i must admit... that after my first trip to redtube i realized i would never pay for porn again in my life...

i would concur... after u got your fill, you move on to do other things.

it will be interesting to see if upselling from these longer than 3-5 min clips actually pays off.

i think its really the sponsored advertising that is the money maker, in addition to running ad network spots that drives the revenue (no different than mainstream sites).

so warez, tube, torrents, etc may do better with non-adult advertising..

it would be also interesting to see a "legit" *tube site working.. meaning all licensed content, giving away 20min clips,etc...and making the advertising business model work for them (it was bound to happen with the evolution of tgp/mgp, etc)

mainstream does these kinds of marketing tactics in providing everything for free in exchange to make money off of advertising.

this is why *tube sites are the real disrupters to the adult industry, not copyright infringement issues that can easily be resolved.


Fight the darwinism!

well, i my current license i have:

i need to word that a little better and only allow the full content, besides what is allowed for promotion or design, behind a closed membership system

We are dealing with a totally different beast here, what is the purpose of viewing porn? to get off, what's left - nothing till you want to get off again.

What is the average length of porn viewing, 10 minutes, 15 minutes?

What mainstream product will fulfill its purpose in 15 minutes, viewed over the web?

what is in mainstream really provided for free? a TV programming with adverts, ok but show me one single porn channel that would have advertisement in it?

Why no porn TV channels have real advertising in it? and if they offer that why the prices are incredibly low?

- stigma, not many advertisers will touch it
- what will be a result of advertisement, who will actually be interested in your advertisement?

a male holding his dick in his hand? do you think he will really enjoy the shapes of the new Silverado if he is disrupted from jacking off?

Porn is video, to tease - and to sell the full product, once the full product will be availble for free there is no porn market anymore, the whole steady demand of those who NEED IT will not be there anymore.

That's a very good point and I know about one concrete example where there is already a site looking for a 1000 4 - 8 min clips a month.. so they are trying to be "legit" but to keep the traffic they stole already, I need to get something done but I will get back to the discussion later.

content is king, traffic is queen. Can I be the elf ?

if a *tube site can't sell advertising then they will die a slow death of bandwidth charges. upsells to sponsor programs may bring in some cash, but its sponsored advertising that most likely pays the bills.

as long as there are ad sponsors, there will be funding for the free content.

the *tube sites don't seem to care about "the industry", they are operating a biz model to make money. if they do license content and give it away for free, in hopes that the eyeballs attract ad sponsors, then that is their angle.

as one poster and even myself commented that after looking at a *tube site, you really have no need to join a porn site.... so yes, *tube sites are bad for the industry as a whole, much like mainstream *tube sites are taking a dent in consumers watching tv/cable.

copyright infringement lawsuits will force the *tube sites to get with a legal model. at that point, they will be serving up legal, licensed content (with 2257 docs) and you will see alot less sales on paysites.

WHen content producers (dvd/video) finally get it and channel their frustrations of the internet side, they'll work with *tube sites to get revenue from content that paysites aren't wanting to buy.

Niche markets will grow strong. content like you see at kink.com will serve a market that wants consistant quality, and will join paysites to get it, rather than the random mix you find on a *tube site.

The future of the industry does look a little dimmer for the generic-load-up-with-content paysites and even more so for affiliates, but there is always opportunities for the next big thing.

look at the web 2.0 space.. friendster used to be top dog, then myspace, then facebook. there will be innovation, just from fewer players.


Fight the puddles of sky!

I wouldn't agree here Paul, you can't give anyone license to give out the product for free and to make a bank on it wher you will probably get a dime or two.

As far as it's a digital thing, then it's really possible, there are no replication costs, there are nearly no distribution costs (apart from bandwith) and you can attract and satisfy thousands of your potential visitors with your product for free.

What I am trying to say is:

- everyone of us has a desire for sex

- sex sells and used to sell even more before it was avaiilable for free (coming from the mouth of someone who offers real sex for free must be sounding a bit ridiculous)

- there will be always demand for this

- there will be always piracy, as in every other business, that costs you a loss profit

- the reason is that someone gets your product and doesn't pay you for it (no matter if they pay to the thief directly or indirectly by paying for something to his advertising partners)

- there is nothing more in porn than a full length video

- the only thing that's more is real sex - but that, again that can't be offered even in our case, if noone would want to pay for the video

- there will aways be more people that don't have sex but who need it - otherwise porn would never have such a vast amount of fans and users

- Legit tube sites can't have full length content on them

- What we speak about, is to ruin the whole principle of the business of selling sex

This is not targeted on you, but my impression is that only people who either cannot make a dime or who already make millions are the ones who don't have to care about this

so how can you stop a *tube site from licensing content and giving full length clips away for free? you can't ban/shun the content producer is who looking to survive and licensing their content.

sites that steal content can be curbed by lawsuits (where applicable).


Fight the porn cops!

Umm... Are you high?

I simply asked you for some statistics. I don't care wtf you do with your content. With all this mouthing off you have been doing you would think a simple request like stats shouldn't be that difficult for you to understand.

I do and don't support Tube sites, and I don't care what anyone does content wise/marketing with them. So since you don't agree with that why don't you leave the board?

You attacked me and I simply asked a question. I would like you to read my most recent article on Tubes, actually my blog has several since I clearly don't support them as you stated.

Maybe Tube Sites Aren’t As Big As You Think

I'm sure you will post some non related statement, but really you are clearly here to spout useless shit to try and cover up the fact that a Tube is a large webmaster for you.... That's just pathetic.

That's exactly what I am afraid of - there are still old school producers producing crappy porn that they used to make bank on it, now they make beer money from DVD's and if someone comes over to them and buys their thing "for internet" and pays them a dime or two they consider that a profit.

These people should be declared incompetent to sign anything involving brain or internet.

The content brokers won't do this, because they would piss off all their buyers with paysites if they gave out something they sold already to someone else to someone, who would offer the same for free..

Unless they will be able to cash in more money from the tube buyers, of course.. but who makes more money - tubes or sponsor programs?

That brings me to a question for the content producers:

What is better for you - to produce two exclusive scenes a day to be bought by established programs or to produce something just to get a dime or two from tube sites?

In another words, to sum that up:

What is easiest to sell, if there is a customer who wants SEX?

Sex is a universal language, every male, since he found out, that there are females (or males in many cases) and he can get a boner and get this HILLARIOUS feeling of beeing the fucking GOD for a while.

Now why do they search for it on the web? because they want what? do they want to buy a parfume?

I assume most of these guys want something different, I assume they want to do this terrible thing that most of us still does, although we told to us many times that we are already too old for that -

JACKING OFF!

So what is the answer? Who is our audience? what do they want?

SEX

so do you want to try to sell them the only thing that they are interested in or do you want to try to sell them something else?

or, make a few bucks from the *tube site licensing the content AND getting traffic for joins to the content producer's own website?


Fight the ?!

well what I reacted on was the full porn alternative.

If everything is legal and limited to tease such as snizzshare for example than you got just a new generation of MGP's with flash video - no issue about that.

The brands won't be hurt, the amateur producers might get a chance and we have just changed the format of promotion.

But we can't change the format of the business, because the sex business is about offering sex, if there is sex for free there is nothing left to offer, and if you can sell something else you are still loosing the chance to exploit the main motivation of your surfers, so you are loosing a notable part of your potential income..

Not to mention it would be only a matter of time till some semi christian out of medications influental fraction would target the sites that offer full length porn just under the disclaimer / no credit card needed which would mean also the end of mgp's, tube sites.

The same that happened in Germany, the second biggest porn market in the world where you can't show hardcore unless someone pays / is age verified (and yes, we are in 2007..)