You are as much of an idiot as he is.

Hehe, yeah I guess most govt jobs are a cake walk and we do have a few to many gov agency's that really do nothing.

I like what he says, but maybe I should give a view point. I don't think our Gov idea is correct in theory. Even at it's most simple structure is still has massive flaws which has forced the fed to step in.

So.. I don't think his ideas will acually correct our problems because it will just be opening doors for other problems, and repeat issues, and tons of legal fights..

Anyway, on the flip side I know other Gov's work really well, good tax structures, medical, freedom for the people, all of it. And that Gov structure isn't anything like ours.

So no, I really don't support Ron Paul. However if it comes down to it I probably would vote for him simply because it might work and if not, I can move.

So they aren't suggesting attacking the red states? That changes everything. :winkwink:

No, just what is the point of having states if they can't do anything or have any power?

Ok old man, dosen't bother me if you want to go to war with the rest of the world. All empires will eventually fall, especially when their economy has turned to cow shit! :Oh crap

They do. Just not as much as Paul wants to toss on them. Not every state can afford the same things as CA, so do we all make them suffer as a result?

Guess coming from the UK you would know that as well as anyone.

BTW, I don't ever recall the US declaring itself an "empire."

yES, exactly, so take notes.

I wouldn't be so quick to think that. Recently there were many states that voted on banning gay marriage. There was a state recently that also voted on banning abortion and testing those waters. With the support of the prez a state by state ban on abortion (for those that did vote it in) could easily happen.

A ban on booze out of sight? Hardly. There are still states that have dry counties. I can easily see how they could take the next step.

I am all four state and local governments having a say in how they run and giving the citizens of those states and cities a voice in how they live, but I think anytime you start having one state voting to take away freedoms it is a bad situation and could eventually really divide the country.

Umm yes its not a requirement that an empire be "declared" to be an empire.

I would argue other points people make but the thread title says keep out the hate, so I'm done with this thread it seems Ron Paul critics have anger issues.

Yo dude the states can pretty much ban abortion or allow or ban gay marriage now. Whats gonna change on that? Not much. Everyone isnt for gay marriage, everyone isnt against abortion, yet we expect the whole country to obey one rule when its split almost 50/50?

You mean this isnt already the fact? I think the country has been divided since its creation.

The difference is now you can fight this on a federal level and have it struck down. If we have a president that wants to promote this he could do away with that federal outlet.

I understand that. I'm saying that giving states too much individual power could only make it worse.

kane:

You think he is going to get rid of the Supreme Court? He is not going to change the court systems or their decisions. He is going to shift responsibilities to different areas.

no I don't but what good is promising states expanded power if it will just be overseen/overruled by the supreme court? Let's take the abortion issue for example. If your state bans abortion then someone challenges it and it ends up before the supreme court and the supreme court says that roe v wade overrules the state law what is the point of passing the state law in the first place?

If you are going to expand the power of individual states you need to do something to make sure they can then use that power. I don't know what is plan it, but he must have something in mind.

maybe he's too busy smoking his 100% legal, totally risk free medical marijuana to grasp what you are saying.

They think the south should have won.

The "game plan" was already written. It is called The Constitution :thumbsup

Government is really simple if you just follow the instructions.

Quoted for truth.

Who are you referring to?

The constitution isn't a game plan, it's an idea on how to run the Gov. A game plan would be telling us how he is going to achieve some of more complex goals.

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