Be advised that if your hurt his feelings he may just stop honoring you with the spam he posts...virtually daily.

not going to happen.

1. you are trusting theives. bad move, you going to get fucked.
2. If the illegal tube site went to all sponsor approved content it would be a site full of short videos. Then they would lose market share to other illegal tube sites that show full length videos. The length of the video does matter. You not going to find many sponsors if any who are going to approve the use of their videos that are more than a couple minutes long.
3. Shap (Twistys) already tried to work with redtube and they screwed him.

1. Yes I agree, which is why I wouldnt deal with them

2. Things are changing, if they are willing to pay for the b/w then there is no reason why full length movies isnt a legitimate marketing tool. Those webmasters who think they are competing with you tube sites are dead in the water this year. you tubes are not going anywhere. The argument about the length of videos is outdated and wrong. It is the same argument as 3 years ago saying tgp's give away to much content :2 cents:

3. See 1)

A full length scene will never be a good marketing tool. Once the load is blown,buying a membership become not necessary.This is porn not cookies we are selling.

hmmmmmmmmmm

Paul Markham is one of the very few sponsors we don't promote...

:( I'm in the same boat as Paul....:upsidedow

So you are saying that a tube site with hour long videos is going to be just as popular as one with 2 min videos?

Or are you saying that sponsors giving away full length video clips is not going to hurt sales to their sites but instead help them get more sales ? (picture and video membership sites not cam,dating, etc..)

I dont think it is the same arguement, with tgps / mgps people were worried about giving away too much, with full length videos you are not giving away " too much" you are giving it all away.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

OK, Hold on one fucking minute.

If a newb came in here saying her was going to work with a Tube site because no one is sending his TGP traffic and he just can't make it we would flame the idiot...

Why is it different for Paul?

You are a tool! You are basically saying we should do deals with you out of the goodness of our hearts? WTF? That isn't how business works, bro!

Great reply Paul, I have never promoted your sites or bought content from you, and now there's absolutely no chance I ever will.

Keep up the good work!

Magic join links, mysterious make believe surfers writing letters, and now a big fuck you to affiliates and content customers ....

It just keeps getting better. :)

Correct...before tgp's came along our conversions were great. We learnt to adapt/accept them and the drop in conversions, but the upside was we could generate a truckload more traffic and still make the $$. Now with tube sites just giving absolutely everything away, and if as Paul has done we all decide to join them our conversions will be massively less than tgp's.

The only possible way this can work for everyone is if all tube sites as a group institute a 1-2 minute long maximum rule for the vids. Then we could all work with them as Paul is doing. But for now they are not and Paul is being a complete dick....

Good point, but then again they could have linked it like that to hide the usage.

But bottom line, if he didn't really buy the spot...he's still letting them send traffic.

Paul the reason you are doing this as you admit is because you are a failure. One of the reasons for that is that you are like a village idiot when you post and your work is only ok at best while you act like you are the best. Well in the end you tried but failed and now are forced to be a scum supporter of stolen content sites...LOL:1orglaugh Good Luck with that dude..:1orglaugh

Paul says here something funny
http://www.gfy.com/13790643-post61.html
This on the issue that webcams.com runs a tubesite

Seems he is more sneaky then i thought.

:1orglaugh Paul, this is how you do business?
You are a JOKE!!!!!

did you ever think that if you spent all the time you spend crying and worrying about other peoples business on doing something productive you wouldn't be so unsuccessful? you're probably going to get offended, but if you listen to my advice and try it sometime you will make a lot more money.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

What are you talking about, what do you know about what I make and what I dont make?
Also sorry unless you work in cave others actions affect your business.
What do you think caused the loss of paypal, amex and down to a 1% cb ratio. People doing whatever the fuck they wanted and no one feeling it was there place to bring it up. Well all those things affected all our businesses not just theirs.

one hundo

cien !!!

What is going one here? Lets just get back to selling porn. Fuck all the bullshit.

No, what I am saying is unless you have invented a time machine and can go back and uninvent you tubes then you have to either learn to adapt and try and work with it or find a different job.

Those who think that you cant sell porn, because someone is giving a movie away for free has a very steep learning curve and need to learn why people pay for porn. Free porn has always been around. Far more was passed around free way before the internet was invented.

Those who think they are losing sales because of tube sites and want it all to go back to how it was before tube sites were invented, will be of little relevance soon, because they wont be here.

Free sites have now evolved. They are not going anywhere, no chest banging or shouting on GFY is going to turn the clocks back.

Pay sites have to sell to the customer by offing the customer what he wants. Offering something more, better. Not by trying to force the customer into signing up because they cant find free porn somewhere else.

Unfortunatly most webmasters cant understand this simple point and think some magic is going to happen and we will all go back to better days before tube sites. But like I said, no matter as those webmasters wont be here much longer

LOL

Maybe someone will come up with the great idea of Tube2 sites like the TGP2 sites.

Not going to happen. Forget it. Tube sites are not going anywhere. Learn to live with it, offer something better or find a new job

What is really going on here?

Ooooh I see, now I get it....I have to offer 5 hour free videos. Thanks for the lesson, off to work I go...

Actually TGP2 worked on the idea of giving less to the surfer rather than more.... so one would assume given his argument of Tube2 that it would give less too :)

Not that either method did or would work because water doesn't flow up hill.

Well if you think that to compete with a tube site you need to offer 5 hour free videos then its best you start looking for a new job now. I cant keep repeating this if you wont listen.

Tube sites are not going anywhere

Exactly. It wouldnt work and isnt going to happen anyway.

Tube sites are going to get bigger offer better vids, longer vids and more vids and there is going to be more and more tube sites. All competing to give the best vids available.

Those who think the way to deal with this FACT is to shout on GFY about getting them shut down are of little consiquence, as they wont be here in a year anyway.

Tube sites are going no where. Learn to live with it or learn to flip burgers

Man, you hit the nail on the head. Nice to see someone else with sense around here, I was kind of thinking all sense went out the window.

tell us how you really feel:upsidedow

New Tube Sites are like the war on drugs, you cant stop it, theres going to be huge demand for free movie porn until the end of time. Either figure out a way to profit from it or get in a business that wont be cannibalized by tube sites. You cant tell me you didnt see it coming, PaulM is just getting with the times

:2 cents:

So, you agree with this then ? http://www.viraldiscussion.com/post/...n-adapt-or-die

People with sense round here? :upsidedow

Its become like watching monkeys at the zoo here. Amusing once a year for about 1/2 an hour. Those with sense like to watch the monkeys beating their chests and swinging from one dum ass idea to the next :winkwink:

You all keep forgetting the industry all goes tube crazy full scenes given away. Governments around the world are going to start filtering out porn. Now I know the adapt or die crowd and the short term thinkers have a hard time with this.
We know for the most part politicians are not the most net savy bunch. Bt's,newsgroups even tgps its foreign but a tube site just click and there is a full length anal scene.
All you forward thinkers have to start thinking outside your own little industry . Porn has always been sold behind counters, in shops with darkened windows. Since its not open access its been tolerated.
Because things for the first time have gotten slow,people are scared and are going to embrace the giving the house away mentality. We are on the road to being banned off the web. Mark my words and then people will cry its not fair ,they are picking on us.If we dont police ourselves others will do it for us.

Paul,

The logic leading up to your conclusions is OK - that it comes down to money being the first priority. But in the end your conclusion that you should partake in the adult tube phenomenon is most probably incorrect. We tried a bit of tube traffic maybe 6-9 months ago... it was LOUSY. There are definitely MUCH better ways to get traffic even in the short term - not to mention that over the long term tube sites may make it a LOT more difficult to SELL any adult video product on the web.

You should reconsider.

:2 cents::thumbsup

Looks like redtube is run by an idiot, LOL..
His affiliate link is missing his ccbill id :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I wonder if you would agree with my thoughts on this matter (link in sig).