Bumping for the thumping.

there is 0 good from this method. None. When you pay for advertising and work hard to make a sale you should be rewarded for it. You fail to understand all someone had to do is set their cookie once the person is already signed up. Its not like the next affiliate has to get them to signup, the first affiliate did the hard work.

You damn right if the first guy did the hardest part, which is introduced them to the site and convinced them to try it, then some random person who sets a cookie 15 day from now shouldn't benefit from it. The first person to sell them should get credit for all future sales.

Also, the only person it really benefits is AWE. After 14 days the person goes back into the "pool". But during that time who makes the money.... AWE.

It's total bullshit disguised to make some people think it offers some type of benefit. When really its a way for AWE to own that person the majority of the time they are a member. How often do you think new affiliates pick these members back up once they are signed up. I am sure it happens but over the course of a year, I bet on average 2 - 3 affiliates cross get credit and the other 9 - 10 months a year AWE makes all the money.

The only people that this system should make happy is the people with a lot of traffic that can't convert. They come along after people signed up and they set their cookie. They don't sell the person, they just leach for 14 days.

This method is total shit and I am surprised anyone promotes that company. But hey, have fun at it if you do.

you are rewarded , for 14 days. after 14 days you dont contribute anything whereas the cam models still need to be paid the hosting needs to be paid etc. i think he did point out where this is good from this method . in a year 20 webmasters can be getting a cut of the same member.



i dont think very many people realise this , nor do they tout this as a reason for the 14 day cookie as far as i am aware

how often do pornsite revshare sponsors keep paying out on upsells and cross sales after the original membership has been cancelled.. :winkwink:


the simple fact is they are upfront about how they operate, personally i think the 14 day cookie is stupid and i think calling a program revshare with 14 day cookies is foolish to say the least , why not be innovative and create a pps + 14 day rev share bonus.

as far as i am concerned as long as they are upfront about how they operate and they aren't doing anything illegal/immoral all you do is add up the cash at the end of the month and compare it with the same traffic pushed elsewhere..

The residual income when you completely stop sending traffic could very well make up that difference in time. :2 cents: My main cam sponsor shows the majority of my income is from accounts that are at least a year or two old.

I really wish you would stop spouting this nonsense smokey, I've tried in the past to educate you about cams. When we got into the AWE debate a year ago you admittedly said you were new to cams and hadn't tried hardly any cam sponsors. I get the feeling by your comments now, that must still hold true.

Any affiliate that has ever sent a large amount of cam traffic to multiple revshare sponsors over an extended period of time knows right away that the AWE 14 day revshare will ultimately earn him less $/unique than any other revshare cam sponsor. I've been promoting cams and cams only for 8 years. I still get checks from Streamray(now cams.com), even though I stopped promoting them 3 years ago.

9 months ago I decided to test this out. I sent 25k uniques each to 3 different well known revshare cam sponsors with AWE being one of them. The traffic all came from the same source, a source I've been using for over 5 years. The first two sponsors pay out lifetime revshare (like every other revshare cam sponsor but AWE), and then there was AWE and its 14 day revshare. After 14 days, AWE and one of the other sponsor's earnings were very close, within $100. The third sponsor did only 50% of what the first two did. After 2 months, the second sponsor had more than doubled AWE's earnings and the third sponsor had now caught up and exceeded AWE by 10% as AWE's earnings came to a screeching halt at 14 days. After 4 months, the second sponsor was now more than 2.5 times AWE's earnings and the third sponsor was now 75% more than AWE's earnings. After 6 months most of the revshare had died, with just a few still buying. Now at the 9 month mark I'm still seeing some revshare coming in from those campaigns and the second sponsor is now over 3 times AWE's earnings.

The test results were exactly what I thought they were going to be and just confirmed that if you are going to promote revshare cams, promote a sponsor that pays out for the life of the customer. Here is my AWE assessment: They have great promo tools, as good as any other cam sponsor. They cover almost all the cam niches and have tons of models on at all times of the day and models that can convert English speaking as well as Euro traffic. However, having said that, the only possible scenario I could see recommending them is if you had a small amount of traffic for a brief period. They will convert your traffic, but only pay you for the first 14 days.

Frankly, the 14 day cookie thing has been rehashed plenty, if you think you're earning more with them then stay with them. I can just tell you from my experience and test, that anyone sending a steady amount of traffic over an extended period of time will ultimately lose money promoting AWE vs another lifetime revshare cam sponsor.

I still think AWE needs to do a better job of informing the new webmaster upon signup about the 14 day revshare. They prey upon the fact that most webmasters assume the term "revshare" means for the life of the customer particularly when its promoting cams. Its only briefly mentioned in their terms(how many webmasters actually read that) and its nowhere to be found on their main promo page or FAQ page even though they seem to cover almost every other question. Even in this thread alone there are webmasters promoting them that were unaware of the 14 day revshare even though there have been multiple threads on the subject here.

The only reason AWE noted it in their terms is because they were called out by their own affiliates in their own forum. Then their owner preceded to come on this board and tell all his affiliates they were lucky he was even bothering to pay them for the 14 days as he felt thats all his affiliates deserved.

I'd not expect LJ to change its policy anytime soon, especially since they are from Holland and based in Hungary, and the USD shrank this year. :)

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Exactly everything I just came to post.

AWE is a stellar program, and probably my top earner. And since the customer pool never really shrinks because of the 14-day cookie (except for those who got signed up via PPS), it'll probably keep being a huge moneymaker for some time.

And to those of you bitching about how if someone signed up through you originally, they should be "yours" for life - would you change your tune if it turned out that most of the customers you've been making commission off actually originally signed up via someone else? I mean, there's no way to tell. And quite frankly, if I make an amazing website and some guy who hadn't used his account at Livejasmin for a year comes to my site and decides to start spending money there again, but uses his old account, why don't I deserve a cut?

i'm not saying it doesnt i'm saying the only true way to determine this is by putting them side to side put any pps program against any revshare program and you will earn more over time , doesnt mean pps is a scam it just means its a diff method

could you point out what nonsense i spouted.. ? you mean me correcting someone who said awe denied using 14 day cookies when it actually never happened ?
and you failed because you didnt tell me anything i didnt already know :winkwink: you are letting your ego cloud your judgement
that is neither here nor their.. i know nothing about painting but i can sure tell if i like one :)
i could say the same about you if we were in grade 2 :winkwink:

fact is i am honest and explained my poisition then and now and you obviously disagree , thats fine..

i have pushed about 100k to various cam sponsors this year so if that helps soothe your mind them cool ,if not then oh well.

i have never heard that from anyone but you so far.. infact quite a few peopel have said the opposite.. go figure :)


cool . :thumbsup use them then . sounds like it does better for you , i tried them it didnt
i do hope you realise anyone who is serious in this game does the same thing , we obviously just have different results.



exactly. that was my point then and has been this time as well
and other have tested and found the opposite

theres lots of other factors to be had.. maybe you don't promote them properly :thumbsup
completely agreed then and agree now

ok, I'm sending to menytree revshare, what other cam sponsor would you recommend (revshare)? If I don't have an account I'll sign under you and give them a try

Man, try PussyCash, they convert really good.

Only 20% revshare but 100% lifetime, and 125$ on PPS.

Olso try EpicCash if you want.

Forgot to write:

If you discover anything else for webcams sponsors please let us know, this is be great info, thanks a lot!

I am not saying they are scamming people. They are upfront with what they are doing, there is nothing wrong with that. I am discussing this type of method and why I think it is shit.

You get someone to signup to livejasmine for the first time, they see your ad, you "sell" them, and they make an account. You get credit for 14 days. The member buys $500 a week in cam time, so you make your % off of him for 2 weeks. After that AWE makes the money.

1 month later that same person hits another AWE affiliates site, he doesn't click on anything he doen't signup to AWE again, he gets a "cookie" set. That affiliate didn't sell him, he was just lucky enough for an AWE affiliate who was already a member happen across his site. So now for 14 days this affiliate will make his % of that $500 a week the member spends.

The second affiliate did NOTHING to deserve to make the money. Just getting someone to your shit doesn't mean shit. You should be rewarded for selling people not for getting people to your site. There are a million ways to get people to your site. Hell the guy could have been sent there from skim tgp traffic. If the second affiliate got the members to "sign up " again with a new account then I coudln't argue with that. But from what has been explained to me, once a member is signed up, all you need to do is get your cookie on their site and you get credit for 14 days.

This rewards people who just push traffic and don't sell. And it hurts the people who are bringing the new customers to the company by only rewarding them with 14 days of income.

I don't know how anyone can argue that there is anything good with this system, except for the people who cant make sales but can push traffic.


Im starting to repeat myself so there is no point in me replying. i just don't get it and i guess i wont.

i do disagree with this statement 100000000%.


so what if it cost me $20 of advertising to get the person to signup. But the guy doesn't spend anymoney in his first 14 days. On day 15 he goes to the site and starts spending money. You saying i didn't contribute enough to collect money past 14 days. thats insaine.

i just can't help myself with this one....

so you point out a situation that happens about 1 out of 100,000 times.

How often does someone make an account to a website, never uses it, then a year later comes across the site again and remembers the orginal accont, and then starts using it again. VERY VERY RARE.

So everyone who does the hard work of getting people to signup shouldn't continue to make money off of those members because in a few rare cases someone might come back a year later and instead of making a new account, he uses his old one ? :upsidedow


I don't know how long you guys have been promoting cams, but I have successfully been doing it for 8 years, and i think there is some totally fucking whacked logic in this thread.

No, I mean your constant silly comments like "zero times zero =....bla bla bla" and "3k month to AWE on 14 day cookie versus 2k a month to lifetime revshare". All those statements are so short sighted. If you are bringing in a fresh 2k a month on lifetime revshare, the residual income will steadily increase and you'll eventually bypass AWE's non residual 3k a month.


Actually I didn't fail at all, you informed me on a few of my points you weren't aware of that info I had told you regarding cams because you were admittedly new to cams and at that time hadn't promoted them much.


Well I'm honest also and am using recent facts/testing along with years of experience promoting cams along with tens of thousands sales to multiple cam sponsors.

Not sure why that would soothe my mind. I talk to cam affiliates all the time that have been making promotional/sponsor choice mistakes for months/years and left thousands of dollars on the table by not maximizing their traffic's true earning power.



The few people I've ever seen say the opposite are those that have mainly only promoted AWE and only base their stats on short periods of time, not with any substantial traffic from the same source spread out to multiple cam sponsors over a long period.




Um, I said I stopped using them 3 years ago. Only reason I started using Streamray/Cams.com 6 years ago is because there weren't too many cam sponsors out there at that time. I wouldn't recommend them at all, they are close to the worst if not the worst cam sponsor in terms of conversions.





This is one instance where you can tinker with your promotional methods till you are blue in the face and a 14 day cam revshare will never overcome the long term earnings of lifetime cam revshare.

thats how most pps programs work kinda but people dont rip on programs for having a pps option right ?

just like pps only nobody would get the $$ except the sponsor..

you and i both know how you can argue there is good from it.. I count the cash at the end of the day and its more than with the other guys "lifetime" revshare , and i dont push cookies , i push clicks so the cookies are not forced. thats the bottom line you are forgetting..$$

if awe had a "lifetime" revshare to compare it to. , then we could say "method A works better" or "method B works better" , but all we can do is compare them with other cam sponsors who dont do things the same way, and for me awe comes out ahead.

i dont know how anyone could say making more money isn't a good argument.

thats not a silly statement 100% of zero is nothing , thats a fact , nothing silly about it
so making 2k per month after 12 months is better than 3k per month after 12 months ..
i dont follow that logic.. exactly when are the others sponsors going to pay me more.. after a year awe avg's more per month end of story.. if you are waiting 2 years before your lifetime cam sponsors takes over awe then you are playing another risk also right.. even if lets say the other cam sponsor finally takes over awe after 2 years "hypothetically" the money i have made i reinvest and make more off, so you are looking at a tiny tiny % gain after 2 years , whereas other would flip that cash and have doubled it in a year..



after a year i havent found that to be the case





like i said , good for you .. if you can afford to wait around for 3 years before you make a 10% gain thats fine . I do other things. i Can use the quicker cash re-invest and have doubled my money in 6 months.


because now we have both tested our traffic , mine does better with awe yours does better without awe..

see above, i tested , we have come to different conclusions.

You have tested longer perhaps i don't know , but i have been testing for a year , and the numbers add up to awe being the winner..

just curious by your numbers after say 3 years how much more % are you making on "the other guy "

because as i mentioned if your looking at a 3 year window and your only making %x more than the other guy i have already flipped my % multiple times..


ouch , thats not very good testing at all. lots of things change in 3 years..


that is where you are wrong.. and i can prove it ..

you promote 100% lifetime revshare of a one cam shitty network that gets no sales and i will promote the best damn cam program around and make bank :)

100% of 0 is still 0 right..

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bottom line, that is some bullshit.

i was about to promote awe until this.

It becomes silly because your implication is that the affiliate makes zero with a lifetime revshare sponsor. Why don't you tell us which of the "shitty" lifetime revshare sponsors you've tested since you imply they all are.


You don't follow it because you don't understand the residual impact of a lifetime revshare. If you continue with the same traffic that earns you 3k monthly with AWE, your earnings will remain flat. With a lifetime revshare sponsor they will steadily increase month after month after month as long as the traffic remains consistent. Thats also assuming that AWE is always going to earn more than any other sponsor in the first 14 days, which they don't.



Funny, you've said multiple times over the last year that AWE is the only cam sponsor you promote and you weren't familiar with many of the other ones. I can only assume your allegiance to them is because they used to be your sig sponsor.


Guess you didn't read my test and are just making up numbers, try 100% gain after one month.




You've admitted you haven't tried many of the lifetime revshare sponsors, so how would you know?



After a 3 year test the numbers would be astronomically different, most likely surpassing ten times earnings. Your flipping scenario assumes that AWE dramatically outperforms every other lifetime revshare sponsor within the first 2 weeks, they don't.


Guess you aren't familiar with Streamray, nothing has changed at all with them.




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30% of 100k sales is more than 30% of 10k sales, right. :)

Since you feel AWE is head and shoulders above all the lifetime revshare cam sponsors why don't you tell us what makes them convert so amazingly better than all the rest? Tell us what they are doing so differently that could possibly make up the huge gap between 14 day revshare and lifetime revshare?

I think the 14 day cookie is short-sighted.

Many more people would promote LJ and those who do would send MORE traffic if they weren't so greedy.

common sense would tell you that is not the case
where did i imply they are all "shitty"





i took that into account and i was still ahead , you have not proven otherwise yet.. simple math can prove me right.

i have used the extra money to re-invest in more traffic while you wait for a measly 10% i have doubled and tripled that extra profit
so you say . many others say differntly . i have tried them back to back and the results arent even close, awe outperforms because they have better product, you forget that part..




if you assumed that for some reason then you were wrong..


ok :1orglaugh then you are with the right sponsor




no i didnt infact i have used all the big ones..

you can't make an argument by just making shit up , if you want an opinion ask me.. dont try to put words in my mouth , its a childish way to make an argument




"most likely" is not a very good test lol

dont be an ass and keep repeating the same mantra , they don't for YOU. do you understand the difference. i dont say awe outperforms for everyone i say it outperforms for me , i say do the math and don't listen to jaded opinions. compare yourself and choose. you say dont use awe because i made more with etc etc thats just stupid business.





nothing has changed in 3 years .. thats not good.



.duh now you get it .. with awe you make 100k :thumbsup

as i mentioned and i will continue to mention , you cant make facts up by just saying them , if you asked me if awe is "head and shoulders" above the rest i would say no so your whole argument and question is useless

as far as why they convert better than most other cam sponsors, perhaps its the product :thumbsup perhaps its because they dont have a popup hell on their sites.

Here is what i think is some facts that I think no one can argue.


1. There is NO WAY anyone is going to tell me that a cam program that offers % with a 14 day window is going to out perform any cam company on a % deal that pays you on the life time of the customer. What makes company A so much better than Company B that you can make more in 14 days vs YEARS. Its all pretty much the same shit with these sites, girls on cam. Even if you told me that live jasmine's girls pussy was made of gold I still wouldn't believe you could make more in 14 days vs 1400 days.

2. The comments that were made..... it's not fair to the people who come later because all the members are locked up. Tough shit. It's the way it works on ALL other sites and ALL other type of programs. And there is a reason that EVERYONE uses this method, because it works. If you promote PPS and I sell the person first, and then he goes to your site 3 weeks later, you dont make the sale. So why should you continue to make the sale with the revshare method. No other sites offer this bullshit method for revshare or pps. At least with PPS people know that it is a one shot deal and the sales amount is a little higher. All sites off PPS and everyone knows its a one shit deal. With revshare when someone says make a % 99% of the sites offer it for life. But AWE does something totally different and it produces more income in 14 days vs 1400. :upsidedow

3. To the comments that... well if the person signs up, doesnt spend money and then finds my site 1 year from now and logs into his old account that isn't fair. Simply put, that doesn't happen. This is retarded thinking and is not what happens. If I get someone to signup to livejasmine THEY KEEP GOING BACK TO LIVE JASMINE FROM THAT POINT ON. If they happen across your site and see you advertising live jasmine so fucking what. They see LiveJasmine and they know they already have an account there. They not going to say, hey thats the site i signed up to 6 months ago, and i never used it but now that I see a link to it on this guys site let me go dig up that old account and log back it. If they signed up an account they never used but come across you site months later and you legitametly sell them, they will make a new accout 9 out of 10 times.

4. As I explained a million times the only affiliates that can benefits from this are the ones with shitty traffic. I make the sale, i get the person to signup and spend money. I lose him after 14 days, an affiliate with massive amounts of traffic just blankets the net with his cookie and if anyone with a live jasmine account already, happens on his site that affiliate will start making money off the member for the next 14 days. Thats not marketing, thats not sales, that is laying landminds and leaching off of other people's hard work. That is people who can't make sales of their own just trying to set as many cookies as they can and hoping that some whales happen across their site one way or the other. Be it skimmed traffic, 404 pages, bulk shit traffic or however. ANYONE with good traffic that generates their own sales WILL 100% of the time make A LOT more money over the lifetime of the customer with ANY other cam company vs 14 days with Live Jasmine. Its a damn cam site, they are all the same for the most part.


no cam site will generate in 14 days more income than other cam sites unless the person sending the traffic can't make sales on their own. If they can't make the initial sale then yes I believe it. Because with AWE you don't need t make sales you just need to set cookies.

well as long as ppl will make more money with awe than with other sponsors they'll push them

nobody forces yo to send traffic

thats where i think you are wrong.. your assuming both sponsors perform the same.

if i make 10 sales a day from sponsor A and you make 1 with sponsor B how can you say you outperform.. . perhaps u get a higher avg of member but i get way more. at the end of the year , decade, century u name it :)

bottom line is ignor the cookies , they dont matter what matters is what you bring in , granted not many revshare will outperform a pps in the short term , if they arent cutting it after a year its obvious who to pick right..

the simple fact is most people are stuck on their personal feelings and forget about the bottom line.



it isn't at all

go to www.livejasmin.com then go to www.cams.com look and tell me what the big difference is.

go take a look at some of these other cam sites , many have very few quality girls , glitchy backend and competing popups.



there aren't that many "unique" cam sites and it certainly doesnt work that way on all other types of sites.. many many sites use short term cookie tracking

seems to be working rather well for awe and those that use them , they are one of the biggest cam networks out there.


actually with many sites i would get the sale..
dont take my word for it . test it for yourself. it shouldnt even take 1400 days , by your reasoning you will already be making more on the 15th day with the other guy :thumbsup




lol so basically what you are saying is everyone at awe including myself must have shitty traffic or not realise they would be making more after 15 days with any other cam sponsor . sorry but that is a childish attempt at a jab.. argue your point don't insult me by insulting my traffic because you want to get your point across.


what it boils down to is i am telling people

DO NOT TRUST ME , DO NOT TRUST AWE , TRUST YOURSELF , TEST THEM HEAD TO HEAD AND SEE.

what you are telling people is . : it can't be better because of such and such and this and that . even after me explaining lots of ways it can.

i'm certainly not here to argue 14 day revshare is better than lifetime revshare , but you seem to want to argue that there is "no way" 14 day revshare can be better than lifetime revshare even when its obvious it can be..






i tested it myself

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