Good guy, but he stands no chance.

That is a terrible thought process to live by. In fact, I urge people to never say that because as sure as notoldschool will come running to RP's defense, once you say it, something will come along to show you that yes, things can get worse. :2 cents:

Well, he does seem to want to dismantle every department of the government, so he would have to be prepared to do a lot of that on his own.

Quoted for truth.

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IDIOT.

psst . . . he is Canadian. Carry on.

With all due respect, you can not even begin to compare Canada (33 million people) to the US (300 million people). The State of California has more people than your country.

I thought it was interesting while doing my research I discovered that in July 2007 Canada had close to 34 million, but now they have a little over 33 million. Why is that?

Did I hear Ron Pauls Name?

Ya, I know. But as much as I hate paying taxes, getting rid of income tax 100% today is surely not feasible.

So now you are inferring that I am uneducated because I think it would be a financial disaster if they stopped collecting income taxes? Get real. The situation is a lot different than it was pre WW2.

It sure is. We are who lot less fiscally conservative. We waste all our tax money on wars that we will never win. If we saved just a fraction of what we have spent on the our foreign policy we could wipe out poverty in this country. I have seen first hand the waste of money in these so called wars.
BTW we have not declared a war since ww2 yet our tax payers are raped for their money without having a say. Doesnt sound like democracy or freedom to me. hell our own soldiers who are serving this so called war dont even get to vote on their next president. What a joke.

Wait a minute . . . on page one weren't you talking about welfare being a waste of money? How do you plan on wiping out poverty with no welfare?

welfare invites people to be poor. If there is free money it WILL be taken. if the economy is strong there will be far less people with a hand out. We reward laziness and child bearing in this country because it easily secures peoples income without having to work for it.

BTW thanks for informing us that you believe that welfare is the only way to reduce poverty. mmmmmmmm

So, how would you wipe out poverty? Or, how would RP?

It sure will be! By Ron Paul :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/all...tx.14.paul.pdf

Maybe instead of sending trillions of dollars to iraq and saudi we start investing in our own country and people. Do you really think it benefits you for us to be spread all over the world in the name of democracy? While serving as the ncoic of the division level S1, i have seen millions of dollars go to waste while our soldiers had defective weapons, vehicles that I wouldnt feel confident driving down the block in, and ordered parts that were worthless. They scare you by making you think you are not supporting the troops by giving them the money when in actually you are NOT supporting the troops by letting them die in vain. Poverty is created not born into.

Dude, you are an idiot. that shit proves nada. Every state official has to get money back from the goverment and back into their constiuants hands or they are NOT doing their job.

Lets hear about what the other candidates are doing with your money. Simple man.

Actually, poverty is quite often "born into."

However, getting back on topic, if there is no income tax there are no trillions going to Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Of course, there are no trillions to be spent here either.

Right?

Does everyone realise that the money we spend in just one year in Iraq we could have rebuilt every public school in the United States?

That's just one years worth of fighting. and that doesn't include any of the collateral expenses down the road. ie: widows benefits, medical expenses for wounded troops, psychological expenses, etc etc...

There are tons of ways for us to generate money without Income Tax for stuff US citizens need. Hell, we all get hit with impact fees and shit every day. Toll roads, etc etc, whatever....

The problem is we piss away so much money (especially overseas) it makes me SICK!

I'm tired of it. That's part my fucking money too!

The spending has to STOP!

I want change and I believe Ron Paul is capable of starting the task.

End of story.

What other candidate is even remotely in the same mindset?

no that is not right, and we don't need trillions here to be pissed away on bullshit either

Where are we getting trillions if we are not taxing?

noone will awnser that question. They just like to argue. Not one of these guys coming down on a only real choice for candidate has the balls to mention another cadidate doing better because there are none. They would rather live blindly like they did on 00 and 04 so they can bitch when there is no welfare in a police state.

People need to start paying for their own shit. Fuck all this wellfare shit being sucked out of all the hard working citizens paychecks.

If you wanna spit out babies left and right you better have a fucking job to pay for them otherwise they should be taken away from you and given to someone that can care for them.

Fuck the free ride. Those days are coming to an end.

Nice sig.:1orglaugh

dude:

impact fees, tariffs, tolls, etc etc.

Remember that we didn't always didn't have an "Income Tax".

If I had my choice I would take my chances right now on dropping out and quit paying into the Social Security and Wellfare system.

I can take care of myself. That's the way it should be.

Excuse my ignorance, but impact fees are typically assigned for new construction, correct? As in environmental impact. Wouldn't that have a fairly significant impact on growth if they started having to pay the feds every time they wanted to build a house?

As far as the other means (tariffs, tolls, etc), what do you estimate the price of a gallon of milk would go to? Stamps? Gasoline?

Would Walmart become the next Nordstrom's?

Not to mention, do you know how much money is spent on tax attorneys and accountants to keep up with the IRS bullshit?

It's fucking mind boggling.

If anything, go to a flat tax on what you buy and use and eliminate all that fucking IRS bullshit.

1. Dr. Paul is completely for internet neutrality.



Ron Paul is ranked as the member of Congress with the most
Internet-friendly voting record by C-NET. He is cosponsor of HR 743,
which provides for a permanent moratorium on Internet taxes. He is
the leading Republican opponent of laws banning Internet Gambling and
leading supporter of HR 2046, legislation restoring the American
people’s right to gamble online. He also opposes giving government
power to monitor our Internet use absent meeting the Constitutional
requirements of probable cause.

I have been a proponent of a 10% flat tax for 30+ years. Nominate me, I am porn friendly.

Ok, I will excuse your ignorance.

How do you think some roads are built and paid for now?
Hint= gasoline tax.
So there is a perfect example how it could work for other public things.

Or like how the public school system gets a cut of your property taxes,
the list goes on and on.

Drastic changes require drastic measures.

Be careful, AlienQ invented that. him or RogerV, I can't remember.

when you raise the gasoline tax so that you also pay $7 or $8 per gallon like us you will have a lot of money to spend ;)

what you dont understand is that if we are not funding a money pit of a foreign policy we will not need to raise gas to that level. The reason you pay that price is so your children get better health care and schooling, which you have both.

No but I saw the lamest attempt in the world to do so.

LOL so hes a bad congressman because he tried to get his district some of the tax dollars that they paid the government to go back into his district? Wow, huge scandle :disgust

Ironically, I was watching thinking 'Could stupid people really be tricked this easily?' according to this thread, yes. :1orglaugh

while i think the income tax thing is VERY revolutionary and i don't see much chances that this ever comes true, i do not generally disagree with RPs ideas (or at least some of them).

i just think that for someone who wants to become president of the USA he was very poorly prepared and presented himself in a bad way. a future president should be able to precisely answer all questions about his program and the general state of the country and general foreign politics. and thats not rocket science, it's something that is expected from all leaders of all countries all around the world.

i just think that was somehow forgotten over the fact that since 8 years you have a president that just needs to decide between the red and the yellow button after others have done the thinking for him

I was wrong about the RP quote, he didn't know numbers when Tim asked him. I don't think that is important though. Your nit picking. If he said- the income tax produced $966,900,000,000 in fiscal 2006 would that be better? Wouldnt change my opinion. And like he stated- he can't instantly remove all income tax, he just wants to phase it out as fast as he can.

Wack job? Crazy? INSANE? Lets look at the numbers.


In 2007, the US recieved $966,900,000,000 from individual federal income tax. It also recieved this (i stole this from wikipedia)-

# $818.8 billion (37.6%) - Social Security and other payroll taxes
# $220.3 billion (10.1%) - Corporate income tax
# $75.6 billion (3.5%) - Excise taxes
# $26.1 billion (1.2%) - Estate and gift taxes
# $28.3 billion (1.3%) - Customs duties
# $41.6 billion (1.9%) - Other

We spent 2.8 trillion, so we packed on around 500-600 bil onto the national debt.

So as you can see- the non federal income tax was around 45% of the budget. Total NON income tax money for the fed is about 1.2 trillion dollars. That is a shit ton of money, son! And that is with no new taxes. That is just using things already in place.

OK then for expenditures- if you look here http://www.usaspending.gov/ you can see that in 2000 we spent 1.8 trillion on everything.

So if we had a government about the size of what we did in 2000, AND we borrowed about the same amount, we would be in the ballpark.

So there it is. A government without a federal income tax!

LOL. Put his past service up against ALL the other candidates and we will see who is left standing. Its funny that you would have the gull to call him ignorant to what hes been fighting for since before Reagan was in office.

Well a few weeks ago I thought he said he'd get rid of the FBI and CIA as well, or at least drastically reduce them.

I think it's a huge deal. He very clearly doesn't practice what he preaches in that regard. It's ok for him to take money he earmarks while voting against everyone else's earmarks? If that's not painfully obvious hypocrisy I don't know what is.

No, congress is given a budget every year and every year they SPEND ALL OF IT.

So, his goal is to CHANGE THE BUDGET. Not to make sure his district gets ignored as they're splitting up the pieces of the pie, thats just insane.

Are you that desperate for something to attack Ron Paul about? Or are you just a clueless dumbfuck?

BOTH. What do I win?

Oh is that why he voted to against establishing it? Oh that's right.. he's for "leaving it up to the markets" Well guess who wants to get rid of the whole notion of net neutrality? the fucking ISPs in the market place you fucking idiot!

So that leaves this "terrible government" you want to dismantle so badly as the only fucking thing standing in the way of getting rid of the notion of net neutrality.

Who do you think the goverment is made up of.



















Tool.

So it's ok for him to vote against the earmarks of others while taking them himself then is what you're saying?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Nice rebuttal. Run along sheep. there's grazing in the glorious fields of Ron Paul's bullshit for you to do.

Its a pretty simple concept, you have to function within the system while at the same time trying to change it.

In other words, you gotta play by the rules - but you don't have to like them.

Is it another scandle that "Ron Paul wants to abolish the income tax, but he still pays his taxes!!" ???

Of corse not. Once again, hes a congressman that doesnt have the power to change the system alone, so he MUST function within it until he can.

Please inform the stupid folk who you think better represents our people.

If all you can do is throw out insults and not have a better choice to speak of then STFU.

Ronald Reagan, U.S. President

?Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.?

It's actually a good idea, IMO

http://www.fairtax.org

So, gasoline should go for say $20/gal ?

hmmm, yet RP disassociated himself from Reagan. Called him a failure.

If we abolished the Federal Reserve we could easily do away with the federal income tax. The income tax is just the collateral put up to ensure that the owners of the privately held, for-profit Federal Reserve are paid the interest we got roped into paying when the Federal Reserve Act was whisked through congress in 1913.
It's illegal and unconstitutional.