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tony286 03-03-2008 12:33 PM
John, you really should think about hiring a PR person, I ve heard people say really nice things about you. You come across awful on this board.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-03-2008 12:42 PM
I Invented Donations.

BradM 03-03-2008 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13862515)
John, you really should think about hiring a PR person, I ve heard people say really nice things about you. You come across awful on this board.
If tony404 says it, it's pretty much true.

John - why are you so angry?

tony286 03-03-2008 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradM (Post 13862557)
If tony404 says it, it's pretty much true.

John - why are you so angry?
If you dont like me,then put me on ignore.I dont bust your balls please have the courtesy not to bust mine.

papill0n 03-03-2008 01:02 PM
Don't think Brad was busting your balls Tony :thumbsup

tony286 03-03-2008 01:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben (Post 13862644)
Don't think Brad was busting your balls Tony :thumbsup
He has already stated before he doesnt like me and thats fine. Then ignore me.

papill0n 03-03-2008 01:05 PM
I am with will on this one. No need to have to chase monies owed. That shit is not cool.

Dollarmansteve 03-03-2008 01:10 PM
as far as I can tell from observation, will76 spends the vast majority of his time either being a crusader for the lastest industry "cause" or looking for / manufacturing the next 'cause' as some weird kind of narcissistic ego masturbation.

I assume this is mixed in with various webmastery type activities, like referralmatrix. The term 'self-righteous sigwhore zealot' comes to mind but is perhaps a little harsh.

papill0n 03-03-2008 01:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13862647)
He has already stated before he doesnt like me and thats fine. Then ignore me.
Oh ok my bad then. Still early for me :(

BradM 03-03-2008 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13862647)
He has already stated before he doesnt like me and thats fine. Then ignore me.
What are you talking about asshole? I was giving you a compliment. Get fucked.

tony286 03-03-2008 02:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradM (Post 13862898)
What are you talking about asshole? I was giving you a compliment. Get fucked.
Like I said you dont like me ignore me.

BradM 03-03-2008 02:11 PM
Good idea idiot.

tony286 03-03-2008 02:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradM (Post 13862929)
Good idea idiot.
Thank you

D 03-03-2008 02:14 PM
I like triangles.

CurrentlySober 03-03-2008 02:19 PM
i like poo

CDSmith 03-03-2008 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13862037)
Will is an asshole. He could have just as easily have called me or ICQ'd me to say "Hey, John what happened with that donation?", and he would have gotten the same answer that was posted here. But he had to make a drama thread on GFY about it.
Not trying to be an asshole, but by that same token you could have just as easily kept Will apprised of your plans to make a future donation. Then there would have been no need for a drama thread.

Communication people. Some are better at it than others, and it's obviously a vital skill in any business. :2 cents:

lazycash 03-03-2008 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradM (Post 13862272)
John has come off many times here as a REALLY REALLY REALLY angry guy.

Sort of weird behavior from him on a regular basis. I don't know him, never talked to him and have nothing against him. I just see him going COMPLETELY off the handle and deep end a lot here.
I never viewed his responses as angry, but more just egotistical and full of stubborn pride. Between the big security issue and this instance, all he had to do was humbly come out from the beginning, apologize, admit that mistakes were made and they won't happen again. Instead he likes to point the finger at someone else and his antagonistic remarks end of exacerbating the situation rather than diffusing it. He definitely needs to alter his behavior or get someone else to handle public relations.

sexykat 03-03-2008 02:46 PM
I think the donation could easily be made without the excuses.. as they say:

"When there is a will, there is a way"

BVF 03-03-2008 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 13862670)
as far as I can tell from observation, will76 spends the vast majority of his time either being a crusader for the lastest industry "cause" or looking for / manufacturing the next 'cause' as some weird kind of narcissistic ego masturbation.

I assume this is mixed in with various webmastery type activities, like referralmatrix. The term 'self-righteous sigwhore zealot' comes to mind but is perhaps a little harsh.
If you don't fuck up, you won't get called out....

Period...

will76 03-03-2008 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13862352)
No, thats completely off base.

Will won a contest and decided to donate his prize to the charity. No money was collected. This was roughly 10 days before the holiday the donation was for.

Charlie, who handles all of our finances was out of town at that point until after the new year and we were going through a bit of an issue that had me very tied up to say the least.

As the days ticked off and I realized it was only a few days to the holiday I asked Michelle to contact WMTR and let them know we would make the donation for the following season. Apparently that didn't happen.

No one collected money on behalf of a charity and stole it. No one ever intended not to make any donation. Things just simply couldn't happen in a few days with what was going on.

Actually John, that is not entirely true. I won your contest. The money was mine. You kept MY money and it was suppose to be sent to webmaster toy run. I *trusted* you to make a prompt payment to get in for thiat year (2007) Even if you were late it still should have been sent. Keep in mind, if you would have paid out on your contest that was held in JULY back when the contest ended this wouldn't have been an issue. If i would have asked for payment you wouldn't have put me off for months you would have paid me.

You made the announcement that I won and I was donating the money on 12-13-07 . It takes 5 minutes to make the donation. I don't care if your finance guy was out of town or not. It's only $1500, you cant make that from your own personal account??? You can't call the finance guy and ask him to do it? What's the matter John you don't know your own business checking account info or they don't allow you access to a check book. Sorry the whole " the finance guy was out of town" bullshit might fly for a corperate 500 company, but not for an owner of NATS. It is TOTAL BULLSHIT EXCUSE.

will76 03-03-2008 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 13862670)
as far as I can tell from observation, will76 spends the vast majority of his time either being a crusader for the lastest industry "cause" or looking for / manufacturing the next 'cause' as some weird kind of narcissistic ego masturbation.

I assume this is mixed in with various webmastery type activities, like referralmatrix. The term 'self-righteous sigwhore zealot' comes to mind but is perhaps a little harsh.

Yeah you right. I won a contest. I asked for the money to be dontated, the money was not donated. 3 months go by I make post asking for the person to make the donation.


Nothing gets past you, your observations are dead on. :upsidedow

Stolen content, fraud, and spyware " industy causes' that people should be termed " self-rightous" for taking up those causes and fighting against those things. :warning

baddog 03-03-2008 04:21 PM
While it is no secret that there is no love lost between Will and I, it is pretty clear that John pretty well fucked up on the handling of this entire issue; from the missing donation to his outing of himself in this thread.

FYI: John, I run a PR company, my rates are reasonable.

CyberHustler 03-03-2008 04:26 PM
March madness...

BradM 03-03-2008 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 13863730)
FYI: John, I run a PR company, my rates are reasonable.
Good advice. May want to consider this John.

will76 03-03-2008 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 13863730)
While it is no secret that there is no love lost between Will and I, it is pretty clear that John pretty well fucked up on the handling of this entire issue; from the missing donation to his outing of himself in this thread.

FYI: John, I run a PR company, my rates are reasonable.
No No, in John's world he did nothing wrong. He was simply " too busy" to make the donation. And then even if he wasn't "too busy" he couldn't have made the donation because the finance guy was out of town. No way money could be sent when the finance guy is out of town (the finance guy must lock up the paypal, epass, checks, checking account etc.. when he goes out of town.)

In John's world because I am asking for clarification here to make sure the donation was made 3 months later, that makes me an asshole. I am the asshole, John did nothing wrong. :upsidedow

John the amount of time you spent replying in this thread you could have made the donation. I am pretty sure they accept them year round.

And sorry for disturbing you John, I know you are a busy man.

Dennis Rodman 03-03-2008 04:29 PM
PBJohn is a fucking retard. :1orglaugh What a fucking moron.

Jdoughs 03-03-2008 04:34 PM
Contest was in July or June, this is 9 Months later, there isnt a whole lot more to say is there.

TMM_John 03-03-2008 04:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 13863730)
While it is no secret that there is no love lost between Will and I, it is pretty clear that John pretty well fucked up on the handling of this entire issue; from the missing donation to his outing of himself in this thread.

FYI: John, I run a PR company, my rates are reasonable.
If will didn't have a history of looking to stir shit with me and hadn't just done it a day earlier he wouldn't have gotten that response. I'm not here to kiss everyone's ass. If someone is an asshole I have no problem saying they're an asshole. I'm not going to pretend to love everyone on a message board. I'm sure that has cost TMM some clients but it has also gained some. I'm going to be honest about if I like them and honest if I don't. If it was someone else it would have been replied to different. My opinion of will stands as it was.

It's great to see all the trolls coming out. Is this place even an industry board anymore?

The donation will be made as it was always going to be made.

NosMo 03-03-2008 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13863826)
If will didn't have a history of looking to stir shit with me and hadn't just done it a day earlier he wouldn't have gotten that response. I'm not here to kiss everyone's ass. If someone is an asshole I have no problem saying they're an asshole. I'm not going to pretend to love everyone on a message board. I'm sure that has cost TMM some clients but it has also gained some. I'm going to be honest about if I like them and honest if I don't. If it was someone else it would have been replied to different. My opinion of will stands as it was.

It's great to see all the trolls coming out. Is this place even an industry board anymore?

The donation will be made as it was always going to be made.
Proof is in the pudding as they say....


NosMo

Dennis Rodman 03-03-2008 04:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NosMo (Post 13863853)
Proof is in the pudding as they say....


NosMo
Make the fucking donation, you fucking deadbeat, and post proof.

Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-03-2008 04:40 PM
PB Jonh you are such an idiot

:1orglaugh

CyberHustler 03-03-2008 04:41 PM
Ever smelled smegma?

Dennis Rodman 03-03-2008 04:42 PM
Pay your fucking bills.

will76 03-03-2008 04:42 PM
Incase anyone is wondering what this is all about here is a time line:

7/4/2007 John makes a post on his message board:

Quote:
Originally Posted by TMM_John
$1000 to the best Business thread for July!

This business forum is for business topics. General conversation should be kept in the Off-Topic forum.

On August 1st, TMM will vote on the best business thread of July and we'll award the topic starter $1000.
8/15/2007 (after several people make post asking who the winner is, John replies:

Quote:
Originally Posted by TMM_John
We will have the winner for this chosen soon.
10/16/2007 After 2 months go by and more posts are made asking for a winner, john makes this post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by TMM_John
Thanks for the reminder on this BA, we'll be going over it tomorrow.

on 12/9/2007 STILL NO Winner announced: I make the following post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will76
2 months ago it would be " tomorrow ".


Whats going on guys? The contest was for posts made in July, it is Dec now and no winner has been announced. I am not posting this because I am hoping to win, you can disqualify me from the competition (I know posts like this wouldn't earn me any points anyway lol.) .

The reason why I am posting about this is because I think it is shitty that you didn't follow through with this. It certaintly didn't help the site any. Even though you didn't get many entries into the contest, if you would have followed through with it promptly it would have gotten the attention of others and you would have gotten new people over here. Instead it shows a lack of committment by your part to build the site and i am sure people like myself said the hell with it, If they going to give a shit about the site why should we post there then. I ran a contest a few months ago for $500. I had a small response and to be honest it sucked but I still gave away the money.

Also as an advertiser at the time I spent money based on the fact the site would be at least trying to grow, not be a 1 month wonder.

I know this site is on the bottom of the priority list, but after 5 months don't keep saying you "we forgot about it", it is apparent you felt the contest didn't yield the results you wanted and you just don't want to pay the money.

/Rant
John makes the following thread:

12/13/07

Quote:
Originally Posted by TMM_John
Finally! A winner!

We're finally going to announce a winner from our long overdue thread contest.
Will76 for his thread here: http://www.xxxxxxxxxxx
We have spoken with Will and he has graciously decided to donate the winnings
to the Webmaster Toy Run!
Thanks Will!

Due to our being so late in getting this taken care of and our happiness of what Will has decided to do we will be adding another $500 to the amount for a total donation of $1500!

Its long over due but in the end I think it worked out for the best as those getting the money truly need it the most!
Now fast forward to 3/3/2008 and the dontation has not been made.

So John starts a contest for JULY, is suppose to announce a winner on August 1st, 5 months later he finally announces a winner after several people keep posting about. Then he says he will send the money I won to the Webmaster Toy Run for christmas, and 3 months later I have no update, and the money was not sent. 8 months on a contest and the money still hasn't left his pocket. And I am the asshole for pointing this out. GFY, too much.

TMM_John 03-03-2008 04:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet (Post 13863871)
PB Jonh you are such an idiot

:1orglaugh
And you do what in this business again?

baddog 03-03-2008 04:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13863826)
If will didn't have a history of looking to stir shit with me and hadn't just done it a day earlier he wouldn't have gotten that response. I'm not here to kiss everyone's ass. If someone is an asshole I have no problem saying they're an asshole. I'm not going to pretend to love everyone on a message board. I'm sure that has cost TMM some clients but it has also gained some. I'm going to be honest about if I like them and honest if I don't. If it was someone else it would have been replied to different. My opinion of will stands as it was.

It's great to see all the trolls coming out. Is this place even an industry board anymore?

The donation will be made as it was always going to be made.
Well, as stated by several, no one mentioned your name until you did. If there is any grief as a result of this thread it is certainly self inflicted.

TMM_John 03-03-2008 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 13863888)
Well, as stated by several, no one mentioned your name until you did. If there is any grief as a result of this thread it is certainly self inflicted.
Yes, because I have no problem saying it wasn't sent and why. The problem I have is people coming here to look for attention instead of taking 30 seconds to just ask about it. He has my icq, he's icq'd me today actually, he could have simply asked me and he would have gotten the answer. He's just looking for more attention tho. Seems to be all he does.

I know you're trying to be constructive and I appreciate it. I have no desire to attempt to "be nice" to will tho. This is not the first time he's gone off on things and gone about them wrong.

will76 03-03-2008 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13863826)
If will didn't have a history of looking to stir shit with me and hadn't just done it a day earlier he wouldn't have gotten that response. .

Oh so because I asked if you had an update about the NATS security issues and if there was any leads on the case or if the people were caught that = stiring shit with you? It was simple question.

But typical John just like in this thread, i asked a simple question, no drama was needed, John you could have replied to my questions about an update by saying " no we haven't caught the guy, there is nothing new to report" and I wouldn't replied again. It was a simple question, you turned into an arguement.

Ok all of that aside, what does me "stiring shit" with you a couple days have to do with you not making a donation that was suppose to be made 3 months ago ????????????????????? :upsidedow

CyberHustler 03-03-2008 04:49 PM
Lol, looks like home boy got nervous and attacked like a mouse in a corner when nobody even said his name yet.

I say yet because somebody would have eventually mentioned it.


hmm... maybe a 5 pager?

Fap 03-03-2008 04:50 PM
maybe it was me?!


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