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TampaToker 03-04-2008 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13871567)
I don't quite feel right addressing this as Will can't reply to it. But I wanted to respond to this.

Reread the original thread. He is the one who started to get nasty. His first post even stated things like "and I know I am violating a bro rule" and "So is it still 'on going' or is it just 'forget and move on' time."

My first response back to him was simply "If someone wants to discuss that they're more than welcome to contact me.". Not looking to be rude or nasty. Just a simple straight forward reply. I'm tired of having discussions here where random trolls jump into it with nonsense. However as I have stated many times I'm more than happy to discuss it with anyone.

Then he comes back with


All I had said was to contact me about. Not that he was an asshole or any of this other stuff.

Its at this point I put him on ignore.

He has been making comments about my companies a number of times over the past few months. He has a history of picking targets and making his crusade against them. What got him thinking we should be his next crusade I have no idea, but it was becoming quite obvious to me.

After I put him on ignore a few other people expressed interest in it so I decided to give a basic answer and if anyone wanted any more details to feel free to contact me. A few did and I discussed it with them.

Will then decides to keep going off in the thread about the same thing over and over again. His question was already answered at this point. However I don't reply to him as I don't see a point in fighting with him over it. I didn't attack him when he came in the thread. I simply pointed out to contact me about it.

Apparently I pissed Will of by putting him on ignore here on this board so I could avoid reading his constant repeating of the same thing and focus on the reason we started the thread, a special offer and getting feedback on the upcoming release of a major product in this industry.

This seemed to spur him to create a thread the next day anonymously calling me out about a charity donation being late. This was a mistake on our part. No question about it. I never denied that, I simply believed he was wrong how he went about it. I truly believe that if the original thread didn't happen this thread wouldn't have been created. He could have ICQ'd me, but because he was angry he decided to make a threating thread here about it. This seems spiteful to me. This is a donation, and again, we dropped the ball on being late with it, but it is still something that shouldn't be used to create drama here because he was aggravated in a thread the day before.

Now this new thread continues to go on and on. Eric warned him multiple times to just resolve the issue and move on. He refused to do so. Even creating more threads about the entire situation after the fact.

Again, I feel a bit odd posting this with Will not here and Eric if you'd like to unban him I have no objection to it at all. However, I do feel that Will was the one out of line here. He has made a pattern of making off base comments about my companies the past few months, he jumped into a thread here with something that could have been handled separately or even privately, and he continued to carry on about it after several warnings from the person who runs this board. And believe me, Eric warned me to not go back at him also, several times, and I didn't. He wasn't playing favors, he was being fair across the board.

Will was the one who was wrong here, not myself. The only thing I was wrong on was dropping the ball with the timeliness of the donation to WMTR, which I have never denied.

Also, while speaking about Eric. We haven't bought advertising here in a long time. He isn't playing favors to someone buying ads. Those calling into question his integrity over that are way way off.
John, when has will attacked you in the past ???

segpay / nats stuff when he said he had concerns that a lot of the people at segpay were ex ibill ? he didn't attack you either. find the posts please.

because you acted like a jack ass with the whole nats security breach, i think he said a couple things when you were acting like an idiot.

because you took 8 months to pay off a contest and he made a post about it, but didn't even name you?

because he asked for an update on how the nats investigation was going. sure sounds like he attacked you a lot for no reason john.

TMM_John 03-04-2008 10:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 13871689)
John, when has will attacked you in the past ???

segpay / nats stuff when he said he had concerns that a lot of the people at segpay were ex ibill ? he didn't attack you either. find the posts please.

because you acted like a jack ass with the whole nats security breach, i think he said a couple things when you were acting like an idiot.

because you took 8 months to pay off a contest and he made a post about it, but didn't even name you?

because he asked for an update on how the nats investigation was going. sure sounds like he attacked you a lot for no reason john.
I'm not going to sit here and search for his postings, the search here is not exactly the most effective. You said in your post he said a couple things. He's said more than a couple.

I'm sorry you feel I'm a "jack ass" and an "idiot". You've made it clear you didn't like the handling of the security issue a number of times.

It didn't take 8 months to pay. It took a few months to finally pick a winner, and then the ball was dropped on getting the check out. There were never any ill intentions or "lies" about it as he accused me of. It doesn't matter if the post named us or not. It was the intent of the post. It came from his being pissed off as was explained above.

And again, as above, my reply to him when he asked about it was polite and direct. He just didn't like the answer so he went off.

You're not adding anything new here, you're just rehashing the same points which have been addressed already.

»Rob Content« 03-04-2008 11:36 PM
I'm speechless.

This is top notch bro'ing at it's best.

This board is headed to being sig whores trolls and ad buyers rather fast.

2012 03-04-2008 11:44 PM
i farted ...

»Rob Content« 03-04-2008 11:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 13869421)
I am not going to ban you, but you are wearing my patience very very thin. I asked you to chill out on the issue. We even discussed your issues with Damian over ICQ and I handled that for you, based on his breaking GFY rules.

You just can't seem figure out when you should SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Keep pushing me Will. I haven't banned you because I think you do provide good info. But you are pushing my patience.
If rules are actually being enforced Damien or Damian was back posting 10 mins after his ban on another nick. Don't rules say that should be banned as well?

Sambo is the name

Pleasurepays 03-05-2008 12:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VG.Content (Post 13871844)
I'm speechless.

This is top notch bro'ing at it's best.

This board is headed to being sig whores trolls and ad buyers rather fast.
yeah but... trolls, sig whores and post/contest bots get the most page views.

deanberkeley 03-05-2008 12:10 AM
Damn, Will got banned? He seemed like such a real guy, always on top of things, and always looking out for the better good of webmasters. If anyone knows where he is posting now, drop me a line. I don't post much, but I really enjoyed reading his posts.

On a side note, I did some work with him at one point, he paid on time, and was a man of his word, which is a lot more than you can say about some of the people that remain around here, and continue to scam people without getting banned.

Sad day at GFY.

CDSmith 03-05-2008 12:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13871725)
I'm not going to sit here and search for his postings, the search here is not exactly the most effective. You said in your post he said a couple things. He's said more than a couple.

I'm sorry you feel I'm a "jack ass" and an "idiot". You've made it clear you didn't like the handling of the security issue a number of times.

It didn't take 8 months to pay. It took a few months to finally pick a winner, and then the ball was dropped on getting the check out. There were never any ill intentions or "lies" about it as he accused me of. It doesn't matter if the post named us or not. It was the intent of the post. It came from his being pissed off as was explained above.

And again, as above, my reply to him when he asked about it was polite and direct. He just didn't like the answer so he went off.

You're not adding anything new here, you're just rehashing the same points which have been addressed already.
It seems kind of wrong that will gets the shut up button but you get to continue on tossing more logs on the fire, no? I'm not taking sides here, when Eric says it's time to cool down then it's probably a good idea to cool things down, and that's one of Will's faults I suppose. But shouldn't it apply to everyone directly involved?

At the end of the day Will appears to have made some valid points, as have you, but the problem at your end is that you choose to defend defend defend instead of at least conceding the odd point and admitting that maybe there have been some mistakes made at your end. And frankly it's not looking good on you.

No attitude here, no 'tone', so please don't read any into my post. Thanks.

Kevin Marx 03-05-2008 12:40 AM
All I can say is wow... Banning seems wrong to me... Let's chalk Will up right next to Dean as a most likely to never come back candidate.

Jace 03-05-2008 12:44 AM
you all are too damn sensitive

eric told will to simmer down, will boiled over

he will be unbanned you all, he just needed a cool off period

eric told john and will BOTH to let it go, which is why john stopped posting about, and will didn't so he had to be stopped

the logic is there, i can't believe you all don't get it

and jesus christ, enough with the bro shit, it is old. it is obvious that those that resort to the bro argument obviously can't uphold a intelligent exchange of words

TMM_John 03-05-2008 12:56 AM
Now he's gone to another webmaster board I posted a special offer / NATS v4 thread on and posted just now the following:

Quote:
Hey John, can we get an update on how all the security problems NATS had last year. I know you fixed the problem but a lot of people have been asking for updates and I didn't notice that you posted any on [Board Name Censored]. How is the investigation going? Is there any suspects? Was the money trail tracked down to the people who got access to all the emails and stuff ? I am not trying to mean or anything, I am just a concerned user of nats and if there is anything I can do to help with the investigation let me know. Please keep us updated.
The same questions that were answered here in the same thread as they were posted here that started this whole mess. The same questions that he had answered.

You're right, he has no intentions of stirring trouble with me. It is my imagination.

Dopy 03-05-2008 12:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 13872007)

the logic is there, i can't believe you all don't get it
Yes the logic is there alright, shoot the messenger to suppress issue and in doing so make said issue front page news again.

Any mod with half a brain would have seen that coming.

»Rob Content« 03-05-2008 01:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13872040)
Now he's gone to another webmaster board I posted a special offer / NATS v4 thread on and posted just now the following:



The same questions that were answered here in the same thread as they were posted here that started this whole mess. The same questions that he had answered.

You're right, he has no intentions of stirring trouble with me. It is my imagination.
I missed where you actually answered it. I just saw you say that you will not deal with trolls, sig whores etc.

TampaToker 03-05-2008 01:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13872040)
Now he's gone to another webmaster board I posted a special offer / NATS v4 thread on and posted just now the following:



The same questions that were answered here in the same thread as they were posted here that started this whole mess. The same questions that he had answered.

You're right, he has no intentions of stirring trouble with me. It is my imagination.
lol maybe you didn't read John but Eric told both of you to let it go yet YOU continue to post. Yes i did see that post of will76 and he asked you a simple question again in a nice polite way. But why post about the other board here.

I don't speak for Will but man on man you now have a bulldog on your ass now have fun lol

TMM_John 03-05-2008 01:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VG.Content (Post 13872069)
I missed where you actually answered it. I just saw you say that you will not deal with trolls, sig whores etc.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...9&postcount=31
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...5&postcount=39

TMM_John 03-05-2008 01:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 13872084)
lol maybe you didn't read John but Eric told both of you to let it go yet YOU continue to post. Yes i did see that post of will76 and he asked you a simple question again in a nice polite way. But why post about the other board here.

I don't speak for Will but man on man you now have a bulldog on your ass now have fun lol
Actually, I posted in this thread when I summarized the entire situation that Eric asked both of us to stop communicating with each other. So no, it doesn't have anything to do with me not reading.

Arkantiger 03-05-2008 01:20 AM
cool =]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

»Rob Content« 03-05-2008 01:22 AM
All you said is it was fixed, there is nothing being said about the information that was compromised, what steps are being taken to assure it won't happen again, what steps are being taken to find who did. Why did it happen to begin with?

Saying it's fixed is great, but there is a lot more info that would be nice to put people a little bit more at ease.

TMM_John 03-05-2008 01:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VG.Content (Post 13872096)
All you said is it was fixed, there is nothing being said about the information that was compromised, what steps are being taken to assure it won't happen again, what steps are being taken to find who did. Why did it happen to begin with?

Saying it's fixed is great, but there is a lot more info that would be nice to put people a little bit more at ease.
An UPDATE was asked for. All of those questions have been answered in the past via a number of methods. There is no new information to update anyone with.

steved 03-05-2008 01:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hostile_anal_invasion (Post 13871369)
Fuck you Will76 and anybody that supports your tainted fucking intent you ass crust!

Will76 is no fucking good.
Says the guy that has been banned numerous times over 7 years. What nick you coming back with next?

onlymovies 03-05-2008 02:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 13870906)
Will was not banned for asking questions, raising issues, or even for pushing the limits. Will was banned because he was asked and warned repeatedly to take the issue off the boards. He could not do so, therefore proving he could not control himself.

This is not a permenant ban, but he does need to understand that we do not say things we say to say them. If we ask you guys to do something we expect you to respect that we are asking nicely, if you push us we will put you on time out... Act like a child and be treated like a child.

Not trying to be dick but seriously....are you for real dude?

You talk about banning for "acting like a child" and yet you have 100's of meaningless trolls and idiots that run wild on this board that you can be banning till your hearts content.

But instead of going after the trolls and the REAL problems that are bringing down the quality of this board (which in turn is pushing more industry individuals to other boards), you ban one of the only guys who ACTUALLY brings something to YOUR board and initiates some VALID industry business discussions?????

I don't even agree with all of wills points, but they are valid.

In fact, this NATs security breach shit hit the fucking newpapers which affects ALL of us. And you don't think this is relevant????

How much does the bro pass that John has cost and what's it made of, gold?
My god..

tolik 03-05-2008 02:28 AM
some useless waste of time as always.

RudeBoy 03-05-2008 05:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by onlymovies (Post 13872182)

I don't even agree with all of wills points, but they are valid.

In fact, this NATs security breach shit hit the fucking newpapers which affects ALL of us. And you don't think this is relevant????
I agree the guy is discussing an issue involving the security of our industry ... he has every right to ask the questions on here and to be answered.

12clicks 03-05-2008 06:18 AM
my take on will is that as his business declines, he wanted to remain relevant. He found a niche and validation by rousing the rabble at the expense of business owners and more importantly, advertisers.
He became a broken record that added nothing to the board.

Kram 03-05-2008 06:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 13872865)
my take on will is that as his business declines, he wanted to remain relevant. He found a niche and validation by rousing the rabble at the expense of business owners and more importantly, advertisers.
He became a broken record that added nothing to the board.
You are a piece of shit just like John is ...

GonZo 03-05-2008 07:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13871373)
If that was the case why didnt John just say that? It was all over the newspapers they even interviewed Gonzo. Porn buyers read papers so it involves alot of people.To ask for update I dont think is too much considering one was never given. Then on the other thread he didnt even mention John and John came in great guns.
AP and Wired magazine know who to talk to . . .

slapass 03-05-2008 07:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 13869421)
I am not going to ban you, but you are wearing my patience very very thin. I asked you to chill out on the issue. We even discussed your issues with Damian over ICQ and I handled that for you, based on his breaking GFY rules.

You just can't seem figure out when you should SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Keep pushing me Will. I haven't banned you because I think you do provide good info. But you are pushing my patience.
Wow Gfy has a mod...

Pleasurepays 03-05-2008 07:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 13872865)
my take on will is that as his business declines, he wanted to remain relevant. He found a niche and validation by rousing the rabble at the expense of business owners and more importantly, advertisers.
He became a broken record that added nothing to the board.
this whole place is a cesspool of idiocy, trolls, fake nicknames and contest bots. i highly doubt the motivating factor was "cleaning the place up" or getting rid of people who "add nothing to the board"

slapass 03-05-2008 07:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13871725)
I'm not going to sit here and search for his postings, the search here is not exactly the most effective. You said in your post he said a couple things. He's said more than a couple.

I'm sorry you feel I'm a "jack ass" and an "idiot". You've made it clear you didn't like the handling of the security issue a number of times.

It didn't take 8 months to pay. It took a few months to finally pick a winner, and then the ball was dropped on getting the check out. There were never any ill intentions or "lies" about it as he accused me of. It doesn't matter if the post named us or not. It was the intent of the post. It came from his being pissed off as was explained above.

And again, as above, my reply to him when he asked about it was polite and direct. He just didn't like the answer so he went off.

You're not adding anything new here, you're just rehashing the same points which have been addressed already.
Not sure if he names you later but Will did not name the company that dropped the ball on the charity thing.

And the security thing effected a lot of us. I had my account at a pretty major program hijacked and would have liked to know where the breach was. But fine no need for any further contact. Just pretend like this stuff never happens. I do not read GFY religiously like some and email from the sponsors as to what was up would have helped.

brand0n 03-05-2008 07:28 AM
free willy

Dollarmansteve 03-05-2008 09:12 AM
Will is a self-righteous ego maniac - he couldn't control himself and got a slap on the wrist and now he's a martyr.

But the correct answer is: who fucking cares. The industry is so much bigger (literally and figuratively) than this board and Will's cause-of-the-week.

CDSmith 03-05-2008 09:24 AM
Col. PbucksJohn: You want answers?
Lt. will76: I think I'm entitled.
Col. PbucksJohn: You want answers?
Lt. will76: I want the truth!
Col. PbucksJohn: You can't handle the truth!

OzMan 03-05-2008 09:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 13872090)
Actually, I posted in this thread when I summarized the entire situation that Eric asked both of us to stop communicating with each other. So no, it doesn't have anything to do with me not reading.
You did that to get the last word in with your version of events when you knew he was banned and couldn't reply. Like a hit below the belt after the bell.

You said it made you feel "odd" that he couldn't reply. Doesn't matter who started it, kicking a guy in the balls when he is down is a fucking cheap shot and only undermines your reputation further.

So all the people saying you haven't given any real answers to the issues raised and therefore should at least admit some degree of fault are just trolls and sigwhores? riiiiight.

Ice 03-05-2008 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 13870787)
WOW are you trying to get banned also? Posting links to other forums
Dude you know better... Strike 1

Kevin Marx 03-05-2008 10:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 13873494)
Col. PbucksJohn: You want answers?
Lt. will76: I think I'm entitled.
Col. PbucksJohn: You want answers?
Lt. will76: I want the truth!
Col. PbucksJohn: You can't handle the truth!
Classic!!!

Nicely done

shunga 03-05-2008 10:14 AM
It would be nice to have an actual business thread here that isn't hijacked for more drama. You can't complain about the bullshit here and then think will was in the right for hijacking John's thread. I wouldn't have minded an update on what happened, either, but all that would have taken would have been a new thread. Most of these questions have been answered time and again, and I doubt there is much new to report, though.

D 03-05-2008 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 13871450)
...BroMotion...
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Jdoughs 03-05-2008 10:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13870432)
You know I have great respect for you Eric but it seems the rules are changing on GFY. If thats the case maybe the rules should be amended so we are all crystal clear. John choose to come into will's anonymous thread instead of contacting him directly. It was his contest his responsibility. I want to know exactly what rules are so I don't break them, if ad buyers are hands off I would like to know. I like this board and dont want to lose my water cooler. :)
I would think that the ammount of sales lost to the progams in question outweigh any ammount one company spends on advertising.

Whats a year of advertising, 30-35k? How many people send that much traffic to more then one sponsor? Lots.

Juicy D. Links 03-05-2008 10:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D (Post 13873834)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
the BroMotion has been denied!!!!!!


We appeal!!!

NTSS 03-05-2008 10:28 AM
I think Will76 has been standing in the corner long enough. Why was he even asked to "drop it" anyway? I don't get it.


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