It was 5 or six years ago - and yes I had a partner. Get over it.

I find no posts with proof that they are actively stealing...

I see you saying they stole a few different amounts of money from you with no proof. And I see people asking about checks that bounced which has happened with many programs.

Got that proof coming yet?

That still does not answer any of my questions.

How do the numbers keep changing?

Its 700+ for my personal account.

3000+ for Gordy's account.

OK - What bit do you not understand?

no asshole. you WORK for a company that you are making look very bad. You PROMOTE AFF. You always took up for them and you send (or sent) them traffic.

Find me the 100's of posts about Clickcash Stealing, provide proof or be banned. GFY might not do anything about this, but I am sure Maxcash wouldn't appreciate one of their employees attacking another company with false claims and leaving them open to lawsuite. The borden of proof is on you to prove you claims. You are a liability for Maxcash, and from the looks of the stats you do a shitty job.

Im waiting back from Maxcash to hear if this is their new policy to get traffic, they get their reps to attack other people over total bullshit. Go back and read the first post you made, total crap. And then when you know its crap you resort the to " clickcash scams people" . Can't wait to see maxcash's thoughts on this.

Yes I lied - 100s dosnt cover it - I should have said 1000s over the years..

Since you want to make MaxCash the issue and claim that no one complains about them, posted on another board last month:

so clickcash has scammed 1000's of webmasters over the years. where is your proof ?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Why didnt you post the rest of the thread?!!

I know it well.... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Right here on GFY - do your own homework.

I don't have a dog in this race, but here are my 2 cents. I have been a ClickCash affiliate for over a year. Sent a couple thousand signups. I admit their support isn't good, but when I've needed an address change or something else, they've been good with responding.

Being one of the highest paying PPS sponsor for free signups, they're going to have loads of fraud. I'm sure they cancel a lot of accounts they deem fraudulent, and I'm sure many are false-positives. I've been cancelled by a program or two because of that, e-mailed them, and fixed the issue. Almost every program will switch affiliates sending poor members to revshare. AFF does it as well as many others. Since ClickCash doesn't have a revshare option, they have to cancel the account.

The idea that they actively dump affiliates to grab a couple thousand dollars is absurd. Maybe you fell into that false-positive area. It truly sucks, but it's just what we have to deal with when using PPS sponsors. But ClickCash and iFriends did not become the size they currently are by randomly dropping profitible affiliates for a couple thousand dollars. It is the dumbest conceivable business plan.

And while you can link to a Ripoff Report page by some angry customer who probably had his credit card swiped. Or a story of a webmaster getting a bounced check that was probably fixed. I don't think you can find them being sued by the FTC for allegedly ripping off a ton of people. I've never seen ClickCash listed as one of the top ten dot-cons by the government. There is this saying about stones and glass houses I've heard before.

I'll add that I've always liked MaxCash and thing the program has always been solid for webmasters. I was an affiliate years ago and was thinking of starting back up with them. The program is solid and I don't think it needs this kind of drama to attract business. I really hope this is just a Damian/Will beef and not something MaxCash is doing to build up sig views. The program is really above that.

perhaps it's time for you to get a new job and do great work like this for another company. Now BECAUSE OF YOU, all of MAXCASH's history is being drug up for the new people on GFY that doesn't know about it to find out.


Way to go.


BTW, i didn't make the accusations asshole, no need for me to "do my homework" start providing links to those 1000s of posts on gfy where people were saying that clickcash scammed them.

I suspect Damian isn't aware of the MaxCash history... well.. maybe he is and is stupid enough to talk about a different company ripping people off while working for one that was nailed for it..

I like MaxCash though... I didn't come into this biz until well after they got slapped and from what I've seen they've been pretty clean since then.. and they convert decent.

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It is a Damian/Will beef - its been going on for years.

I wouldnt start drama to promote MaxCash - Will knows it, I know it and MaxCash knows it.

I dont like the guy - MaxCash said I should post the way I always did in the past - anything else would be hypocritical.

lol - innocent on all charges - next....

I have a friend he doesnt do shows or post on here but he does about 250k with click cash and has been doing it for a long time. I think its easy to go after click cash because they arent on the board.

The MaxCash final judgment...
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/08/rjbstip.htm

CC do pay - and a lot that is for sure.

But if they dont like your traffic they just stop.

Maxcash in a way pay in advance in the same way as CC - we would never term an affiliate because the conversions dont meet our expectations.

I would tell MC to stick it if they ever did.

Will dosnt see that as a problem - thats what this is all about.

Hey does this count ??

3 guesses who made this accusation:


" Maximum Cash - you have all been caught out - why no answer? So here we go -

http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/ex...ads-adult.html - is a list of Spyware advertisers. is a list of Spyware advertisers. "

Yeap it was our friend Damian_Maxcash who was accusing maxcash of being a spyware advertiser....

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/667413-clickcash-nasty-maximum-cash-caught-answer.html

I am glad you took the time to read it...

It was dealt with 100% - I remembered this as well.

I wouldnt have dealt with them if I wasnt 100% sure...... :thumbsup

No its not. You are lieing again. I've had you on ignore for over 6 months, I even ignored you on ICQ because you were harrassing me. You made up lies saying clickcash paid me to attack AFF now you make up lies that there is 1000s of people on GFY that were scammed by clickcash. You post no proof, you just make lies. There is no " will / damian " shit, just you harrassing me.

You started this thread for a reason: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/808015-knock-will76-size.html


I truely believe it was to provoke me into an arguement with you for sig views. It has been shown from the stats posted the sites you work on are not doing well, so this must be your brillant idea to get your hits up. Congrats to you I took the bait. Now all I need to find out is if this was approved and is the policy of Maxcash.

I did read it... and also what maxcash used to have posted on their site about it... Thing is, a LOT of companies back then were doing everything maxcash was doing but didn't get slapped for it... I think that the FTC action actually made a bunch of them clean up their act out or fear of something similar happening...

The point however is that you keep calling ClickCash scammers while working for a company that at one point was scamming consumers.

I'm done... You obviously haven't read the maxcash TOS and all the things they can choose at any time to not pay you for... you've staked a position and won't budge even if you're proven wrong... waste of time...

Oh look Maxcash bounces checks too.. no way i thought it was only clickcash Damian...


posted on another board:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Thats fucking hilarious!!

Nothing to do with sig views you idiot.....

Everything to do with pissing you off because I am sick (Chicken Pox) and bored.

2 days of entertainment Will, I knew I could count on you :thumbsup

did you read this ?

From MaxCash's TOS:
so basically from my understanding they can change your payout to $1 at any time and then ban you.


Wow.

If Maxcash ever dont pay anyone I will leave - everyone knows that.

lol :thumbsup

sorry not buying the entertainment thing. Unless you think attacking people for no reason, making up lies about them, about other companies and in the process dragging the company you work for name through the mud.... which i seriously doubt.

I honestly think you did it for the sig views. Try to do damage control any way you can, you fucked.

posted on another board:

I didnt need to lie - and still had my weekend fun.

Win and win again Will.......

Keep going, I have to sleep at some point :)

yeah you won, you did a great job with this thread I can't wait to see how many gold stars your bosses give you for all the sig views you generated for them.

MaxCash settled with the FTC, they weren't found innocent. In their settlement they were allowed to deny the accusations. Nonetheless it's still a settlement that required MaxCash to dramatically change how they did business.

In the FTC reports, they found that there were over 200,000 chargebacks during the year for MaxCash. Assets were frozen, payments were very late and many checks for one month bounced. The FTC received so many complaints for them they added them to the top ten dot-cons press release.

I'm not trying to bash the history of MaxCash, I'm just saying I think it's insane to bash a company like ClickCash for their history when MaxCash is much more shadier. I know a ton of companies were pulling the same shit back then, and none of this was unique to them. But it's hard to compare the accusations brought against MaxCash to a few ClickCash checks bouncing and a few guys complaining about a $6.95 charge on RipoffReport.

As long as I dont lie they support me.

Not even in the same ballpark!!

Even bringing up the FTC shit shows how full of crap Will is.

The one thread he could pull with MaxCash named came from another board and ended with the complainer saying sorry .... :1orglaugh

So you are saying that being listed as a dotcon by the FTC, having to settle with them, having your assets frozen by them is not as bad as bouncing some checks? Which maxcash did when their assets were froze....

you think ??:Oh crap

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


NosMo

That's bullshit. You and I both know it is bullshit. I had a client who I worked with for over a year. After that initial check bounced, he was issued another which also bounced and then he could never seem to get a check out of click cash again. As I remember it was a considerable amount of money.