congratulations, this is the dumbest thing i've heard for the 9,963rd time.

I bought it for my ex wife with the same results. I guess the person should be willing to quit for the remedies to work.

:glugglug

by the powers vested in me you have my permission to fuck off

That would apply to any habit. You have to want to quit.

vicd who are you!?!?!?!?

i am "vic d" i don't think you are allowed to be too. :) explain yourself!!!

Are you perhaps religious? I heard the only meat the preist could eat on Friday was nun.

TWO WORDS:



BEEEEEE

POLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

eat it. b vitamins up the wazoooooooooooooooooooo.


oh if you can't eat insect products that's pretty much too extreme for me. it's unnatural, so eat some unnatural suppliments.

Baddog, melted cheese on the beef tips!?

yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!

ah the lungs... yeah my mother died of lung cancer (age 38), spread from breast cancer, same as her mom (age 51), and her dad of lung cancer from smoking (60 something). Gramps got pneumonia, hospitalized, dead in 3 months. Pall Malls. And I'm going on 33.

and that is why I gave up the bottle. My pancreas wouldn't stop going crazy and I need my liver. Plus its probably one of the worst things you can do if you are avoiding cancer in general.

Both Fletch and myself don't really moderate in anything we do, and that included drinking. If I can't get shit faced, why bother. A buzz isn't good enough. So time to move on.

I drank enough for my entire life, that's for sure. It was fun and I quit while I was ahead. :upsidedow

i'd like to eat a girl in a nun outfit, but a real life nun... it's not sanitary.

no i'm not religious - but me and Krishna and his posse are tight.

Are you giving me unsolicited advice?
Do I know you!?

Go eat some pollen, they did:

http://cotac.com/misc/girls.jpg

Luckily I was able to lift it all off in one solid sheet. I could not believe it.

I guess I should have known there would be a problem when the bartender did not know how to open a bottle of Guinness without half of it foaming out.

Good for you, gal! Still...consider glass of wine a day, it's medicenal.

While I agree with you that wine in moderation is a good thing, you have to admit, there are just some people that can not/should not drink.

are you threatening you little bitch?
squak squak squak
i wouldnt want your whore of a tongue near me in the firstplace.

absolutelly, and I also admit there are people out there who shouldn't drive, have children, etc
:)

Everybody is different, no questions about it.

oh, c'mon, we are talking vegans and cum here, the higher intellectual matters, and you pollute this thread with some esoteric nonsense..
:(

consider the source

Baddog, for some reason I never get along with this guy. He is too young and has too much to prove, not somebody I'd be interested in having conversation with.

Backing up the lesbian vegan because she has the balls (butch) to threaten but not to back it up?

nothing more i would expect from you Serge.

Baddog sticking your nose where it doesnt belong?

ahhhhhh how funny, it comes together as usual.

i cannot have a conversation with you because as usual your hate is misdirected, i do not take any kind of threats lightly. even you must know when someone resorts to threats it is showing their true stupidity.

Hence my comment.

Was I talking to you, bitch?

MM, I don't care if the person is a lesbian, gay or something in between. What I do care in conversation are:
knowledge of the subject
delivery of the knowledge
intellect of the participant
education level


OK, you say you have all those qualities, right?

let me put it to the test:
what classical paintings genre this paiting is reffering to in the spoof?

http://cotac.com/misc/metaman.jpg

eww, sounds pretty heavy.

yeah I have tons of stories from this place, almost too embarrassing to post them. :1orglaugh

I remember being here to visit during Mardi Gras in 2001, tried to get redbull in a bar, and nobody knew what the hell I was talking about. Bartender thought I was nuts. They're just behind down here, its frustrating as hell coming from LA.

Fletch was dropped off here by aliens, it still is hard for me to accept he is from this place.

pssstt,
here is the clue.

and my fault for quoting a troll of such low caliber, I should have known better, my apologies. :1orglaugh

the only dog here is you and again i wouldnt want a whores mouth near it.

dupe-dupe

MM,
do you know that prophanity is no substitute for brain cells?

Where was your wit when I asked you a very simple question?

Serge i know you are used to giving commands like "sit, speak and rollover" and that is why you and cherrylula get along so well.

But i am sorry just because you tell me to jump i do not, put a penny on a trampoline full of kids and how long would you jump for?

I wish this thread was a little more serious, there's some good info in it!

Fletch, isn't that just vitamin B, not B12? There's plenty of sources of B vitamins, but not specifically B12.

I'm trying to learn everything I can about this but basically so far am under the impression that B12 can take many years to drain from your system so you can be a vegan for many years before running out of B12. I've recently had to have a few injections but still no idea why i'm losing the B12 although I have cut my red meat intake to about 2 to 3 small serves a week - which is what is recommended anyway.

Basically all the information out there seems to be bullshit and I don't think anyone really knows what they are talking about yet, but there's an awful lot of people giving bad advice!

Something that did make sense to me was B12 in dirt - ie, eating vege's with the skins still on and planting vitamins in the dirt around them kinda concept. I'm sticking with my home grown sprouts for now until I learn more!

Can I ask why you are vegetarian Fletch?

here is what we drink, the Very Vanilla Silk Soy Milk.

pasted from their popup on their site:

Very Vanilla, Half-Gallon
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 cup (240 mL)
Servings per container 8
Amount per Serving
Calories 130
Calories from Fat 35
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 4g 6%
Saturated Fat 0.5g 3%
Trans Fat 0g
Polyunsaturated Fat 2.5g
Monounsaturated Fat 1g
Cholesterol 0mg 0%
Sodium 140mg 6%
Potassium 300mg 8%
Total Carbohydrates 19g 6%
Dietary Fiber 1g 4%
Sugars 16g
Protein 6g
Vitamin A 20%
Vitamin C 35%
Calcium 35%
Iron 6%
Vitamin D 30%
Vitamin E 20%
Vitamin K 15%
Riboflavin 30%
Vitamin B6 30%
Folate 6%
Vitamin B12 50%
Phosphorus 10%
Magnesium 10%
Zinc 10%
Selenium 8%
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000-calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs:
Calories: 2,000 2,500
Total Fat less than 65g 80g
Saturated Fat less than 20g 25g
Cholesterol less than 300mg 300mg
Sodium less than 2,400mg 2,400mg
Potassium less than 3,500mg 3,500mg
Total Carbohydrates 300g 375g
Dietary Fiber 25g 30g

INGREDIENTS: : ORGANIC SOYMILK (FILTERED WATER, WHOLE ORGANIC SOYBEANS), ORGANIC EVAPORATED CANE JUICE, NATURAL VANILLA FLAVOR, SEA SALT, CARRAGEENAN, VITAMINS & MINERALS: CALCIUM CARBONATE, SODIUM ASCORBATE (VITAMIN C), TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, ALPHA TOCOPHEROL (VITAMIN E), ZINC GLUCONATE, VITAMIN A PALMITATE, VITMAIN D2, VITAMIN B6, RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), VITAMIN B12.

So technically, 2 servings would be 100% of your B12, or so one would conclude from that information. So far so good.

based on a 2,000 calorie diet. oops. :upsidedow

Cherry, thanks heaps for that.
I just got the carton out of my fridge (wierd that this thread is here the first week I ever bought vanilla soy milk) and it says very similar on the side - 1.0 mg of B12 (50% rdi). My GP and the most recent 'digestive specialist' I saw insist there is no B12 in soy products, only in red meat, despite the extensive material that says otherwise.
I wish I had a lab in my house and knew how to test stuff myself!

Thanks for the info, you made my day!
I love this vanilla milk - it makes a great smoothie and with mango's being in season here I pulped up 20 and froze them. I throw a block in the blender with the vanilla milk and it makes a great smoothie.

Sorry serge, I'll think of something funny about swallowing jizz later ;p

Thanks again cherry!

you are welcome. :)

yeah the vanilla is great with cereal too. Mango sounds tasty.

I guess one day we'll figure this b12 thing out. haha

and before I am off to bed, this book is really really great in explaining a lot about vegetarianism. "You Don't Need Meat." I highly recommend it, excellent reading.

Lots of dangers with Soy products as well:

* High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
* Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
* Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
* Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
* Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
* Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.
* Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
* Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
* Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.
* Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

Sorry I took so long to reply, if my "online" icon indicated I was on, it was because i left the window open while i was AFK.

I can't address all the Vitamin B stuff, I don't claim to know all about the topic.

As far as why I am veg now:

All my life I was grossed out by cow milk (mucos), eating chicken eggs, eating steak - it always grossed me out. I come from a long line of Southern Hunters and butchers, i grew up skinning deers, eating them - killing everything, and eating it.

Just last year before my grandfather died, I had the pleasure of grinding up 200 lbs of deer and making old fashioned cajun deer sausage one last time before he passed, that was about the end of it for me. I had already given up red meat, but had finally been grossed out enough to say "isnt there something else i can put on my plate and eat?"

So, as Cherry mentioned I ordered the book (or she did) YOU DONT NEED MEAT, and the author and I share a very similar story.

All my life growing up, my mom would cook big bloody steaks, with sausage on the side etc... and i would literally just sit back and eat the entire head of Iceberg lettuce, she would joke and ask me "are you a rabbit, don't you want to eat your steak. and drink your milk?"

So, at age 30 I decided enough was enough, as an adult now, i buy what I eat, and I chose what I put in my body, so... now I eat things that don't bleed. And with the clone cow milk and meat coming soon to a grocery to you (FDA already approved clone milk, and all products from cloned animals) - i really got out in time.

I quit red meat long before I gave up chicken and turkey, fish etc...

but like everything else a human can quit, once you make the decision, and once you feel and see the results, it becomes a lot easier to stick with it.

When I was eating like shit, and destroying myself with alcohol and drugs daily, I wasnt getting vitamin B either! I was barely eating! Whats worst, not eating and drinking beer all day, or being eg and have people ask me "where you get your protein from?"

This is what makes me laugh at folks with this argument,.. you want to see someone eating like shit? Look at how I used to eat... i wasnt a bit worried about protein, or any vitamins, now I know I at least get as much of them as I can.

PornFarmer, if I looked long enough I bet I could find a list that long of problems with the common apple ...

Our bodies are all different, we react differently to everything based on our blood types, cleanliness of our livers and kidneys, toxins in our bodies, overall health, exercise, the air we breath, the depth of our breath etc etc etc.

The worst problem in this world right now is that so much of the medical industry insists that everyone can be treated the same way, with the same little pill, no matter what chemical reactions are already going on in our bodies. Eating the 'food pyramid' almost killed me, and yet that's 'recommended for everyone'.

The only thing I know for sure is that most of us know fuck all ... it reminds me of the whole 'the earth is flat' thing ... one day, we'll wonder how we knew so little!

Exactly... so worry less about what you eat, be happy and focus on enjoying life, instead of worrying about what may or may not kill you! :thumbsup

cloned milk & meat? oh fucking hell yuck.

Sorry for all the questions but aside from the personal reasons I've recently started an animal rights website with a friend who works with PETA and am very curious what leads people to their choices. I am not personally keen on being vegan or even vegetarian yet but had already started cutting out most of these things over the last 5 years for health reasons.

Its funny that 'protein' is always peoples first question - that part is easy as anything, its all the little vitamins and stuff I never knew our bodies needed that is the challenge. I am also gluten and dairy intollerant so I am having an interesting time learning about my insides!!!!!

I've been designing up a whole bunch of stuff for magazine ads etc and some of the images, especially of chicken and pig battery farms, is really horrible.

Thanks for sharing ;-)
Its funny what we can learn from a porn board LOL

its less about what will kill me and more about what will make me shit explosively for a week and feel like there's knives in my stomach ... I hope you never know what I'm talking about :-)

We have two Vegans in my martial arts class. They're both pussies. I think that's a Vegan thing.

Someones girl in this thread has them insanely whipped it is not even funny.

he probably gets his dick sucked more than you :winkwink:

i would never let a women with that kind of no class filthy mouth come near my cock. a women who talks to much with her teeth also gives head to much with her teeth.

if you saw my girl their would be no comparison, i get head more often and obviously better.

obviously!

they've both left for bed, but you're here posting .........

who are you talking about?
why are you assuming? do you know something i dont? or do?

i wonder which puppy followed to bed with its tail between its legs?

yes, biology speaking thats true. our closest relatives, chips, apes, etc.. have a diet that contains 1% - 10% meat protein.

americans on the other hand...