Thanks for answering that.. all spookycash links are coming down

What troubles you about Epoch and CCBill as a billing solution? They are kind of the industry standards.

I sort of thought that you were not promoting SpookyCash. Were you? Feel free to hit me up at 337070007 if you'd like.

with some of these guy's traffic, its hard to tell when they are or are not

Nothing at all wrong with it, except payments coming from Epoch.

If the Epoch sale is declined & it cascades down to CCBill and gets approved, then how would I get paid from Epoch?

Sorry, but that right there is what confused me. All the other programs using cascading billing with MPA/Nats whatever issue payment from inhouse

They're going to MPA3/NATS so they can afford to pay you whiners the $50+ PPS you so crave. You don't want more money? Fine, stick to the CCBilll hosted mode. 1998 is calling you back.

Great news, I spoke to Doug at the Amsterdam show about some other things in the pipeline. Any news would be good. Tell him ti ICQ me please.

Odds are that someone from Epoch or Mansion could explain the technical aspect of this better than I could, but I'll take a stab at it. I can't speak for all programs, but I can tell you what SpookyCash is doing.

We set up a subaccount in CCBill and each corresponding product code in Epoch, for each of the sites in SpookyCash, such that each subaccount in CCBill posts back join data to the associated Epoch product code. This means that CCBill will continue paying affiliates for CCBill rebills under the old SpookyCash system, but Epoch will pay affiliates for new Epoch joins and rebills and new CCBill joins and rebills on the new system. This means that, if CCBill were not to pay me for a join you sent, Epoch would send you your share regardless. This doesn't trouble me because SpookyCash has always paid affiliates, regardless of what billers did in the past.

Epoch is using the same tried and trusted MPA3 technology to track your CCBill secondary processor joins that a program using MPA3 directly would use. So Epoch knows what to pay affiliates and then the SpookyCash program just has to collect from secondary billers, whether they are CCBill or Netbilling or Jettis etc. I might prefer to eventually bring the whole thing in-house, but, for now, it works exactly like any MPA3 program, except that Epoch cuts the checks or sends the wires or, starting in January, makes the card payments. Make sense?

I should probably add that SpookyCash is set up so that all CCBill IDs and Epoch IDs are mapped to one another -- even in SpookyCash's more complex tools like the RSS feed, hosted blog, or hosted TGP -- so that the old links continue to work and track joins in the Epoch system if you never change a single one.

Gotcha. thanks for clearing that up for me.. cool that the old rebills stay in ccbill since some of them have been retaining for over a year and several of them always rebill

sounds like u need a stats remote to check your stats

51 ccbillers...

Oh come on, that wasnt a good point, it was a luke warm point. Visa doesnt amount to 99% of transactions, so his point applies to Visa, not the full spectrum of payment options.

I've used CCBill for years and years but I can't see the problem with signing up for a program such as ours that use MPA3 with Epoch. It's the same concept as CCBill, if you signup to other Epoch programs your stats are all in the one place and you get 1 big check at the end of the day.

Maybe it's just the alt niches that head for Epoch lol

leave my point alone

visa + mastercard is almost 90% of porn transactions, visa doing the bulk of them, at least in the US. in fact, mastercard has announced that they are adopting a very similar system to what visa did because it has worked so well. they make programs, and somebody in particular, accountable for their content and chargebacks. put somebodies ass on the line. you fuck up, they are going to blacklist you across everywhere. scares the hell out of everyone.

but i said visa because visa is the 800 lb gorilla in the room, the bellwether. mastercard is in the same boat

Just because you don't understand how something works doesn't mean that it doesn't work. ;-)

AmeliaG - you did a great job of explaining this and we are very happy to be working with you.

We've been meticulous in our efforts to design a system that addresses the needs of both program operators and their affiliates. To be perfectly clear, when any sponsor uses the EpochStats program their affiliates do not have to change any of their links. They will continue to work as always. It wouldn't make much sense otherwise.

Affiliates (at the option of the sponsor) may be paid directly by Epoch for all sales regardless of where they were processed. This is a big advantage for many affiliates, especially those in the EU.

The thread-starter mentioned the issue of trust but I don't think he was referring to Epoch or CCBill. They are both proven entities in this space.

Cascading is a great idea if done correctly and with trusted providers.

Double post.

GFY hiccup.

Yep, I was referring to the program owners doing their own payouts, either themselves or via check writing companies.