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TMM_John 03-02-2008 12:40 AM
I should point out that these templates being shown are the new "standard NATS affiliate templates" which will be included with all NATS installs. Affiliate programs will still of course have the ability to create their own templates. However, we found that many of our clients prefered to keep it simple and use what we gave them which prior to this was a very very basic set of templates.

We had assumed that most would want to fully customize their templates. We were wrong and found that the majority of our clients wanted the affiliates to be familiar with the stats pages so they kept them the same. We decided with NATS v4 to provide these much nicer templates and allow programs to simply place their logo in the header and be ready to go.

Affiliates will be able to chose their skin (template set) in the account settings section and we will recommend that programs who create a custom skin leave the standard NATS skin available for affiliates to chose if they would like. This of course is option tho we expect most if not all programs to do so.

We will also be providing this default skin a number of languages so the affiliates can have their stats areas in their native language.

WWC 03-02-2008 12:53 AM
over 50 special offers ;-)

The Ghost 03-02-2008 12:55 AM
Does the v4 have improved affiliate search in the Resellers Admin? That's something I would definitely like to see :)


Very much looking forward to the new version :thumbsup

TMM_John 03-02-2008 01:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ghost (Post 13857232)
Does the v4 have improved affiliate search in the Resellers Admin? That's something I would definitely like to see :)


Very much looking forward to the new version :thumbsup
This is a ground up rewrite and the admin is getting some significant changes also. We are just not sure yet if a visual update to the admin will come in 4.0 or 4.1 :) Please shoot me an icq or email with how you would like affiliates searchable and I will make sure it is in there.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life 03-02-2008 01:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 13856894)
John which 1/2 do I fall in, the 1/2 that isn't in the biz or the 1/2 uses fake nicks????/

If 100% of the people here are fake nicks or not in the biz at all why are you spamming your Nats stuff here ???

You keep making posts that you don't want to discuss this here.... but you have no problem discussing " Final Special Offers from Nats". No one is asking you to "discuss" anything. You haven't posted on this board much at all for over 2 months, you pop back up after all the drama not to give us an update but to try to sell more licenses. No one was trying to debate with you what has happened in the past, we were just asking if there had been any updates. Giving an update is not asking for a discussion, its simply asking for an update. And why you keep saying contact you directly to ask you these questions... that makes no sense, why not address all the questions here first. After what happened you think your first post back on here after a while would be to let everyone know how you working with the authorities or lawyers or whatever you were saying, is going, not to make an announcement about a special offer.

I know I know, just contact you and you will answer my questions. :upsidedow
Why do you even give a fuck Will ?

Are you using NATS ?

Why not just hit John up and ask him directly ?

Oh yeah i forgot this is GFY.

GrouchyAdmin 03-02-2008 01:37 AM
I wouldn't mind going through a 'technology preview', as a third party VA...wait, I'm not a VAR, what the hell am I? Asshole, yes.. but in regards to NATS, specifically.

It's pretty! :thumbsup

pocketkangaroo 03-02-2008 02:08 AM
One thing I'd like is "Sales by Country" on the affiliate end. Some of us redirect traffic by countries, buy traffic from specific countries, etc. It helps to know how that traffic does via country. If that could be added (optional for affiliate programs to turn on or off), it would be great.

GrouchyAdmin 03-02-2008 02:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13857329)
One thing I'd like is "Sales by Country" on the affiliate end. Some of us redirect traffic by countries, buy traffic from specific countries, etc. It helps to know how that traffic does via country. If that could be added (optional for affiliate programs to turn on or off), it would be great.
This is kind of something that you need to take up with your biller.

Due to the portability of IP addresses, and the fact that NATS doesn't actually do anything with the IP but pass it to the biller, and record it, that's probably not gonna happen in NATS.

borked 03-02-2008 02:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin (Post 13857337)
This is kind of something that you need to take up with your biller.

Due to the portability of IP addresses, and the fact that NATS doesn't actually do anything with the IP but pass it to the biller, and record it, that's probably not gonna happen in NATS.
But something like this needs to be addressed if it hasn't - with the ever-growing number of billers using geo-ip technology for billing in native currencies, the US$ equivalent showing in stats is confusing for affiliates using revshare because it changes from day-to-day.

Something as simple as putting an asterisk next to a sale to highlight it was a non-US$ sale would be helpful.
:2 cents:

borked 03-02-2008 02:57 AM
John,

Does NATS4 allow for deep link tracking? If not is there a nice solid API for program owners to plug into?

GrouchyAdmin 03-02-2008 03:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by borked (Post 13857375)
But something like this needs to be addressed if it hasn't - with the ever-growing number of billers using geo-ip technology for billing in native currencies, the US$ equivalent showing in stats is confusing for affiliates using revshare because it changes from day-to-day.

Something as simple as putting an asterisk next to a sale to highlight it was a non-US$ sale would be helpful.
:2 cents:
That would be useful, I agree.

NATS stores the IP address as a large numeric number, rather than the dotted quad, natively, so given the IP-to-country or a MaxMind database, it may be technically possible (easier this way); I am just stating that I don't know if it would be very feasible.

Thurbs 03-02-2008 03:13 AM
while I really like the way some of these things are going .. what kind of DB straign will all this Geographic Information put on NATS servers? Seems to be alot of information to poll and put together on every stats view

can I shoot over some suggestions for the Admin Overview / Resellers Admin areas????

Terrence

ladida 03-02-2008 06:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 13856785)
Uncool to ask for an update? :upsidedow
In a thread like this yea. Should have started new thread :)
Quote:
SO you are saying that the people who pulled this off is smarter than NATS and beyond being caught ???
Yes. Not smarter, way more knowledgable.

jpv 03-02-2008 08:03 AM
Will geo targeted pricing be available? I want to send my euro traffic to higher priced join pages in epoch, ccbill and any other biller in the cascade. All US and other traffic can be sent to the normal priced join pages in epoch, ccbill and any other biller in the cascade.

will76 03-02-2008 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Batts (Post 13857291)
Why do you even give a fuck Will ?

Are you using NATS ?

Why not just hit John up and ask him directly ?

Oh yeah i forgot this is GFY.
I guess you missed where I said I signed up to SEVERAL programs that use nats, my email and info was compromised, that is why I care.

Better question for you, why do you care? You are not even in this industry.

Are you trying to tell me that affiliate's private info doesn't matter ?

notoldschool 03-02-2008 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 13857860)
I guess you missed where I said I signed up to SEVERAL programs that use nats, my email and info was compromised, that is why I care.

Better question for you, why do you care? You are not even in this industry.

Are you trying to tell me that affiliate's private info doesn't matter ?
Give me a break. The only thing you want is to get on your soap box and act important. Nobody wants your shitty email address. If you havent figured it out by now that your email address is not hidden on the internet you need to get the fuck out of this biz. This shit happens all the time with MUCH larger mainstream databases and goes unnoticed or unfixed. Nats corrected the situation and anyone with a program worth a salt has allready secured their info. And beleive me the ip fix works. Start another thread why dont you. You have to try to ruin a real biz thread which holds more value than anything you have posted lately.

will76 03-02-2008 09:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13857908)
Give me a break. The only thing you want is to get on your soap box and act important. Nobody wants your shitty email address. If you havent figured it out by now that your email address is not hidden on the internet you need to get the fuck out of this biz. This shit happens all the time with MUCH larger mainstream databases and goes unnoticed or unfixed. Nats corrected the situation and anyone with a program worth a salt has allready secured their info. And beleive me the ip fix works. Start another thread why dont you. You have to try to ruin a real biz thread which holds more value than anything you have posted lately.
you are right, no one wanted the email addresses, that is why they went through the trouble to do something illegal to collect email addresses for months. So what did they want if they didn't want my email address, why did they do it then ?

TMM_John 03-02-2008 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13857329)
One thing I'd like is "Sales by Country" on the affiliate end. Some of us redirect traffic by countries, buy traffic from specific countries, etc. It helps to know how that traffic does via country. If that could be added (optional for affiliate programs to turn on or off), it would be great.
Not sure if you missed it or if I am misunderstanding you. If I am please let me know.

Take a peak at post #50 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...2&postcount=50

That is an affiliate report breaking everything down by country. You can see and/or limit your statistics by country. It will show you everything based on country including hits, join page hits, join page submits, referring URLs, joins, rebills, profit, etc.

You can use campaign to make even more use out of it. Say you buy a German and a UK traffic source. You can point each one at a campaign and see in fact what country the hits for those buys are coming from and how the different countries are performing for each of those campaigns. You can also see which sites or tours are doing better for countries, etc.

If I totally misunderstood you just let me know and I'll try to answer what you meant :)

TMM_John 03-02-2008 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin (Post 13857337)
This is kind of something that you need to take up with your biller.

Due to the portability of IP addresses, and the fact that NATS doesn't actually do anything with the IP but pass it to the biller, and record it, that's probably not gonna happen in NATS.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin (Post 13857415)
That would be useful, I agree.

NATS stores the IP address as a large numeric number, rather than the dotted quad, natively, so given the IP-to-country or a MaxMind database, it may be technically possible (easier this way); I am just stating that I don't know if it would be very feasible.
GA I know you know NATS v3 very well but NATS v4 is a ground up rewrite that does many things NATS v3 doesn't do and does many things it does even better.

NATS v4 has full country tracking (a database such as MaxMind is required of course) :)

TMM_John 03-02-2008 11:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by borked (Post 13857383)
John,

Does NATS4 allow for deep link tracking? If not is there a nice solid API for program owners to plug into?
I'm assuming you mean the ability to link to any page of the tour? NATS v3 allows you to link to the join page if you'd like. Linking to any tour page is something we are playing with in v4. It may or may not make the initial release but we are trying :) If you mean something else please let me know.

TMM_John 03-02-2008 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thurbs - NichedSites (Post 13857427)
while I really like the way some of these things are going .. what kind of DB straign will all this Geographic Information put on NATS servers? Seems to be alot of information to poll and put together on every stats view

can I shoot over some suggestions for the Admin Overview / Resellers Admin areas????

Terrence
The DB has been totally redone, we fully expect it to be more efficient and have more detailed data :)

I would love for you to shoot over some suggestions. E-Mail would be best, albright[]toomuchmedia.com

TMM_John 03-02-2008 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpv (Post 13857757)
Will geo targeted pricing be available? I want to send my euro traffic to higher priced join pages in epoch, ccbill and any other biller in the cascade. All US and other traffic can be sent to the normal priced join pages in epoch, ccbill and any other biller in the cascade.
I believe this is something uou can achieve this on an admin level in NATS v3 by setting up mulitple cascades and geo-targetting them. The techs can help you set this up if you would like. I don't know if this is something we want to allow on an affiliate level however. (I believe you meant on the admin level tho)

borked 03-02-2008 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13858156)
I'm assuming you mean the ability to link to any page of the tour? NATS v3 allows you to link to the join page if you'd like. Linking to any tour page is something we are playing with in v4. It may or may not make the initial release but we are trying :) If you mean something else please let me know.
Yes, linking to any page - why does it have to be a tour? Sites can use NATS without being a paysite...
Just some simple API allowing programmers to put that deep-linked hit back into NATS in a painless NATS-way would be sufficient. Sure it's possible now, but a less painful-method, documented way would be cool.

jpv 03-02-2008 05:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13858168)
I believe this is something uou can achieve this on an admin level in NATS v3 by setting up mulitple cascades and geo-targetting them. The techs can help you set this up if you would like. I don't know if this is something we want to allow on an affiliate level however. (I believe you meant on the admin level tho)
Yes on the admin level. I talked to the techs and they said it was not possible the way I wanted it. Each cascade could not include the same processor account with a different pricing/product code.

check it out... 169-234-59

If you can set it up the way I described it then this would be huge for you John. Everyone using your software can earn 10-20% more.

TMM_John 03-02-2008 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpv (Post 13859263)
Yes on the admin level. I talked to the techs and they said it was not possible the way I wanted it. Each cascade could not include the same processor account with a different pricing/product code.

check it out... 169-234-59

If you can set it up the way I described it then this would be huge for you John. Everyone using your software can earn 10-20&#37; more.
Yeah, it wouldn't be very straight forward, It would need some playing around with to do it. Possibly duplicating sites or something. I will review the ticket and speak with the guys tomorrow tho. Something that should almost defiantly be doable in 4 if it isn't now. But going to try to find a way to do it for you now in 3.

Jace 03-02-2008 05:21 PM
bump for john!

jpv 03-02-2008 05:22 PM
great. thanks

kristin 03-02-2008 06:02 PM
Please tell me that means you can edit the campaign names ... I know, something really stupid, but I admit I'm anal and want them spelled right.

GrouchyAdmin 03-02-2008 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13858151)
GA I know you know NATS v3 very well but NATS v4 is a ground up rewrite that does many things NATS v3 doesn't do and does many things it does even better.

NATS v4 has full country tracking (a database such as MaxMind is required of course) :)
Thank god.

Please tell me that the whole 'shortname' BS is finally gone, and you can have the same gateway in a cascade for different accounts, finally.

pocketkangaroo 03-02-2008 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13858142)
Not sure if you missed it or if I am misunderstanding you. If I am please let me know.

Take a peak at post #50 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...2&postcount=50

That is an affiliate report breaking everything down by country. You can see and/or limit your statistics by country. It will show you everything based on country including hits, join page hits, join page submits, referring URLs, joins, rebills, profit, etc.

You can use campaign to make even more use out of it. Say you buy a German and a UK traffic source. You can point each one at a campaign and see in fact what country the hits for those buys are coming from and how the different countries are performing for each of those campaigns. You can also see which sites or tours are doing better for countries, etc.

If I totally misunderstood you just let me know and I'll try to answer what you meant :)
Sorry, I read it too fast and didn't realize this was something affiliates could see too. It's a great feature and will help guys like me who do a lot of advertising based on country.

pocketkangaroo 03-02-2008 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kristin (Post 13859403)
Please tell me that means you can edit the campaign names ... I know, something really stupid, but I admit I'm anal and want them spelled right.
LOL I'm the same way. I was also hoping you could delete campaigns (maybe it goes into a category called "deleted campaigns"). I'm also anal and sometimes I've got 40-50 campaigns running in a NATS account and only using 2 or 3 now.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life 03-02-2008 06:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13857908)
Give me a break. The only thing you want is to get on your soap box and act important. Nobody wants your shitty email address. If you havent figured it out by now that your email address is not hidden on the internet you need to get the fuck out of this biz. This shit happens all the time with MUCH larger mainstream databases and goes unnoticed or unfixed. Nats corrected the situation and anyone with a program worth a salt has allready secured their info. And beleive me the ip fix works. Start another thread why dont you. You have to try to ruin a real biz thread which holds more value than anything you have posted lately.
Exactly.:thumbsup

TMM_John 03-02-2008 06:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kristin (Post 13859403)
Please tell me that means you can edit the campaign names ... I know, something really stupid, but I admit I'm anal and want them spelled right.
Yep, you can :)

TMM_John 03-02-2008 06:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin (Post 13859408)
Thank god.

Please tell me that the whole 'shortname' BS is finally gone, and you can have the same gateway in a cascade for different accounts, finally.
Not sure exactly what you mean here. Can you explain more?

TMM_John 03-02-2008 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13859415)
Sorry, I read it too fast and didn't realize this was something affiliates could see too. It's a great feature and will help guys like me who do a lot of advertising based on country.
No problem. There will be a whole lot more data for affiliates to use to optimize their traffic with programs running NATS.

TMM_John 03-02-2008 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13859421)
LOL I'm the same way. I was also hoping you could delete campaigns (maybe it goes into a category called "deleted campaigns"). I'm also anal and sometimes I've got 40-50 campaigns running in a NATS account and only using 2 or 3 now.
You will be able to "delete" campaigns which will roll them into default.

TMM_John 03-02-2008 06:33 PM
A few more quick screen shots. Again, these are from the area affiliates see & use. This is not the admin, as with the screenshots posted before this is what you will get as an affiliate of a NATS program running v4. These are also not 100&#37; cleaned up yet and there are still some issues such as the encoding of the referring URL. These will of course be fixed prior to release.

Clicking on a join count anywhere in stats will bring you to the join details page. This will give you a listing of the details for those joins. If you click on the "5" for the 5 sales you did on a day you will get details of those 5 joins. If you click on the "70" joins you did during a period you will get details of those 70 joins.
http://www.teendolls.com/nats4/joins.jpg

Clicking on one of the specific joins in that list will bring you to a page showing the details for that join/member. Here you can see even more details about the join as well as all of the transactions for that particular subscription. IP address will be added to this and possibly the listing above. We will be giving individual programs the option to turn off the IPs tho we don't see many of them doing it.
http://www.teendolls.com/nats4/joindetail.jpg

GrouchyAdmin 03-02-2008 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13859443)
Not sure exactly what you mean here. Can you explain more?
Currently, with NATS 3, if you have multiple 'short name' billers in the same cascade which share the same name (same function/biller) (not a 'switch to' cascade), it shits itself.

TMM_John 03-02-2008 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin (Post 13859486)
Currently, with NATS 3, if you have multiple 'short name' billers in the same cascade which share the same name (same function/biller) (not a 'switch to' cascade), it shits itself.
Shoot me an ICQ tomorrow during the day when I'm at the office and I'll get with you and Boris on it to sort it out.

TMM_John 03-02-2008 06:40 PM
Also, something else that will change before production on the join details for affiliates is the subscription ID display. I'm sure most program owners would not want an affiliate to have an idea of their join volume. This will be represented in a different, non-sequential way.

GrouchyAdmin 03-02-2008 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13859494)
Shoot me an ICQ tomorrow during the day when I'm at the office and I'll get with you and Boris on it to sort it out.
This was one of the many things Boris and I have discussed that end up as 'will not fix.'

I do need to talk to Boris or Rob about the changes to Jettis, though. It's doing wrong things again. :thumbsup

TMM_John 03-02-2008 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin (Post 13859503)
This was one of the many things Boris and I have discussed that end up as 'will not fix.'

I do need to talk to Boris or Rob about the changes to Jettis, though. It's doing wrong things again. :thumbsup
Just let me know what you need. :)

GrouchyAdmin 03-02-2008 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13859534)
Just let me know what you need. :)
This is basically tech code for 'Will be addressed' in V4; for V3 the workaround is to switch cascades. It just gets a bit monotonous to do so; it's hardly a showstopper.

Edit: And Jettis is.. likely Jettis, as the usual.

Eric 03-03-2008 12:37 PM
Will,

This is your one and only warning. Contact John directly to get the info you want. If you keep hijacking threads to bring up the same BS that has already been answered you will be banned.

ONE and ONLY warning. No discussion.

charlieb 03-04-2008 11:11 AM
Bump :thumbsup

NETbilling 03-04-2008 11:26 AM
Very nice John! Looks like you are adding some great new features.

Congrats!

Mitch

Wiseman 03-04-2008 12:20 PM
MAn these are all awesome Idea's.


SEE SIG!

will76 03-04-2008 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 13862523)
Will,

This is your one and only warning. Contact John directly to get the info you want. If you keep hijacking threads to bring up the same BS that has already been answered you will be banned.

ONE and ONLY warning. No discussion.
Eric, you might as well ban me then. I didn't "bring up the same BS that has already been answerd" show me 1 thread in the last 2 months where John gave an update if the people or person behind the hack was caught and/or how the investigation was going. Where did I once debate what happened or if the problem was still going on, I WAS ONLY ASKING FOR AN UPDATE. I don't know why John couldn't just answer with out all the bullshit.

Ok, so i am wrong for posting in his thread asking for the update, next time I will make a new thread. Either way I am an asshole for asking. Never mind that it affected me and 10000's of other people on this site, many of which I am sure would have liked to hear an update as well.

brand0n 03-04-2008 01:50 PM
lol
looks like you took all the best features quickbuck has been using for some time now and added them to nats.

smart move. =]

TMM_John 03-09-2008 02:34 PM
*bump* only about a week left to take advantage of this.


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