I found that video pretty disturbing and crossed a number of lines for me. I felt pretty bad for that girl. I don't know how that guy can produce shit like that and live with himself. I would never want to be associated in any way with content like that.

It would be interesting to survey his models and see what they say about him and the shoots they did. I wonder how many would do it again.

i have heard that some girls are really not given the whole picture when they get booked for a Max Hardcore or Khan Tusion Meatholes shoot, there are sleazy agents in LA who couldn't give a shit what happens to a girl. But even when the more reputable ones do explain things better for many of these girls it's still a whole different situation when you're 18 and suddenly you're on a set with him and getting called whore and pissed on - I dont know if Max Hardcore has a safe word for girls who freak out and want the shoot to stop - I really doubt it.

It's no longer just Max Hardcore - girls are regularly degraded and hurt by all sorts of shooters and male talent- why do you think so few girls stay in hardcore for more than a month or so? the ones who stick it out are the truly nutty ones or the ones who really are into that kind of sex as much as the guys shooting it. that would be great if all the girls in porn really were just sex freaks and exhibitionists doing it as much for fun as for the money.

If you think Max spends the money to go to Court to defend OUR 1st Amendment rights you are a TOOL. Max is defending HIMSELF from going to JAIL and defending HIS right to make this sick porn. If you think for a moment that he has been dealing with the USA DOJ for any reason other than self interest YOU are the IDIOT.

Glad to see you support child rape. congrats

It looks like the Phoenix Forum 04 at the La Pasada resort.

For me, this is sick in so many ways.

Just my :2 cents:

Can someone give the full backstory to the picture Steve Lightspeed posted? Anyone know what was said to set all those guys off?

here is what you stupid fucks forget to realize as your all sitting here bashing max...

Max is on the forefront of fighting for our rights as pornographers.. where are you guys? sitting back bashing the guy?

look ive said it before I will say it again...
were all pornographers to the outside world... to say steve lightspeed is better than max hardcore is retarded... now im not bashing steve because I like em both.. just using it as an example.. were all pornographers.. if you don't like his stuff then shut the fuck up...

how about this...

I personally think Girl/girl is more obscene than anything max has ever shot.. you know why?




to say any of his scenes are almost rape is insane....


Max is a pioneer in the extreme world...


Ive sent many many many girls to work with max...

do you want me to start naming the companies and directors that the girls do NOT want to work with? max is not one of them...

I can name 7 huge directors that you guys would never talk shit about on here but in the real world... these guys are the biggest pieces of shit that walk the planet....

take a look around... there is a reason that the feds can never beat max..... now think of that....

anyways... good scene...

tons... the same about of girls that shoot for me and want to keep comming back and back again....

BTW the pic of max and steve was from florida... good times that year... I want to say it was 02 if im not mistaken... im glad it did not go through... steve and them would have been sore the next day.. max can get jiggy wit it...

Right or wrong, good or evil... I can't force myself to watch more than a few seconds of that.

Have the model in that video post here that she signed on to that and I will change my opinion.

At this point, I have to say that this shit is way out of line....

Just my opinion, and hinestly I am surprised at some of the people here that think this is good for the industry...

It's been a few years but I believe the guy on the far right is Bryan Y.

I was there as well.....

Right after that happened, Max sat down and talked with a few of us. He didn't understand why nobody liked him....Since he's such a nice guy and all.

Actually, it Summer Internext in FL. Pretty sure it was August of 2002.

Westin Diplomat.

The truth?

People here won't like the truth. In fact, they probably wouldn't believe it either so I'm not going to bother posting it.

Max is fighting for his own right, stop bullshitting around.

He found a way to work out his own filthy fantasies and make money out of it but cause it is "legal" doesn't make it right. Specially not this video. I have seen some of his crap before but this one certainly crosses a line with the pedo remarks in it :2 cents:

Oh and someone who buys a Kia while he already had a Kia before isn't going to complain either. AKA the girls who shoot for you will shoot for Max too as you both shoot filthy crap.

meh. takes too long to load.

To compare Lightspeed content to Max Hardcore content shows a complete lack of understanding of some pretty basic things. Really basic as a matter of fact. And I'm frankly a bit frightened of someone who can't see the difference.

I am a firm believer in free speech and honestly, I don't think that Max Hardcore should be legally prevented from shooting just about anything he wants to shoot using legal age and willing models.

However, we he goes and shoots something like the video posted in the OP here, right thinking people certainly should use THEIR power of free speech to express their distaste for it. Hating the guy, hell, even wanting him out of the industry or preferably DEAD from some freak accident (which would suit me just FINE) doesn't mean that I don't A) believe in free speech or B) believe in Max Hardcore's free speech.

Ideally, he would legally be legally allowed to make it but no one would agree to distribute/sell/market it for him. That would never happen of course because this industry has no sense of watching out for its own fucking interests most of the time.

I'll believe anything. Come on, let's have the story behind the picture. :upsidedow

I find it funny how the only person defending him is KnightMare, everyone else seems to find this type of content hideous, degrading, and out right disgusting. I'm sure some people are into this type of content, but at the same time aren't people into child porn, and rape? Should we fight for there rights too? I personally think this is why porn hasn't and will never be main stream here as it has in other countries, because of sick fucks like this. :2 cents:

Why would someone who hasn't been abused (at some point?) volunteer for this type pf scene and frankly why do people enjoy watching people suffer? Isn't that taking advantage of someone's situation in the first place? And then being taken advantage of because of the past issues she brings to a shoot, to reinact the behavior she has been exposed to as ok, and deserved?
I'll suppose it's safe to say Max likes the drama and controversy because it fuels what he does. Frankly its disturbing, and if only we as society said that hurting another person is not right, why would pretending to do it be just as ok? We go to jail for hurting animals and even having sex with them, thats out there too. None of it is morally correct, sadly if we turned off the eyes and stop looking or advocating it, perhaps we might see it as wrong rather then "just part of the industry".

Ok i got to 11mins of that and HAD to switch off.

Disgrace !! And we wonder why adult gets a bad rep ?? :disgust

What provoked that was a "garden hose up a girls ass" that had her hospitalized I believe.. I was there when that happened, Florida I believe it was, maybe 2002, 2003?

That's my buddy Bryan looking at the camera, he's outta the porn industry now

Dude I think that was your cigar.. I was smokin one of yours too ;)

I think some people here need to realize people have different tastes. Plenty of guys and girls get off on these sort of fantasies, and the number of women is probably a lot higher than you think. To the rest of the public, porn is porn, and it's not really fair to start picking and choosing which niches you will support and which you will not.

The girls who participate in the extreme videos are generally told beforehand what will happen, and check off a list of things they will do and will not do... I don't know about every producer, but the ones I do know show them an example video of the type of content. They sign the release forms after, they do the video interviews stating they are there of their own free will, and they gladly cash their larger-than-average checks.

How about the other end of the spectrum? A lot of people think solo teen sites with ambiguous age props (teddy bears, lollipops, pigtails, etc) are just as bad, if not worse.

I didn't watch the video, but I am curious to what the people here that are objecting are objecting to?

Is it the act itself (meaning you want rough sex or simulated slapping made illegal?), or is it the dialogue in the video (meaning you want words to be censored and made illegal?)?

The biggest moral issue I have in this thread is Max's stolen content on tnaflix :1orglaugh

What are you guys newbs?
That is Max Hardcore!
And that aint even his worst clip. That was MILD compared to his other stuff.

I completely agree that this type of content should not be produced... but it's not my place to say..

Lookit PissMops.. Girls like Taylor Rain.. lookin completely heart broken at the end of the clip..

Is that ok?

Any porn treating a woman like that is just straight wrong.

congrats on defeating a senior citizen

You raise some valid points.

I will say that personally, I do not like Max's stuff at all. I find it very disturbing. With that said.....

I was telling my girlfriend about a couple of videos I've seen recently where the girls were getting slammed in the ass while the guy was stepping on their head at the same time. I expected my girl to less than excited about the idea but she surprised me and said: "That could be fun." She then went on to say that many of the girls she talks to are into things like that and that even she would like to be forced into a rough situation from time to time.

I know a couple of girls who shot for pissmops.com a few years ago. They each claimed to be paid $500.00 for them to fuck/suck and be pissed on and in their mouths. Again, not my cup of tea so to speak but they seemed OK with what they had done and didn't complain about the shoot at all.

People have argues that Max is not looking out for our industry but only covering his own ass. Although I believe that to be 100% true, the flip side of it is the effect that it HAS had on our industry. It's brought negative publicity, as if we needed more of that, but it's also helped to establish precedent for the legal system that does in fact help ALL of us regardless of his actual intent.

It's very easy for a model to say that she was forced into things once her family and friends find out what she has done. That's even more true when you are dealing with extreme content like this. However, in this specific video, you can see where the girl says she needs to stop and then there is a cut in the footage where Max clearly did stop and then then started again. The whole intro is obviously more or less ad-lib and acting. Anybody who thinks that she is actually describing her childhood is a complete moron.

A few years ago I was hanging out with "California Pimp" (netvideogirls.com) His site concept is based on girls who answer an ad for Bikini models and so forth then he talks them into fucking on camera. He told me he has had to move a few times because of pissed off boyfriends who found out about the site and believed that it was all real. Guys who would simply not believe that their girls would do porn without being tricked into it. I actually shot one his scenes for him so I have first hand knowledge of how the setup went both on and off camera.

Somebody also mentioned that as pornographers we are all viewed in the same light, whether it be Max or Lightspeed.....And they are right. You don't need to compare he two types of content because as far as a non-porn person is concerned, it' all smut and we are smut peddlers.

There are people like Max who push the extreme limits and then there are people who shoot softcore stuff while providing cocaine to their models on and off set. Is one worse than the other?

So ya think he does not deserve to have his ass kicked by people that know better?

People that want a reputable industry, or at least one that can differentiate between calling the government to step in and fuck us all up or stand up together and say that what this guy does is not appreciated by by his own peer's?

Sorry I do not agree one fucking bit.
Anyone can pay a bum to slash his owns wrists and put it on youtube.

But doing so any decent human being can figure out it's just not right.

and with only the picture to judge the situation from, it looks like they needed two on one to just about kick Max's ass :1orglaugh

Son of Sam I am... Son of Sam banned again!

In Jim South's World Modeling offices a couple days ago, a brand new girl practically begged Jim to call Max as she had fantasized about working with him. So Jim did. The only thing is she doesn't do anal... though maybe Max can talk her into it?

hahahahaha


very well said... I was going to say... thats pretty tame for max's stuff...


and for the guys "photographers" in here that really think girls are mislead and do not know.. well that sounds like something the hooker said and you fell for it....

give it a break.. they all know what there in for... if not they will soon find out with the pre shoot....

I know excatly what some of the girls were paid on these "pissmops" sites and it was not 500 and if it was... they agreed to it.. the name of the game is not to look out for the whore but to start your bid off low...

if I can get a girl to film for 150 bucks I will... why on earth would you start your bidding high....

yer SO gonna have to tell me the story behind this sometime.

Stolen Content....I'd say Max is being raped

thats the funniest shit i have heard all year.. Max a tough guy? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

PWNED . . . is that what the kids say these days?

Remember what the the senator said to Paul Cambria,"Police yourselves or we will do for you".
People will learn when its too late. Keep poking the giant.

WOW, I was there too. All I remember is a bit of chest beating. Are you sure there was a fight at all?

Did I not phrase "Just about" enough for you?:1orglaugh

Lrn2reed.]

K? thks!
Bi.

I don't really consider that pornography though. It is less about sexuality and more about violence. To me, that's not much different than the guys who get hard watching beheading videos. I understand there is an audience for it, I understand people like it, but I don't think that should be classified as the same pornography as something Lightspeed does.

I've seen some of his worst scenes. I can tell you that if that video was shown in a courtroom with a girl claiming she was raped, he would be in jail for a long time.

The issue isn't about whether he's a "nice guy to work with". Or whether "he is trusted". It's about his stuff getting lumped into normal pornography that the majority of people enjoy. It's absurd to classify a video of simulated child rape to the Jordan Capri Honeymoon video. People like Lightspeed don't want him fighting for the industry. The more the industry seperates themselves from his stuff, the better.

So should he be allowed to shoot that stuff? Sure, as long as the girls know what they are getting into and are OK with it. I just don't consider that stuff pornography. Just as I wouldn't consider rape, child abuse, or some guy in Iraq getting beheaded pornography.

Learn to write, not only me but others took what you said wrong.
Try this "Basically Max Hardcore was just about to get his ass kicked by one of us."
or maybe
"Basically Max Hardcore was going to get his ass kicked by one of us."
Thanks

A lot of people could argue that sites like Little Lupe promote the pedo lifestyle.. Although I know that Lupe is 18+ as well as all the other models you shot/shoot, I persdonally think girls that look that young only cater to pedo's..

With that said, I think there is a huge difference with a girl who is 18+ that looks very young compared to a girl/model/actress (whatever) that makes a consumer feel that she was physically or mentally abused during a shoot..

After watching 10 minutes of that video (all I could stomach), I felt as if that girl was being abused. but felt trapped into staying...

If I am wrong, then someone please have a statement from her or her agent posted here saying she was a willful participant.

Although, I strongly disagree with this type of content, if both parties agree to this type of treatment beforehand, to each their own and I have no issue.

If this type of scenario is the product of one performer taking advantage of another performer (especially a woman) then I have a huge problem with this and think others should as well...

the excitement in his voice is disturbing..

he's a sick fuck and will end up in jail

that girl was raped and might have been too dumb to realize it at the time but Im sure she realizes it now.

Ok, my final :2 cents: argument in this thread as it's most likely just beating a dead horse to go any further.

I am all for free speech, and I have seen plenty of Max Hardcores stuff around before. The issue for me here is NOT the pissing and simulation rape, but the fact that they are openly discussing the rape of EXTREMELY underage girls in the process of doing so. Say it's all fantasy and scripted and whatever until you're blue in the face, but fact is, people don't just talk about raping 10 year old girls while the fuck some little chick in the ass for a paycheck and walk away thinking nothing of it like it's their job. He clearly has a thing for rape sex and humiliating young girls. If it were legal to shoot with 10 year olds, I don't doubt that you'd see old Max slapping some of them around and "simulating" their rapes too. Say that he's fighting for freespeech all you want too, but all he's fighting for is himself, and his legal right to play out his fucked up fantasies without facing legal action. Content like this gives the industry a real dirty face for antiporn activists to put on all us if they choose to do so.

To everyone who uses the free speech argument in favor of Max, consider this. Say that tomorrow I hire an 18 year old model and dress her up in typical schoolgirl attire, pigtails, so on. Then I shoot a video where I throw her in a van off the street by a school, drive her to the desert where I shoot a simulation rape scene, slapping her around and doing whatever cruel ass shit I think will work to make it realistic. Then we simulate a rape/murder where I cut her head off and sodomize the corpse. I throw this video up on schoolgirlrapemurder.com and sell it. Are you going to stand up protect my right to create this shit and scream freespeech still? In this industry there has to be a point somewhere where a line is drawn. I don't know where it needs to be drawn, but I'd say it hits somewhere before repeatedly saying you're going to rape a 10 year olds ass during a simulation rape scene though.

If a model wants to drink piss and get slapped around for a paycheck, thats her choice, but I don't think there's any reasonable excuse to bring some of the topics in this particular video into an adult production. Another odd question I have is this. Say a model signs a release cor contract she's going to be in a rough simulation rape scene and halfway through realizes she's in way over her head. What's stopping these guys from actually continuing on with raping her. How is anyone going to be able to tell the difference when the film is aired? She's basically signed away her rights to some guy to fuck her up how ever hard, rough, and nasty he sees fit to do so, and what the hell can she say afterwards? Seems like a perfect legal cover for a rapist to do his work to me...

In summary, the only people I see defending this are people who shoot some fucked up disgusting shit, or who makes money off fucked up disgusting shit. Max isn't doing and great fight to defend the freed om speech protecting any of our rights. He's looking out for himself, and in a small way it's rubbing off for a few other people producing similiar stuff. If everyone involved is consenting to it, I say fuck it, go for it. But bottom line is that this video went way over the top with the pedo comments, and in making the pedo comments I think max outdid himself as standing up and making it public that he indeed has some pedo thoughts floating about up in his head. Way to go buddy.

I could give a fuck what anybody thinks about my opinion of it. I think it's overboard, and out of line, and as for free speech as I am, I think there are certain things (like these pedo comments in the video) which should be kept out of porn by legal restriction.

/end of my commenting in this thread

Agreed....

Um it's video taped sex that sexually excites the viewers and fulfills their sexual fantasies... How is that not pornography? I would say that is more porn than softcore nude modelling, or hell how about a lot of the fetish stuff that isn't even nude...

I'd call it "Hollywood" :1orglaugh