Anyone from ccbill and ibill wanna conrim this too ?

First off, $750 is not a huge sum of money if you are in a real business. Secondly, this sounds like a huge godsend for AVS systems. If this actually went down, that seems like the way to make shit fly...

I am all for the paysite business getting harder to get into. I am only disappointed the fee was not more like $5000.

Paysites should be left up to the professionals with experience. Free site and traffic guys should stick with that, they will probably make more $ long term.

The gold rush is over, stop whining. Leave paysite biz up to the pros.

shaw,

look at oxcash

started out with nothing, now push 1000 - 1500 signups a day

so you tell me, how a business can start up if they have to waste $5,000 on billing

Please list all CC processor options:

Globill
Verotel
Paypal
etc...

I have about 10 paysites, so $1500 is a walk in the park. I could have bought something bad ass with that, but of course, this is all part of business in general. I still dont want to pay that.

OPTIONS?

i am still waiting to hear how this affects offshore third party billers ;)

and where is the press release by visa that this is a new international regulation

how is it a waste? they need to collect money somehow. the alternatives are dialers i guess?

You sir, are an arrogant asshole.

they need to collect money?

taking 15 - 20% isn't enough?

they get about 3.95% of the transaction

take 3.95% out of the 3 leading affiliate programs, and figure out how much that is

more then enough :)

i mean oxcash needs to collect money. there's a cost to do that - always has been. now it's higher. well, big deal, it's still not a "waste" to pay it because if you don't you are either a) not going to make any money or b) not going to go into the biz.

ccbill/ibill/epoch et al are probably not going to make a ton of money off these new regs. in fact they'll probably make less at first.

third party billers do nicely

don't fool yourself, from high %'s to mail lists of consumers, they have more then enough money in their pockets :)

$5,000 would be a waste to pay for a third party biller account. you could get 2 offshore merchants for that price, smaller %, and a damn good chargeback rate. (better then in the states)

hence, the list. List list list please.

word up!

FUCK VISA!!!!!
Let's start our own credit card!!!!
Screw the Big Business jack asses who can't seem to get their hands out of the cookie jar.

GO FUCK YOURSELF VISA!!!!!

Does anyone want to strike?
Maybe boycott Visa?
Just use MC?

"Let's start our own credit card!!!! "

$50,000,000 later ;)

Agreed, the industry is getting flooded and oversaturated as is. This will help to get the industry as a whole. It may hurt all of the small guys, but that's not necessarily a bad thing:) It will surely cut back on the punks that think they can jump in the biz and make a quick buck.:thumbsup

are you trying to tell me that YOU are a fucking pro when it comes to paysites? Yes, you run a successful program but that does NOT mean that you are a good pornographer. A statement like that coming from Brad Shaw is like White Castle trying to say "leave the burger business to the pros". You're out of your fucking mind. Your burgers taste like SHIT. You just have a lot of franchises to sell your burgers...THAT'S IT!

That's the main thing that I won't like about the new regulations. Corporate fucks with no fucking common sense providing porn and selling it in relation to volume and not quality.

What about the people who want to push their own unique niche and can't start a paysite? do you think that crap at SIC will cover those niches? Hell Muthafucking No!

Whether the fee is 750 or 7500, i'll come up with the cash because I love what I do. The business should be FILLED with small players that love what they do, not some corporate bullshit who copies any good idea that comes along, and gets the webmasters to push your crap for a short term persignup gain.

Perhaps so, but people who get into the adult biz on a whim, for the fun of it, and not to make money, end up giving content away and spoiling things for those who have second mortgages and really need to make a go of it. Weeding out the hobbyists is not such a bad idea.

Help the industry?

Yeah, because what the industry needs is to be homoginized. Killing off smaller sites will mean more large sites, and the shit that feeds them... TGPs and other purely sponsor-oriented. Let's see how well the business does when there is haldf as much content and the viewer base is growing.

BVF,

shaw knows what he is doing...

he has run paysites for like 5+ years now, and runs one of the leading content companies...

so you know, someone who has built that much, is not a corporate amateur :)

his personality is not liked by some, but hey, who cares if you don't get along with him, your not his boyfriend, it's business.

Well said, I agree with you 110% :thumbsup

What a load of fucking shit...take take take....You get all your bills paid then fuck it there are always more waiting around the corner.....Actually do I have to pay as I am based in Tonga?

McDonalds knows what they're doing also. So does that mean you're going to stop eating your mom's homemade burgers and will be satisfied with Mickey D's?

And I know that it's just "business". That's why I'm going to survive. But it's because I know how to satisfy my customers. It ain't got shit to do with being in biz 5 years or 50 years.

Other than the $750.00 rape fee - this is good news.
In the past honest webmasters have always provided an umbrella for larger thieving webmasters within companies like CBBill and Ibill.

In other words.. site#1 has a .05% chargeback ratio and thieving site#2 has a 4.5% chargeback ratio. Site#2 should be closed for obvious theft and poor business practices but when you average their numbers with the legit webmasters they are still allowed to process. With the new rules, Visa will be able to see who has the high chargeback percentages and address those companies on an individual basis ( shitcan them ). Visa is just taking out the trash and as long as you run a clean show this is good news for you.

nevermind:(

bvf,

it sounds like you have something personal with shaw, and are fueling your arguement with him from that.

being in business longer, gives you more expierence. your customers may mean the world to you, good for you, but by slamming shaw that he isn't a "pornographer" is kind of out of place.

he started up with 1 site, just like you did i am sure, ended up with 2 sites then using ctc. and he has built from that.

so what would you consider a pornographer then?

he started out just like you have ;)

BVF, yes I am a pro when it comes to the paysite business. I have been doing this over 5 years.

I used to be a pro at search engines, free sites, etc. But these days I am only good from the time a surfer gets to the front page of my paysite.

In this business NOTHING substitutes experience. I see programs opening every day that I would never send traffic to. Heck, I think even a few weeks ago I saw one open and close the same day! Stick with the pros in this business, not newbie paysite owners who throw up a partnership program.

BTW, I could care a less about being a pornographer. I am a businessman and I operate my business as a business.

I only wish everyone in this business took business seriously. Nothing annoys more more than kids who hang out trying to get laid, cop a feel, etc. They should go to the AVN fan shows, not webmaster conventions.

I just spoke to ccbill, apparently foreign webmasters are going need to set up a US based account to receive the money into.

Its going to make tax issues a nightmare.

I don't know brad shaw nor do I give a damn about him or anybody else. So there isn't anything personal. I am only directing my comments to shaw due to his arrogant comments made earlier in this thread. Other than that, the name Brad shaw has never passed over my keyboard.

And if he started with one site just like everybody else, he should be the FIRST to understand the importance of new talent coming in to the biz. I agree that most of the newbies are ignorant assholes but to say that someone who can't afford 750 doesn't need to be in the biz is an asshole. He didn't need 750 to start his first site.

The point is once you make it, don't sit up on your high horse and say that others don't have the right to make it because they don't have the initial start up capital. and that's ESPECIALLY when you didn't have to do it yourself and you started your biz during the gold rush.

Non-imaginative muthafuckas can't make it in this biz these days. That's a FACT.

Ok... So how do I make money off of this??????

This industry was built on "hobbyists" from what I have gathered.

This really sucks for the honest amateur sites out there. I don't care what anyone says or claims about "running a paysite."

There are guys who would much rather spend $40 a month to see 500 pics and no videos of one specific girl than $15 a month to access a corporate owned mega site, or the likes. And be quite satisfied. Fuck visa.

Maybe Ebay should charge its sellers $500 registration too, even if they just have a couple things they want to sell.

easy. buy up the sites that are going out of business at "fire sale" prices. :)

Nice! :)

Hey gothweb....


I'll buy all of your sites for $100.00. Okay?

Let me know.

any industry that goes through unprecedented growth, eventually consolidates. It happens over and over again and unfortunately only the biggest players will survive.

I mean look at radio these days. I'm sick and tired of hearing the same 25-40 songs on the radio. There's talent WAY BETTER than what is out there that isn't being heard because of the corporates choking it off.

I'm going to be one of the people who benefits from these regulations. So I'm not complaining like that. But I'm not going to act like I'm the shit and that nobody with a new idea should get a shot in the biz.

Competition fuels innovation. After this, the players who remain will become even more complacent. And this means that the porn will be MORE BLAND, there will be MORE CHARGEBACKS, and there will be LESS MONEY being made by affiliates.

Either way, I'll be relaxing and I'll still be making money. I just feel sorry for the others.

And I have nothing against Brad Shaw because I have never had any dealings with him...

This is sad news indeed...over the past few weeks, on my crusade to find paysites that offered honesty in advertising and overall integrity, I found it was the small independent sites that really shine...Virtually all of the bigger names rely on confusing terms...small print..smoke and mirror trials and other boiler room scams... The adult industry just took another giant thrust forward into the garbage.

The thing I find amusing is all of the big names that think they are the "real" business men that "built" their sites through hard work. About 3 weeks ago, I pulled all links to any external paysites..over 3 days, I set up my own paysite with no trials...just honest and reasonable monthly rates...I know make about 25% of what I did promoting others sites. Which currently puts me down to about $3,000 a month. But my real point is, if I used the same misleading terms that the big boys do, I could have grown my site to my previous level in only 3 days. (Granted, with my search engine, gallery, avs traffic, I receive over 100,000 visitors a day..so I already had steady traffic to send to my sites)

But I wander from the point...anyone can compete in this business if they are willing to lie & cheat...it's sad that the smaller harder working honest players are the ones that will be hurt by this decision by VISA.

P.S. If anyone wants to argue that the business is built on milseading the consumer...look at the announcement sent out by Flashcash yesterday..."
A NEW RULE REGARDING ANY AND ALL TRIAL PROGRAMS.
NEVER STATE HOW LONG ANY OF OUR TRIALS LAST TO YOUR SURFERS."

Spoke to a guy a CCBill he said MasterCard might follow but who cares