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Vanilla DeVille 01-24-2008 09:09 AM

50 CCBills!! :thumbsup

candyflip 01-24-2008 09:15 AM

Looking forward to adding this one to my accounts.

RonC 01-24-2008 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash (Post 13691648)
you wanna charge the european hillbillies more then others right :winkwink:

ROFLMAO :1orglaugh I have heard of Rednecks down South, and Slams on\

Canadians but never this:) I guess whatever makes our clients more money


Ron Cadwell
CEO
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CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com
Ecsuite.com

DutchTeenCash 01-24-2008 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonC (Post 13691778)
ROFLMAO :1orglaugh I have heard of Rednecks down South, and Slams on\

Canadians but never this:) I guess whatever makes our clients more money


Ron Cadwell
CEO
_____________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com
Ecsuite.com

Oh we do have them and I love them, the Ostfriesen in Germany for example, put a John Deer cap on them and you wouldnt see the difference. Im sure they wouldnt mind paying 29 euros instead of 29 dollars :)

yumma 01-24-2008 09:47 AM

sounds nice, but not sure that increase revenue

Dcat 01-24-2008 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonC (Post 13690358)
That is for sure. CCbill Webmasters will now be able to pay affiliates MORE per sale than other programs that don?t use us to process.

Like our Marketing Slogan Says ?INNOVATIONS AT CCBILL?

Ron Cadwell
CEO
_____________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com
Ecsuite.com

The greatest "innovation" yet, would be to figure out a way for Canadian webmasters to accept VISA while using CCBill. :2 cents:

DutchTeenCash 01-24-2008 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 13691951)
The greatest "innovation" yet, would be to figure out a way for Canadian webmasters to accept VISA while using CCBill. :2 cents:

visa canada doesnt want canadians to have an account with visa usa

at least thats what ive understood - so its not in the hands of processors

corvette 01-24-2008 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 13691951)
The greatest "innovation" yet, would be to figure out a way for Canadian webmasters to accept VISA while using CCBill. :2 cents:

to address this question, at one point, we had explored the investment, process, volume, difficulty, etc of setting up a banking infrastructure in Canada but the interest did not seem to be there. I remember I posted on many of the boards and got something like 3-4 actual responses. It appears that most of the businesses operating in Canada found some other type of solution before/after the change in the visa rules in Nov 2002.

Pornopat 01-24-2008 10:21 AM

Feeling even more depressed now that I can not use ccbill.
CCbill can not proces VISA for companies on the Dutch Antilles.
:Oh crap

cherrylula 01-24-2008 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell (Post 13690218)
Thats an awesome feature.

Seperately, if something like that was implemented within the states do you think that would that be legal? IE, if you were able to geotarget poor areas with lower sale prices, would that be an acceptable business practice? Just curious.

Brad

Grocery stores do it, I doubt its illegal! but online regs, who knows?

awesome feature and technology, congrats ccbill.

jpv 01-24-2008 10:58 AM

In the beta testing did any site owners notice a drop in euro sales because of the increase in price?

Sebastian Sands 01-24-2008 11:09 AM

Holy Moly.... look here

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/781961-geo-ip-billing.html


I asked for this 2 months ago and BOOM here comes Ron offering it. How can I get in on this? (beta testing)

Hope someone can hook me up here.

Sebastian

biskoppen 01-24-2008 11:09 AM

I find it very strange that this should in anyway mean 20% more $$$... raising the prices for EU (etc) customers will only decrease the sales from those regions... probably end up in with the same result?

Dcat 01-24-2008 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette (Post 13691998)
to address this question, at one point, we had explored the investment, process, volume, difficulty, etc of setting up a banking infrastructure in Canada but the interest did not seem to be there. I remember I posted on many of the boards and got something like 3-4 actual responses. It appears that most of the businesses operating in Canada found some other type of solution before/after the change in the visa rules in Nov 2002.

There has always been a lot of interest from Canadian webmasters. I think the interest expressed on the boards at the time was only the very tip of the iceberg poking out of the water. At the time of the VISA changes, there were not a lot of options for Canadian webmasters to consider. It was a choice of incorporating out of the country, and then having to deal with all the headaches and risks associated with that, or deal with the one or two companies within the border that really didn't get it. Many of us figured that CCBill, or one of the other large billing companies would step up with a solution for Canadian webmasters, that didn't happen.

I think it would be very worth while to revisit the issue, especially now in light of how popular cascading billing has become. I'm sure lots of Canadian webmasters including myself would really appreciate the ability to cascade with CCBill, as well as diversify the risk of using only one billing company.

biskoppen 01-24-2008 11:15 AM

The euro is appr. 50% higher than the dollar right now, so trying to charge the europeans 50% more than we did "yesterday" and think it won't hurt sales alot is naive

Anyone who's got some stats prooving that this is a good thing?

justsexxx 01-24-2008 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biskoppen (Post 13692244)
I find it very strange that this should in anyway mean 20% more $$$... raising the prices for EU (etc) customers will only decrease the sales from those regions... probably end up in with the same result?


I am pretty sure you do more sales than I do. But I never noticied a big decrease in sales with a higher price. When we changed rom 29,95 to 34,95 the amount of joins and ratio was almost the same...

jpv 01-24-2008 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justsexxx (Post 13692282)
I am pretty sure you do more sales than I do. But I never noticied a big decrease in sales with a higher price. When we changed rom 29,95 to 34,95 the amount of joins and ratio was almost the same...

Those price points are close. With the currency exchange we are talking about taking a $29.95/month membership and charging Europeans $44.95/month. I am curious if any one has done this with EURO traffic and seen much of a difference in conversions?

RonC 01-24-2008 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justsexxx (Post 13692282)
I am pretty sure you do more sales than I do. But I never noticied a big decrease in sales with a higher price. When we changed rom 29,95 to 34,95 the amount of joins and ratio was almost the same...

BINGO WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!

Remember most all transactions of this type(Adult Membership) are impulse buys and not bargain shoppers. They are buying because they want to fulfill their fantasy of that girl or fetish. The last thing they are thinking of when at the point of pulling out a credit card is does it cost 5 dollars more. Even if you loose 1 sale it goes not make up for the difference in overall bottom line money:2 cents:

Remember this is a feature and not mandatory, but I am willing to bet you leave it turned on and look for programs that have it :)


Ron Cadwell
CEO
_____________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com
Ecsuite.com

corvette 01-24-2008 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 13692268)
I think it would be very worth while to revisit the issue, especially now in light of how popular cascading billing has become. I'm sure lots of Canadian webmasters including myself would really appreciate the ability to cascade with CCBill, as well as diversify the risk of using only one billing company.

well, im sure we can revisit this topic, that wouldnt hurt :) if you know/have webmasters that show interest, have them drop me an email [email protected]

D-Money 01-24-2008 01:06 PM

CCBill rules!

Nice feature guys.

xNetworx 01-24-2008 01:09 PM

Very nice guys :thumbsup Mo $, Mo $

PornDiscounts-R 01-24-2008 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonC (Post 13692379)
BINGO WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!

Remember most all transactions of this type(Adult Membership) are impulse buys and not bargain shoppers. They are buying because they want to fulfill their fantasy of that girl or fetish. The last thing they are thinking of when at the point of pulling out a credit card is does it cost 5 dollars more. Even if you loose 1 sale it goes not make up for the difference in overall bottom line money:2 cents:

Remember this is a feature and not mandatory, but I am willing to bet you leave it turned on and look for programs that have it :)


Ron Cadwell
CEO
_____________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com
Ecsuite.com

True, but as biskoppen said it is a pretty big increse in price overnight. I think most sites that have been online for a few years has a lot of members coming back as they know the site and PRICE. And they will think twice before buying. A lot of impulse yes, but still.

Can be a fase of course. As with a lot of new changes, surfers/members need a little time to get used to it.
I will look forward to testing it for sure and a great option to have. :thumbsup

Socks 01-24-2008 01:17 PM

I'm not sure I fully understand this. There have been multi-currency options on CCBill join pages for at least a year or so now, and as a Canadian when I visit a join page it gives me CDN as the first option. I can choose to change this to USD or Euro and it pro-rates the values.

Is this just taking away those options and leaving you with your local currency as the only option?

I understand the impulse buyers, but this isn't 1998 anymore. The adult industry has matured and so have the customers. Most customers are multi-repeat buyers of online porn at this point, probably a great deal of them have formed a "habit".. If the Euro customers have been getting a 50% discount on American porn, why would you think they'll just pony up the extra 50% at the join page when they discover the wildly expensive Euro is the only option?

I don't think a blanket statement saying porn is always an impulse buy does much justice.

However.. I love CCBill, always have, I think you guys are the best billing company around and do a great service to the adult industry. If you think it's going to increase sales, I'd tend to agree - surely you're looking forward to your 20% increase too...

Then again, I just don't really see it going down that way either.. Convince me? How would giving customers less choice and more expensive memberships increase our already dwindling ratios?

PPjohn 01-24-2008 02:31 PM

Intresting

nikki99 01-24-2008 03:37 PM

nice ccbill!!! :thumbsup

Sebastian Sands 01-24-2008 04:42 PM

why no answer to my Q ccbill?

Iron Fist 01-24-2008 05:08 PM

Awesome!!

BradM 01-24-2008 05:11 PM

That took awhile but I won't complain, I'll take it.

milambur 01-24-2008 05:25 PM

Even thou I think it’s a nice feature, I got to agree with some of the previous comments, billing the same amount of Euro instead of dollars will impact sales. I think it will have some effect on initial sales, but will affect rebills and chargebacks a lot more. I seriously doubt there will be a 20% increase in overall revenue in the long term. Besides, price hikes will only push people more towards torrent sites and tube sites.

corvette 01-24-2008 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks (Post 13692819)
Convince me?

socks, this is a common practice in the mainstream world. Clients that wish to choose this option will do so and then maybe they can present their result to you to convince you :)

Let me mention that in economical terms, you make maximum profit when you can sell your products at the highest price a purchaser would pay (everything else equal) and we are now giving our clients tools that give them the option of not undercutting their prices due to currency fluctuations.

In addition to that, you can also exploit the psychological advantage of having 9.99 in your price point.?and from a Risk standpoint, its nice to give our clients options to increase their revenue to keep up with current payouts, so that they don?t resort to than hiding cancel buttons and other shady tricks ;)

corvette 01-24-2008 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands (Post 13692245)
Holy Moly.... look here

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/781961-geo-ip-billing.html


I asked for this 2 months ago and BOOM here comes Ron offering it. How can I get in on this? (beta testing)

Hope someone can hook me up here.

Sebastian

email me pls

[email protected]

V_RocKs 01-25-2008 03:20 AM

If you ever need a surrogate mother. Ron, I am your babies mother.

corvette 01-25-2008 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM (Post 13693880)
That took awhile but I won't complain, I'll take it.

brad, id be interested in what your results are with this

Zango 01-25-2008 04:09 PM

Killer feature but please tell me... why can you guys collect in EU, even via CCbill EU and still pay out in USD?

Blazed 01-25-2008 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonC (Post 13690250)
Brad

I am sure you already know this billing technique is already being used by Dell currently. Order a computer in the US for $1000 Dollars. The same computer is available from Dell in the EU for 1000 Euros. This is not designed to target poor people but rather to allow webmasters to charge for higher costs for higher regions risk factors and delivery costs.

Bottom line is all our customers just got a 20% raise in their annual income:)

Ron C

Thats not the case, example a $6k dell in america is priced at £3k over here and i believe it is the same for euros to.

Jensen 01-25-2008 05:43 PM

I work with trends and stats in the mainstream world and wouldn't it be great if ccbill did this automatically based on earlier numbers? If it made sence to "hit that button" ron is talking about, heck do it for me. I surely would let ccbill decide the optimal price for me, they make more and I'll make more...

The optimal way would be to track everything from niches to countries even to holidays (would a bdsm visitors from sweden buy more on christmas eve if the price was lowered by x dollars? etc etc) Would rock and with the numbers that ccbill are processing, its totally doable.

btw, has ccbill done any research on country to country? There are huge differences in income across europe..

DigitalDruid 01-25-2008 06:42 PM

Very cool stuff. I hope to see some stats soon

BVF 02-04-2008 11:20 AM

I can't wait...I want this feature RIGHT NOW.....

I cringe every time I see a european sale, knowing that I could've made so much more.

pastafari 03-02-2008 03:28 PM

So which programs are using this feature??

MikeSmoke 03-02-2008 03:45 PM

Does anyone have any hard numbers to report on this feature - especially for niche sites that have a huge number of regular returning customers? I love the idea of extra $$ but I'm very leery when someone in Europe who's been joining my site periodically for one price for the last ten years - shows up and the price is all of a sudden twice as much as he expects :-(

the real magoo 03-02-2008 04:07 PM

Its a shame they dont pay in euros.. :upsidedow

Manowar 03-02-2008 04:25 PM

Such a great function

signupdamnit 03-02-2008 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonC (Post 13690358)
That is for sure. CCbill Webmasters will now be able to pay affiliates MORE per sale than other programs that don’t use us to process.

Like our Marketing Slogan Says “INNOVATIONS AT CCBILL”

Ron Cadwell
CEO
_____________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com
Ecsuite.com

How will this work for affiliates exactly? Will it be automatic where if the webmaster has set to pay a %, the affiliate will automatically get the amount actually billed OR will the sponsor have the option to turn this on or off as far as credit goes?

BVF 03-02-2008 05:44 PM

Can we PLEASE get this to go live for all sites that want this? It hurts everytime I see a Euro sale knowing that I could've made so much more...

TheMaster 03-17-2008 04:34 PM

bumping this, which sponsors are using this?

BVF 03-17-2008 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonC (Post 13690259)
This has just been released in Beta with a few clients so far and we anticipate over the next 3 week you will be able to log in to our system and hit 1 button to activate this feature if you want to use it.

Ron Cadwell
CEO
_____________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com
Ecsuite.com

I'm desperately looking for this button.

TheMaster 03-22-2008 02:54 PM

any news on this?

CCBill Paul 03-22-2008 03:30 PM

We are still Beta testing but expect a launch pretty soon here, you won't be able to miss it!

DWB 03-22-2008 08:05 PM

Nice. You guys paying out in those currencies you collect in yet, or only still in USD?

DWB 03-22-2008 08:07 PM

Oh shit, this is old.


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