It was Pornonada who first brought it to the public eye on Ask Damage. So not me.

The original buyer asked me if he could sell the content. I told him no for exactly the same reason you don't allow others to sell your program. Then after the original buyer sold it. Yes after being told he could not. Pornonada and/or DamageX later came onto me to tell me they had lost it in the transfer and they wanted to re download it. First I knew the original buyer had ignored my instructions. I tried to reach a price with them for the transfer and the re supply. If we can't reach a price agreement he takes the content down, not keep using it. But anyone thinking that's what he was always going to do?

However it's all negated by the fact they are breaking the license terms anyway. He knew he did not have the license, he kept using it, he knew it was not licensed for affiliate use, he kept using it.

He keeps saying he has sold the program on again, but refuses to give me the name of the new owners. So he sold content he does not own a license for and using against the terms of that license. Are you this lenient?

Usually I will transfer a license with no fuss, it's my job to transfer it not for the original buyer to sell it. In this case I was ignored by the original buyer and Pornonada who just used it. But I'm the bad guy.

For sticking to the terms of my license. Anyone thought I just don't want someone who clearly ignores licenses to have the license?

Interesting thread. DA DA DAAAAAAAAA.....

let me get this right... you were paid for the content... the person that sold the program can't pass on the license to the content?

Very interesting and educational thread.

Only in PM little own world will that make sence. Why in hell buy content for a site/domain if you down the road cant sell the whole site. It`s not like selling the content itself, just a part of a site package. but no no lol
Has to be the most stupid biz move ever :2 cents:

He should write on his site: If you are having any plans what so ever to make your site a success and maybe sell it later you should NOT buy content from me. :1orglaugh

What means ignored? There is no way to remove things immediatly. I asked you about 100+ times to tell me where exactly you see your content and what exactly it is so it can be removed. You always said to check on the license and you know exactly that there is none because you never released one to the originally owner. Than you refused to point me to the exact content so it can be removed. Another reason is that the whole program, as said already, is being again transfered to a know owner, there are NATS problems, CMS problems and whatever not, the whole thing is fucked up from everywhere.

Why i refused to pay? Yes because we never could agree to a price, each time you name a different price, beginning from US$ 2200, than 500 US$ + removing you from the shitlist on adx, than a banner on adx again combined with a shitlist removal, than somewhere 1000 US$, than today 3 or 5 times the price which ends up to be 11.000 US$.
Why don't you just admit honestly, as i admit my mistakes, that it's just all about because your affilate program was put into the "public shitlist", you mentioned it already x times on icq conversations that you will pay us back for that, and that's the real reason why you make everything so there is no deal possible and than play your story about content theft and piracy. Damn, when i told you that i right at the moment sell the program to a new owner you wanted to cash another time for that, means i had to pay 2 times for the content which would have meant that for the very same content, on the very same domains it had to be paid 3 times in 1 year.
Even if it's in your license agreement, it's no way fair, and as said already, it's not that much about the content, but me and damagex and the shitlist entry of your program ...

I refused most prices because they have been combined with removing your program from the "public shitlist", that's a deal we can not agree on.
Additionally i asked 100 times about the exact content, so it can be removed and the case can be solved. All you said is i had to find out my own, which makes it an extremely hard task to fish your <1GB content out of 150GB Content. Not to talking about the pics that have been used somewhere on some tours. I just have no idea what was bought from you, you never released a license, never helped finding the content and just nothing, so that's the reason why we hope "removeyourcontent" will take the job and find and remove every piece of your content. Ironiclly is that the "pirate" has to hire him to get things solved ....

very interesting

This is a stupid thread.

You know damn well there was no theft of anything Paul. They tried to get it worked out with you, but you see it as a chance to gain some leverage and try to throw your weight around while trying to selectively enforce your ignorant terms.

In case you haven't noticed, some people don't react well to threats and extortion.

Fuck you Paul, I am more convinced than ever that you belong in the shitlist.

If I saw someone using my product in violation of my license agreement I'd be pissed too. Yea there are ALWAYS excuses and reasons but the fact remains someone is abusing your property. The fact you sold it once is irrelevant.

If someone approached me ahead of time I would probably issue a new license for a token amount or try to sell additional content and tie the old stuff into the new agreement.

If I caught someone using product without a license hell I'd jack the price up too. What I don't see is how any of this is Paul's fault.

You turn it round, forth and back until it fits somehow, right? I could copy and paste about 20 times i posted/messaged it that the whole memberrs areas have been lost and not be absolutly honest i even wasn't aware that there excist FHGs with your comment which is again my vault because i never thought i would have such trouble when buying a whole affilate program. But next time i will for sure ensure the following things:
- that there is no Paul Markham content anywhere
- that i get a full list with when what which content was used

So, you write all the time you found a lot but never post the URL's, so why don't you share with us what means a lot? I'am more than curious to see which are the "Lots" of FHGs made with your content? So far you only claim whatever not. While you are mostly right and i don't realy doubt it, it would be nice to point us to exact the things that you think and can proof are yours.

After it seems you have a lot of spare time why don't you just check? The fact that NONE of the other content providers used had any problems to help restoring the content that was bought from them let me believe that everything is ok with them or we wouldn't have got the content again.

Not sure if it's common, but for sure i won't buy again everything that has a paul markham pic, gallery or even link on it. I realy bought a lot of sites, only 1 affilate program so far, but for sure i won't go again through that shit-throwing another time and avoid your time, content, links and everything related to you like a hot potatao for sure.
I wonder how many other affilate programs are there with his content. Everybody reading that all should think about if there are not easier and cheaper solutions for content .....

Funny ass thread...

You blackmailed us exactly 3 times. 2 times you requested to have your program removed from the public shitlist and 1 time today you said that if i don't pay 3 or 5 times the full price you will post it all over the boards. 1 Time you requested the exact full price for the whole sets, means 2.200 US$ which i refused indeed. As i explained already in one of the other previous posts, all your so called re-supply offers have been knowling made a way you knew we could not agree. Furthermore you refused over weeks now to tell us what exactly is your content so it can be removed easyly and fast.

I didn't even now that there are FHGs with your content, was the very least thing i had awaited, but ok, bad luck and my mistake, no doubt.

Yes, i refused to tell you the new owner as the program itself isn't transfered completly yet neither i wanted that the new owners are confronted personally with that shit throwing they have no vault in. Meanwhile you know them anway ...

You have your tems and due your terms i admit there is a license problem that has to be solved, best with removing your content which will happen asap. IF you had us directed the last weeks as asked to the exact content it had for sure been managed already.
However, i'am not happy with your terms and i think it's not fair that you want to charge someone exactly 3 times for the same content on the very same domain on the very same affilate program. It might be your right due your terms, but i realy hope that people buying content are now aware of the way you handle such issues ...

So yes, i'am NOT willing to pay 2 times for the owner transfer to the new owner and i'am not willing to pay 5 times the full price for the use in the affilates area which i wasn't aware, that's why your content will get simply removed as soon as i know what exactly is yours....

Paul has stated many times in many threads here on GFY, that he gives his content away to almost anyone that wants it. Just look around, you might be able to legitimately use all of it, plus much more. FREE! :)

yes, that was the thread about he got that upset, lol, if we had agreed to his dictated offers we had paid so far 3 times for the same content + 5 times the price for the use on the affilates area, means about if my calculations is right 33.000 US$ for some fucking sets, lol.

All i want is to remove his content asap and to get the Chapter: "Paul Markham" closed.

Before giving Paul shit think about giving shit to whoever purchased a license agreement under those conditions. No one forced these terms on the initial buyer.

Everything is negotiable during the initial purchase transaction. Renegotiating after the fact is a totally different matter.

That is so true. Paul can make any license he wants too. I wont argue on that. And all that buys from him need to be damn sure they understand that license.

But with the stand paul has made lately, it is pretty hard not to give him a big fuck you when he comes and speaks about right and wrong when he openly supports theft himself.
I have some PM content myself and i gotta say it wasent till very recent i found out the license was to the person and NOT the domain it is used on. Even if you still need to list the domain name the content will be used on when you buy.

And i`m not alone on that understanding. I havent seen that in ANY other license ever. that the content is sold to a person and not the domain name and cant follow a sale of a site.
That is of course 100&#37; my fault as i havent read the license close enoughf.

But that was not even the point of my post.
Yes, paul is in his good right in this case, just makes me sick with that form of double standard.

Paul's tube site stance is pathetic ..... no argument there.

When the website in question was sold was there no "due diligence" done? Content and traffic are the obvious assets being purchased. For the buyer to pay for content that wasn't transferrable is a bad investment. For the seller to sell something not his, over-stating assets, might be something to ask an attorney about.

To call Paul after a server crash and expect his cooperation is wishful thinking and foolish.

Whatever the case with the buying and selling of the sites in question, is irrelevant at this stage in this matter.

Sure, Pornonada should/could have been more careful with his purchase, and he readily admits that. As they could not come to terms when trying to get the 'license' straightened out, Pornonada decided they should remove the content. At least this is the way I see that it went down.

Technically, Paul is right in this matter, but his handling of the situation was completely out of line. (Note that NONE of the other content providers for the sites in question had any problem restoring content, etc.)

Paul was unreasonable with his request to be removed from the shitlist. If all it takes is a little bit of trading/cash to get removed from a shitlist, then the shitlist means nothing.

Calling the guy a scammer and pirate was completely unfounded and a blatant lie, as the details have been discussed publicly for some time.

With as many prices and wants that Paul has requested concerning this it just shows that he is quite selective for who and how his 'license' is applied.

Can't argue with anything you posted. :2 cents:

And to think Pauls return would involve no drama... okay so i'm naive... :1orglaugh

Hey thanks man :):)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

this may be a really stupid question but when i buy content i always buy as an agent for the corporation, that legal entity owns the content licience not me personally.

IF the corporation is sold then the licience would not have changed hands (corporation 186555 would still be the owner of the liciense)
the owner of the corporation would be the liciencee.

From the sounds of what you are saying, anyone stupid enough to buy from you can never sell their program, never take on partners (since that would change the owners of the corporation) never retire and never go public.

Which pretty much makes...clueless (PM)...a rip off artist...as well as an extortionist...as well as associating his business with content thieves...now doesn't it?

look i for one don't fault him for working with the tube sites as long as they comply with DMCA request they are operating within the law

however smokincash is a corporation, it pays it affiliates from a corporate account. that corporation ownes the domains, and the entire program was bought lock stock and barrel

which means the liciencee did not change, it still the same corporation that bought the licience in the first place.

who owns the corporation which owns the licience should not matter, and based on the wording of the contract it does not.

be careful, the content might be soon on redtube or any similar site !!!!

You come to me and I ask you to send the new buyers to me so I can get them to sign the transferred license. It's that simple and I do it all the time. I might ask the new buyers of the company to make a purchase of content, often I don't bother.

Make sure when you buy a licenses it's clearly licensed to the company and not you. Make sure you obtain a copy of the license signed by the licensor and make sure you abide by all the terms in the license.

I've seen on Ask Damage some of the mis information being posted here. I will put it right.

The original license was never sold to a company, it's to an individual who does not have the license or never showed it to to Pornonada. That license allows the licensee to use it on his domains.

It is not to a corporation, it's not to domains and it clearly states it's not transferable by the licensee. Where did you get that it was sold to a corporation?

So he bought the content he can't buy, as the original buyer does not have "content" to sell, he then uses the content, he still uses the content after he knows it's not licensed to him, he breaks the original terms of the license, he never paid for the extra use of the license.

He then starts a thread to damage my business. He should of called it.

"Don't buy a license from Paul Markham because the old fool will expect you to stick to it."

I know I rub people up the wrong way. I am me take it or leave it. But please don't make posts accusing me of doing something wrong when you clearly do not know the facts. Just to emphasise the facts.

1. The original license is to a person not a company.
2. It's not to be sold or transferred by that person.
3. It was for members are use only, it's being given to affiliates.
4. Pornonada has never seen the license.
5. Pornonada has not obtained a transfer of the license to him.
6. Pornonada continued to use the content.
7. Pornonada claims he sold the company and the content again.

The license has been broken time and time again, yet I'm meant to suck it up and ignore it. And take the flaming for getting pissed off.

he didn't steal the content, so you're already wrong there. He bought a cash program and for some reason there was a misunderstanding if the license was transferable with the domain. Seems it is not, now go work it out.

Seems like you just try to make a few extra bucks real quick. why do you care if a guy named Joe owns the site or a guy named john? Explain that to me.

OK there was misunderstanding. He bought a program and was sold content that the seller did not own to sell. OK accepted at this point.

I told the seller, called Marcel, before the sale he is not allowed to sell the license. Told him on ICQ to send the new buyer to me and not too include the license in the sale. Maybe Marcel is the biggest culprit here.

When Pornonada lost the content, he did not lose it all as he has it in his affiliates are and tour, he asked me to give it to him again and rewrite the license. This was the first I heard of it. I tried to make some extra money. Shoot me down in flames.

All the time Pornonada was using it in his affiliates area which is clearly against the terms of the license and without paying for the extra use. So he was also trying to make some extra money, shoot him down in flames.

If the content is in the affiliates area it's in there in clear breech of our license. That is something I would like to be paid for, do you think that's fair?

However we only have Pornonada word he bought the license to the content and the seller lost it during the transfer, the seller lost it off his computers and the servers? Might of happened.

Maybe the seller is not the guilty party, maybe he did not sell the license on the content and never transfered it to Pornonada, except for the bits he was using in the affiliates area.

Maybe Pornonada can show us he bought the license for the content.

Did not answer this and it a very good question that covers all content providers and their clients..

Because we sell to other people and the idea of a non exclusive license is to make it profitable for us to sell it and profitable for the buyers to buy it. We need to protect our interests and the interests of other buyers.

When Marcel bought the content there never was the provision to use it in the affiliates area that was brought in to make it fair to others as we were using www.paulmarkham.com content to promote www.paulmarkhamteens.com

We did not want every program to be giving the same scenes to all their affiliates, and trust me some would if they could, so we upped the price in the full knowledge that few would pay it.

Why did we do this?

So that sponsors and affiliates are not sold or given saturated content form www.paulmarkham.com

You can't saturate content in a major niche like teens, in a members area without the content provider making a lot of money.

So to just restate. Why do we care who owns the license?

Because we want to know he will stick to it so we protect ourselves and our other clients.

Is that so bad?

Why did you ask him for 11k?

I'm kind of missing something here

Now we go over and over again the very same like on the other board.
You NEVER released and signed a license.
Why don't you just show your part of the license that was signed by Marcel??? You can't show the license the same way because you NEVER released one and you know very well that none excists which again doesn't make things any better because nobody realy knows to whom it was licensed, was it smokingcash, was it Marcel, was it Andre the other previous owner or whom? I guess you got paid from the smokincash business account, but that doesn't realy matter as there NEVER was a released license to whomever.
So while you right now claim that it was sold to a personal person and not to smokincash i could right now ask you reverse, show me the license that was signed my the previous owner (marcel) and that it's licensed ONLY to him.
I admit that i can not proof it but now can you proof it, let's say with sreenshot to whom exactly you licensed it??

because some of the content seems to be used on FHGs, the content smokincash has was bought for 2200 US$ than in the past, now he asked 5 times the price for re-licensing it for FHG usage, means 11.000 US$.

He also wants that this got paid by me and the new owners because once i bought the program some months ago and now i'am in the process of selling and transfering it again, means another charge due the calculation he presented me once while dealing.

Honestly man, I don't want to get in the middle of your battle. But, there does seem to be a lot of question marks here. And there is not solid proof that you "STOLE" anything.

If I was in your position I would stop posting and consult a lawyer as to the best way to handle this process. Paul will need to produce a signed copy of the license from the person you purchased it from, and he would need to prove that you openly stole from him, that the license was indeed made out to the owners name and not the business in itself.

Some things will never find a resolve on the boards.

Sorry this is not right. When Pornonada originally declined all my offers to resupply and re license the content he carried on using it. It's only now after he continues to flame me that I have taken it to the next level, that he decides to remove it. It's still there and for all I know still inside the site.

We always resupply content to a client who has lost it. Pornonada is not a client of ours. He's a client of Marcel who he says sold him the content.

True I tried many prices and even as little as a fee banner on Ask Damage when DamageX came in and asked me. He said he could not do it. Seems I was to do everything for free, because of sales to Marcel.

All the time Pornonada had the content in the affiliates area, it was never licensed for that. What ever the arguments about selling a license with a domain or company the license never covered affiliate use.

If the shit list is to mean something it should include a site giving unlicensed content to affiliates. A site associated with DamageX!!!

You are fucking clueless.

We work on the removal as there seems to be no chance to get this solved, so i have no other choice than posting, as i'am not a scammer and not a pirate.
I don't see any need for a lawyer, all i want is to fucking remove his content asap, as we get zero help from him pointing us which is his content and where it's used we will hire mostly removeyourcontent.com to fix that asap.

If Paul wants to make finally a reasonable offer, fine, it's all in our interest, but not with blackmailing.

I knew you couldn't resist to finally admit what your real intention is. It's to hurt DamageX because he put your affilate program in the shitlist and me because i'am a mod on this board, ironicly without even a post or comment about the shitlist entry you got than back.

It was clear before, because most of your so called offers contained the need of the "shitlist removal" of your affilate program ....