Well why didn't you say that earlier, sure appears to me and everyone else thats what you are here arguing. I think its great that you do well with AWE, keep it up, I really wasn't here trying to get you to leave them. I just took exception with your assertions that over a long period of time it was possible for AWE's 14 day revshare to outperform all other lifetime cam revshare sponsors. My point was that all you had to do was find one lifetime one that performed for you and you'd realize over time a significant increase in income over a 14 day revshare because of the residual impact of keeping a customer for life.

Lets explore the specifics of the product and at least try and make this a somewhat productive discussion. In your opinion, after trying several other cam sponsors, what about AWE's product do you feel makes it perform so much better? Is it the quality of girls, number of girls, niches, layout, private upsell techniques, processing, pricing, affiliate promo tools, video quality etc...?

Nice to see a couple of real webmasters stepping in, good discussion.

Now completely off topic - Will76, don't take it in any offensive way and excuse my curiousness..

How much time do you spend with boarding in average / day?

I can see you all over the place and we have met on the other two boards that I visit time from time.
From my own experience I know boarding is very time demanding, and I am doing it usually only in the late night with a beer when all is quiet or over the weekend, just curious..

Thanks, added you to my MSN contact list!

This is a real question, so please take it as such.

Does AWE offer the same cookie for PPS? I mean, the rationalization for new webmasters should apply to both.

To me, this is kinda like a publisher telling a song writer...

"We'll pay you royalties for a couple weeks, then after that, we keep your share."

The writer looks for another publisher...


Same option applies here...

Rev - 14 days (new or returning customers)
PPS - 30 days (new customers only)

To receive credit for PPS, the customer must have never bought credits with one of the AWE sites previously.

im just surprised other cam people that make so much money for others don't re-invest into the tool set that AWE has ..... although I'm trying mTree right now, AWE is still my #1 cams.

To Will:
Test it. I'm not going to say you're right or wrong, but I would suggest testing and I trust you'd do it honestly. I won't argue with any facts you come up with, one way or another.

But here you spend countless hours going on and on and on rehashing the same argument. And yes, many of your points are valid. But you seem to always assume that YOU know what is best. You are arguing with someone (Smokey) who clearly has tested the site and further, you make many assumptions about AWE's traffic and webmasters clearly without trying yourself.

(In re: How you seem to know better than everyone: Your point in another thread about anyone who experiences slow days (e.g. holidays) or seasonal dropoffs is just make excuses is so completely absurd it's hard to know where to start. Because YOU never experienced it then it's *impossible* days/seasons can be slow for anyone else, no matter what niche, market, etc.? Come on...)

For everyone else:
Yes, AWE does things much different. Different must be bad. Different is uncomfortable for many of you. It's understandably difficult when you are still doing the same things with the same people the last 5-10 years. Change is not easy. That's why you still use ICQ :)

But numbers don't lie. Over the past few years it's clear they have greatly increased the number of webmasters who promote them. Are they all stupid? Are they all not making any money? And/or are they all taking advantage of the cookie system and sending garbage traffic?

Regardless of the rather ignorant opinion that it doesn't reward good webmasters vs. ones that send junk traffic, they are doing very well. Their webmasters are doing very well. Those that aren't probably have left. Those that think it's unfair, probably have left too. So what else is worth arguing about, really?

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boarding ? posting on GFY, go look at my average post per day if you dont want to do the math. Some days i dont even come to this site. what does it matter ?

i ususally stop posting in a thread after i repeat my self 3 or 4 times. In this case I guess everyone that doesn't use live jasmine is just stupid, because obviously their product must be 10x better than all other cam sites because you can make more money from a member in 14 days with them then you can from a member on any other cam site for 1400 days. :warning:helpme

you can think this is arrogant, or stupid, or hard headed or whatever. But i am not going to waste 1 click of my traffic to send to AWE. I do low volume good quality traffic. I get the people who signup, and spend money. Why would i piss that away for just 14 days.

The only "test" i would do would be to go buy a million hits $1 / 1000 and send that to them, i'll just hope some whales happen across my site and i will set the cookie on page load. I will "use" live jasmine the way they set it up, to reward the people who push bulk traffic and not qulity traffic. I would never send them quality traffic. I'll snag a person who is already signed up and milk them for 14 days. The people i get to signup now, i want to keep, thats a little harder work and 100% sure it pays off more in the long run.

Smokey or anyone else who uses AWE, how much does the average person spend over 14 days. If you claim you make more in 14 days than other sites do in years from a member, then the average AWE member must drop $300 - $500 EVERY 14 days. And AWE must have more members than all other sites, because it doesn't make sense any other way.

lol not really . this is like saying , " a newspaper ad brought a customer to mcdonalds and your saying now mcdonalds should pay the newspaper a % for life "

if they said "we will pay you a % for LIFE" then they should , if they said " we will will pay you for 14 days revshare , if they buy from your ad again we will pay you for another 14 days and so on ) then they should.

besides your example is a silly premise as you didnt write anything , you arent the song writer, your just a guy hawking cd's on the corner :)

actually a better example is the guys who hustle people into the bars in mexico.. :)

they certainly dont get a % for life , just for the night.. if they come back they have another chance.

because then you might know why awe is one of the top if not THE top cam sponsor around :) :thumbsup



so by your reasoning everyone who uses awe has shitty traffic and is milking the bigger affiliates who even though they are the biggest cam affiliates they are stupider than all the little guys . LOL cmon man use common sense and don't be so damn arrogant ,foolish and insulting. i use clicked se traffic so i dont know where your traffic comes from that makes it so golden , im assuming you are forcing people at gunpoint or something :winkwink: , but its clear you are not even willing to test so it's no use arguing with you , you have already stated the only way you would test is if you throw the results by using different methods.. i didnt do that when i tested other sponsors , i used the same methods for ALL the sponsors so as to make a FAIR test.




you can find me on the top50 list at awe that shows these numbers ( in that category ) :thumbsup

i did i just think people get swayed by their opinion and forget the point. the first thing i spoke to with a rep when i went with awe is " what the fuck is up with a 14 day cookie on a revshare" , but you know what ,the proof is in the pudding. would i like to try a lifetime revshare with awe , hell ya.. if another sponsor comes along and sells even close to as good as awe and has lifetime revshare , hell ya

i guess that all depends on what you mean by "long time" , you keep mentioning vague terms like : "long time" , i mentioned a hard date . 1 year
it certainly is possible ( uh oh fight back on heh )
point out the cam sponsor , i am curious , i tried all the big ones for over a year back to back ( p.s. only post sponsors with cam sites with 500+ online cams and no cross sales, members upsells, or popups )

It is all bad points.

So, once a customer signs up under PPS they are AWE's forever. A new webmaster has no shot at making any money from this surfer. Yet the same doesn't apply to Revenue Sharing. It would seem to me, if the concern was spreading the wealth, they would make the PPS for new and returning customers too.

I suspect that it is set up so a customer under rev share can sit for months earning commission-free revenue. Pretty smart I guess and if the market is ok with that then so be it. I personally don't like those rules and won't play that game. Not that they miss my shitty little traffic anyway.

Smokey does Live Jasmine tell you if new people sign up through you or just when you get a sale?

OK... Let's get started on the bs known as AWE.

This "program" can't count shit - forgetting cookies or 14 day crap.

As a test, traffic was thrown at this program over a period of a few months. All traffic was monitored going to their sites and both raw and uniques are known.

Forgetting raw, on uniques they failed to count/record an average of 50% of visits flowing to them. But... and don't feel like even checking - it's far worse than 50% since this audit was only done on one of our networks - so, in fact it's most probable 20% or less uniques were recorded by AWE. (And that is definately giving AWE lots of leeway)

Now... don't care if uniques are measured if they only visit the AWE webmaster forum or whatever phoney reasons - this is utter crap for which there is NO excuse.

All other sponsor traffic is fine going thru the same monitoring system and many surprisingly accurate, but it's easy to spot bullshit sponsors and AWE sure is on that list.

So... be wary :thumbsup

adult webmastery fact 101: those that can do - those that can't send an icq to juicy asking him if they can bump the thread.

thats just silly .. i sent 1000 hits to realitycash and they only counted 100 hits, thus they must be scammers..

or they count second page uniques..

"forgetting raw" is a big mistake as with awe i'm sure unique means they dont already have an awe cookie set. i.e. they are not unqiue to awe only to you thus it shows up as raw hit not unique.

i took me time to realise that, they convert better than anyother cam site, but as soon as period ends you get no credit for other sales. And now they are into something with their per sign up program i send over 5 000 uniques to them with 0 conversion as oppose of sending 1 000 uniques to the percentage program and converting over 300$ .

Guess I'll be taking down my Live Jasmin Links :(