He thinks we should explore the ideas of getting rid of the IRS etc. Not just do it. Hes an interesting man. I am afraid he will scare the average sheep as sheep do not like change but it is refreshing to hear some different ideas.

As far as the interview he certainly wasn't at his best but I don't think it was that bad. Any sort of press is good for him right now.

Look a couple posts back, I believe I stated I have no idea who I would vote for. If I had a candidate I would personally vote for I would have made that statement, however in my first post I stated that I had no idea who I was voting for at this point.

Secondly even if I did, I don't think I owe you or anyone else an answer as to who my candidate would be if I did have one. This thread was about Ron Paul specifically. I don't think having answers for the platform you are running on is a small issue. If I was to say "I can cure world hunger" i would think people would expect me to be knowledgeable and have answers as to how I would do it. Just as if Ron Paul says I would bring all the troops home, you would think he would know how many troops are distributed around the world and have a better idea of how he would handle that withdrawal.

I believe he stated many times that he would take some of the huge amount of wasted money on foreign policy thats wastefull and not working anyways. Bring the money back to our country instead of supplying the saudies and there would be more than enough to eliminate these federal functions that only take and DO NOT GIVE. Sorry I too was a veteran and have been deployed multiple times with NATO and if you beleive that our guys are getting any of the money the other guys are saying goes there you are not living in the real world and I would have to doubt that you really served.

In Canada, the income tax law was passed as a temporary war effort ( that is WW2 , not the Gulf war ...:1orglaugh:1orglaugh ).

Before that, the gov was running on the funds that it was getting from various other sources ...

... and deficit didn't exist .

It had nothing to do with his public speaking abilities. He has been in Congress how long? 18 years? If he can't speak in public by now, he never will.

The problem is the things he says he wants to do. He can't back up how he would do them. Of course, he isn't as smart as the paultards on GFY.

Maybe from a Canadian POV. But think about it, if the US did everything he suggests with the military and foreign policy, you guys would actually have to get your own military budget.



I would like to congratulate you on your meteoric rise to the top as far as most irritating, uninformed poster on GFY. I have a feeling 2008 is going to be your year.

Just the facts ma'am.

He started throwing out the "trillion" number as a response to everything because he had no clue. You are aware of course that 100's of billions is only a small fraction of a trillion, right? And with no income tax . . . well . . .

By the way, you did hear him mention use fees for the highways, right? Can you imagine LA with toll roads? How many major cities have you driven in that had toll roads? How many toll roads have you been on that weren't meant as a shortcut?

Let me tell you, they suck, and for the most part, the toll roads I have been on in other states totally suck. I can't believe they are charging me to drive on them.

Then of course, there are the toll roads that are actually owned by other countries. Those are a real piece of work. :2 cents:

ummm, it is part of RP's platform, he should be able to rattle off those numbers in his sleep.

Its obvious who the uneducated are.
The same people who think welfare and food stamps are necessary. Noone to blame but themselves.

Oh I completely agree the vets are underpaid and under-geared. When I was in, (91-95) as a 91B (Combat Medic). I was working up to 96 hours a week. It worked out to be like $1-2 an hour or some crazy shit like that. I value our troops greatly and appreciate them for everything that they do. But once again this thread was not about, you, me or any of the other candidates. This thread was about Ron Paul. The fact is he could have done a lot better job during an interview with Tim Russert on Meet the Press. As a presidential candidate they should always be prepared to answer the tough questions (that goes with any candidate) that pertain to their platform.

Ron Paul is for getting the government out of your lives, except when it comes to Jesus. He wants government to force Jesus down everyone's throat.

Yeah that's right. Ron Paul is one of the biggest fundies in the running.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

orly?
:1orglaugh

http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

correction of typo: ww1

What makes this thread funny is that you have had that in the WH as president:

http://www.portifex.com/DailyBlague/.../BushChimp.JPG

Good guy, but he stands no chance.

That is a terrible thought process to live by. In fact, I urge people to never say that because as sure as notoldschool will come running to RP's defense, once you say it, something will come along to show you that yes, things can get worse. :2 cents:

Well, he does seem to want to dismantle every department of the government, so he would have to be prepared to do a lot of that on his own.

Quoted for truth.

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IDIOT.

psst . . . he is Canadian. Carry on.

With all due respect, you can not even begin to compare Canada (33 million people) to the US (300 million people). The State of California has more people than your country.

I thought it was interesting while doing my research I discovered that in July 2007 Canada had close to 34 million, but now they have a little over 33 million. Why is that?

Did I hear Ron Pauls Name?

Ya, I know. But as much as I hate paying taxes, getting rid of income tax 100% today is surely not feasible.

So now you are inferring that I am uneducated because I think it would be a financial disaster if they stopped collecting income taxes? Get real. The situation is a lot different than it was pre WW2.

It sure is. We are who lot less fiscally conservative. We waste all our tax money on wars that we will never win. If we saved just a fraction of what we have spent on the our foreign policy we could wipe out poverty in this country. I have seen first hand the waste of money in these so called wars.
BTW we have not declared a war since ww2 yet our tax payers are raped for their money without having a say. Doesnt sound like democracy or freedom to me. hell our own soldiers who are serving this so called war dont even get to vote on their next president. What a joke.

Wait a minute . . . on page one weren't you talking about welfare being a waste of money? How do you plan on wiping out poverty with no welfare?

welfare invites people to be poor. If there is free money it WILL be taken. if the economy is strong there will be far less people with a hand out. We reward laziness and child bearing in this country because it easily secures peoples income without having to work for it.

BTW thanks for informing us that you believe that welfare is the only way to reduce poverty. mmmmmmmm

So, how would you wipe out poverty? Or, how would RP?

It sure will be! By Ron Paul :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/all...tx.14.paul.pdf

Maybe instead of sending trillions of dollars to iraq and saudi we start investing in our own country and people. Do you really think it benefits you for us to be spread all over the world in the name of democracy? While serving as the ncoic of the division level S1, i have seen millions of dollars go to waste while our soldiers had defective weapons, vehicles that I wouldnt feel confident driving down the block in, and ordered parts that were worthless. They scare you by making you think you are not supporting the troops by giving them the money when in actually you are NOT supporting the troops by letting them die in vain. Poverty is created not born into.

Dude, you are an idiot. that shit proves nada. Every state official has to get money back from the goverment and back into their constiuants hands or they are NOT doing their job.

Lets hear about what the other candidates are doing with your money. Simple man.

Actually, poverty is quite often "born into."

However, getting back on topic, if there is no income tax there are no trillions going to Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Of course, there are no trillions to be spent here either.

Right?

Does everyone realise that the money we spend in just one year in Iraq we could have rebuilt every public school in the United States?

That's just one years worth of fighting. and that doesn't include any of the collateral expenses down the road. ie: widows benefits, medical expenses for wounded troops, psychological expenses, etc etc...

There are tons of ways for us to generate money without Income Tax for stuff US citizens need. Hell, we all get hit with impact fees and shit every day. Toll roads, etc etc, whatever....

The problem is we piss away so much money (especially overseas) it makes me SICK!

I'm tired of it. That's part my fucking money too!

The spending has to STOP!

I want change and I believe Ron Paul is capable of starting the task.

End of story.

What other candidate is even remotely in the same mindset?

no that is not right, and we don't need trillions here to be pissed away on bullshit either

Where are we getting trillions if we are not taxing?

noone will awnser that question. They just like to argue. Not one of these guys coming down on a only real choice for candidate has the balls to mention another cadidate doing better because there are none. They would rather live blindly like they did on 00 and 04 so they can bitch when there is no welfare in a police state.

People need to start paying for their own shit. Fuck all this wellfare shit being sucked out of all the hard working citizens paychecks.

If you wanna spit out babies left and right you better have a fucking job to pay for them otherwise they should be taken away from you and given to someone that can care for them.

Fuck the free ride. Those days are coming to an end.

Nice sig.:1orglaugh

dude:

impact fees, tariffs, tolls, etc etc.

Remember that we didn't always didn't have an "Income Tax".

If I had my choice I would take my chances right now on dropping out and quit paying into the Social Security and Wellfare system.

I can take care of myself. That's the way it should be.

Excuse my ignorance, but impact fees are typically assigned for new construction, correct? As in environmental impact. Wouldn't that have a fairly significant impact on growth if they started having to pay the feds every time they wanted to build a house?

As far as the other means (tariffs, tolls, etc), what do you estimate the price of a gallon of milk would go to? Stamps? Gasoline?

Would Walmart become the next Nordstrom's?

Not to mention, do you know how much money is spent on tax attorneys and accountants to keep up with the IRS bullshit?

It's fucking mind boggling.

If anything, go to a flat tax on what you buy and use and eliminate all that fucking IRS bullshit.

1. Dr. Paul is completely for internet neutrality.



Ron Paul is ranked as the member of Congress with the most
Internet-friendly voting record by C-NET. He is cosponsor of HR 743,
which provides for a permanent moratorium on Internet taxes. He is
the leading Republican opponent of laws banning Internet Gambling and
leading supporter of HR 2046, legislation restoring the American
people’s right to gamble online. He also opposes giving government
power to monitor our Internet use absent meeting the Constitutional
requirements of probable cause.

I have been a proponent of a 10% flat tax for 30+ years. Nominate me, I am porn friendly.

Ok, I will excuse your ignorance.

How do you think some roads are built and paid for now?
Hint= gasoline tax.
So there is a perfect example how it could work for other public things.

Or like how the public school system gets a cut of your property taxes,
the list goes on and on.

Drastic changes require drastic measures.

Be careful, AlienQ invented that. him or RogerV, I can't remember.

when you raise the gasoline tax so that you also pay $7 or $8 per gallon like us you will have a lot of money to spend ;)

what you dont understand is that if we are not funding a money pit of a foreign policy we will not need to raise gas to that level. The reason you pay that price is so your children get better health care and schooling, which you have both.