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Rochard 02-20-2008 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13806915)
Every country has laws, police and jails. Sometimes people are arrested for breaking these laws, sometimes people are arrested for what someone thinks is a violation of these laws, sometimes people get a fair trial, sometimes people don't. So? We all know that.

A seatbelt law is an infringement of my freedom. A terrible draconian measure whereby I am legally forced to be restrained to my seat when I drive (at less than 70 mph on I-95, of course). Am I truly FREE when i can't smoke in a restaurant, can't drive 90 mph, can't smoke weed, can't drive without a seatbelt, must restrain a baby in a child seat when driving, and so on? A myriad of laws all restricting my freedoms?

Some countries have laws that seem absurd to people from other countries. I was just in the Netherlands and couldn't get sudafed for my cold without a prescription. Yet I could buy and smoke weed or buy hookers. Where am I truly free? I can buy a handgun in the US. Does that make me more free than in most other western countries?

Most first world western countries that I've travelled to have about the same degree of political liberties. There are little differences. One might get arrested for denying the holocaust in one country but there might be no legal ramifications for the same action in another.

Freedom is meaningful only comparatively. It seems to me when you compare the political freedoms in Cuba vs The United States, Canada, Australia and the EU you are looking at two completely different worlds.

Very interesting comments.


My mother visited Cuba a few years ago and had no problems. She told me it's very nice there really....

Sarah_Jayne 02-20-2008 10:22 AM

When I first moved to the UK I was a travel agent and it was a real culture shock when I was booking package holidays to Cuba. In that late 90's period it was pretty popular destination for UK folks looking for a beach holiday.

TheSenator 02-20-2008 10:22 AM

I can't wait for all the stupid Republican Cubans to go back to Cuba. USA should lift the embargo, open up their market and give them free rides back.

Bryan G 02-20-2008 10:29 AM

Cuba has issues no doubt. Nothing like they had before the revolution though I'll tell you that. At least people are not hungry and are educated.

kektex 02-20-2008 10:34 AM

Hehe I love all these pro-cubans. Everything looks lovely from a distance.
Try living there for a couple of months outside of the hotels area.

The first time you dont have toilet paper to wipe your ass, can´t eat steak,can´t find sanitary towels,can´t access google,yahoo, etc. you´ll be begging to go back home wherever it is.
Would you like it if your kids had to ask these kinds of questions:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/am...s/#cnnSTCVideo


I wonder why cubans cant stay in a cuban hotel even if they can afford it? Why they can´t travel outside their country? Why they can´t protest against their government without being detained? Sounds like a fucking paradise huh?

But hey, it´s cool to be anti-establishment and a Che Guevara (mass murderer btw) lover right? Oh wait, it´s not. We are not 16 years old anymore.

kektex 02-20-2008 10:44 AM

BTW, I have had the opportunity to talk to cubans living here in Venezuela in the Barrio Adentro Program. They are cuban doctors working here.
At first they won´t talk to you , but once you gain their trust they´ll talk openly about the living situation in Cuba.
That free health care sounds good, but when they have to reuse gause, dont have sutures, doctors dont have a basic x-ray machine, it doesn´t look too good.Of course, if you are a foreigner in Cuba you get first-class treatment (like in the documentary Sicko).

Free education. Sounds nice too , but cubans only learn what the government is willing to teach them. And worshipping Castro is a huge part of the education.

Yep, sounds like a real paradise.

ADL Colin 02-20-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kektex (Post 13807349)


I wonder why cubans cant stay in a cuban hotel even if they can afford it? Why they canīt travel outside their country? Why they canīt protest against their government without being detained? Sounds like a fucking paradise huh?

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ADL Colin 02-20-2008 11:22 AM

What's the big deal about "free education" when the job it gets you pays $4500/year? I'd rather have the expensive education I took out loans for. Thanks.

Violetta 02-20-2008 11:25 AM

I have never been there, and are not planning to either

BenKennedy 02-20-2008 11:38 AM

you can go to cuba if you make a stop to bahamas or mexico first...

TheSenator 02-20-2008 12:08 PM

So, when Cuba is liberated are the Cubans here in America gonna leave?

ADL Colin 02-20-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 13807735)
So, when Cuba is liberated are the Cubans here in America gonna leave?

I hope not. I'd hate to lose the great "culture" we have in Miami.

TheSenator 02-20-2008 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13807751)
I hope not. I'd hate to lose the great "culture" we have in Miami.

They have contribtued a lot to the "culture" of Miami.

I am in the mood for a Cuban sandwich.
http://www.fallingstar.net/awakened/...n_sandwich.jpg

ADL Colin 02-20-2008 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 13807828)
They have contribtued a lot to the "culture" of Miami.

I am in the mood for a Cuban sandwich.
http://www.fallingstar.net/awakened/...n_sandwich.jpg

That's what I'm saying. Miami has awesome food.

stev0 02-20-2008 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 13807099)
I'll be in Cuba within 30 days of the embargo being lifted....I'll be able to afford to buy.

No one can buy property in Cuba :2 cents: It's publicly owned.

stev0 02-20-2008 02:17 PM

They don't like the US... and they have many good reasons including the trade embargo that crippled their economy and the attempted bay of pigs invasion. Both sides are to blame.

Sure they parked a few soviet missiles for a while, the US needs to get over it and stop trying to push their capitalist system on the rest of the world.

ADL Colin 02-20-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0 (Post 13808295)
They don't like the US.

Who specifically do you mean by "they"?

Cherry7 02-20-2008 03:03 PM

Cuba is a poor country and life there is harder than in the few richest countries of the world.

But life is better for those poor people than in a lot of other poor countries, and with more freedom...
Freedom from hunger, illiteracy, crime, illness etc...

Remember when Castro came to power he was a middle-class kid who went to the States for help, Washington kicked him into the arms of the Russians.

Why ? Because you can do anything in the world but Challenge American power and the right of US corporations to trade (exploit) .

Just look at US allies around the world...corrupt dictatorships screwing their own people...

And who are the evil ones Cuba and Venezuala for using oil monies to help people.

I lived in a communist country for 5 years... In its cinemas it showed films from around the world, US Japanese...and Russian and Polish films, TV programs from around the world...

Any Americans here like to have a discussion about Russian Films? Polish Films?

Havn't seen any? Why not ? Your country so free?

Of course its a free country after all anyone can be president as long as he has $1000,000 plus...

DeadFidel 02-20-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kektex (Post 13807349)
Hehe I love all these pro-cubans. Everything looks lovely from a distance.
Try living there for a couple of months outside of the hotels area.

The first time you dont have toilet paper to wipe your ass, canīt eat steak,canīt find sanitary towels,canīt access google,yahoo, etc. youīll be begging to go back home wherever it is.
Would you like it if your kids had to ask these kinds of questions:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/am...s/#cnnSTCVideo


I wonder why cubans cant stay in a cuban hotel even if they can afford it? Why they canīt travel outside their country? Why they canīt protest against their government without being detained? Sounds like a fucking paradise huh?

But hey, itīs cool to be anti-establishment and a Che Guevara (mass murderer btw) lover right? Oh wait, itīs not. We are not 16 years old anymore.

Thank you... and you can't skip the part where he says that he was asked to leave a US department store for not speaking english..too fucked up.
Nice post.

latinasojourn 02-21-2008 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Holly (Post 13806814)
Same shit on many "tropical paradises". Ever been to Jamaica? The resorts are like heaven, but don't even think about leaving and going anywhere other than the "tourist" trips. Even some of those are pretty suss. Poverty, begging, people waiting to rob you, etc. It's best to stay inside the walls.

pretty much true.

in most tropical climates all over world the native folks aren't very industrious.

and this generally equates to a fairly low standard of living by western standards.

everyone is happy and warm, hungry? go steal a neighbor's chicken or pick a mango.

ever been to the philippines? you will see the laziest fucks in the world standing around doing nothing, nice, passive and lazy. 10 people tripping over themselves doing the work of one white man. the women doing 90% of the work everywhere. no wonder a boatload of japs took over the country 70 years ago.

in germany they invented the mercedes benz, and there, if you don't get out of bed you freeze to death in the winter.

L-Pink 02-21-2008 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by stev0 (Post 13808295)
They don't like the US... and they have many good reasons including the trade embargo that crippled their economy and the attempted bay of pigs invasion. Both sides are to blame.

Sure they parked a few soviet missiles for a while, the US needs to get over it and stop trying to push their capitalist system on the rest of the world.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

ADL Colin 02-21-2008 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 13808505)

Any Americans here like to have a discussion about Russian Films? Polish Films?

Havn't seen any? Why not ? Your country so free?
.

Netflix and Amazon have Russian language films.

ADL Colin 02-21-2008 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 13808505)
Any Americans here like to have a discussion about Russian Films? Polish Films?
.

No comments will discuss russian films with you.

ADL Suzie has seen some Polish films I think. I will ask when I get to the office.

xmas13 02-21-2008 04:34 AM

FACT: a good communist is a dead one.

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