Who says what he does is "Wrong"? Who should be the council that determines what is right and wrong? Did you know it's "LEGAL" in India to beat your wife? Do you want to go preach to them that it's "Wrong"? Did you know that it's legal to have sex with a 16 y/o in Mississippi? Do you want to go parade down there and tell them it's wrong? Come on man. What's wrong for you isn't always wrong for someone else. As a society, we have general rules when it comes to this kind of thing. It's society as a whole who make these decisions, not you or me, but the general populus. And to this day, his content is still LEGAL. So why bitch about it now... on a board? Write your congressman. Write Dubbya. DO SOMETHING about it other than come here and bitch to people who really don't give a shit, and probably won't ever do anything about it. Max is out there fighting for freedom of speech. What are you out there fighting for?

I can't believe there are actually people that defends these kinds of people/movies where you see girls get abused to the point that they emotionally breaks or when the sicko camera man has to step in to abort what he personally thinks is rape.

Just checked his website and Epoch is processing for his website. How the fuck can they process for this?

All of his most violent and fucked up scenes that he aren't able to include in his DVD's/VHS movies are on his website. According to the link below he got scat content on the site... WTF?
http://www.xxxporntalk.com/ubbthread...7446&type=post

According to his paysite program website he is using CCBill as well!

I think the real question is where is the adult industry willing or comfortable or even able to draw the line on what is illegal and legal...

Sad state of affairs for sure. No one in this industry can agree with anything in unison. It's pretty much impossible, not to mention the rogue states outside the bounds of american law.

Nothing will change.
Sadly.

http://www.lightspeedcash.com/poolfight.jpg

OH and the dude sitting in the chair with a smoke who's face is not seen I believe is Tucker.:1orglaugh

If I remember right and this was many years ago.
It's a pretty symbolic and story telling photo.

Shit, I just skimmed through the video and analyzed it. Basically I'd say she knew what she was getting into but at a few points she did come out of character and say stuff like "that really hurts", "I can't breath", "I can't do this" and he answers everyone of these statements with a hard slap on the face.

I would say he definitely took it too far and crossed the line of the contract that girl signed. She basically got paid to get raped. And yes I would consider it rape because she essentially told him to stop multiple times and he just kept going. She had no power or control and was not protected in any way and she realized while doing it that there would be no way to stop this guy even if she wanted to.

It is very sad to see young girls end up in videos like this because stuff like that will fuck her up psychologically for the rest of her life. She was very obviously in pain in many parts and had to withdraw herself from the situation to be able to even make it through. Very sad video.

I would imagine she knew what she was getting into to. I'm not saying she didn't regret it once it was happening, but she saw im coming im sure. I bet they have some sort of 'safety word' or something to get him to really stop. You can see parts of the video were edited after she says stop some of the times. If the girl isn't going 'no no please stop' it isn't really simulated rape is it...

YOU SIR ARE A FUCKING IDIOT :2 cents:

nobody told her to shoot the scene

Well, at first I was thinking "These guys are over-reacting", but after watching the clip, I have to say, he REALLY broke that girl down, I actually felt bad for her when he kept slapping her and pissing in her face, forcing her to swallow at one point, then forcing her to make herself puke, ughh.

I guess the biggest question I could ask is, do these girls actually know what they're getting themselves into ?? Does Max actaully show him previous clips and say "THIS is what I'm going to do to you, are you 100% sure you want to go through with it". Hopefully it's not a situation where it's just "You're gonna come in and do a girl/guy scene".

I found that video pretty disturbing and crossed a number of lines for me. I felt pretty bad for that girl. I don't know how that guy can produce shit like that and live with himself. I would never want to be associated in any way with content like that.

It would be interesting to survey his models and see what they say about him and the shoots they did. I wonder how many would do it again.

i have heard that some girls are really not given the whole picture when they get booked for a Max Hardcore or Khan Tusion Meatholes shoot, there are sleazy agents in LA who couldn't give a shit what happens to a girl. But even when the more reputable ones do explain things better for many of these girls it's still a whole different situation when you're 18 and suddenly you're on a set with him and getting called whore and pissed on - I dont know if Max Hardcore has a safe word for girls who freak out and want the shoot to stop - I really doubt it.

It's no longer just Max Hardcore - girls are regularly degraded and hurt by all sorts of shooters and male talent- why do you think so few girls stay in hardcore for more than a month or so? the ones who stick it out are the truly nutty ones or the ones who really are into that kind of sex as much as the guys shooting it. that would be great if all the girls in porn really were just sex freaks and exhibitionists doing it as much for fun as for the money.

If you think Max spends the money to go to Court to defend OUR 1st Amendment rights you are a TOOL. Max is defending HIMSELF from going to JAIL and defending HIS right to make this sick porn. If you think for a moment that he has been dealing with the USA DOJ for any reason other than self interest YOU are the IDIOT.

Glad to see you support child rape. congrats

It looks like the Phoenix Forum 04 at the La Pasada resort.

For me, this is sick in so many ways.

Just my :2 cents:

Can someone give the full backstory to the picture Steve Lightspeed posted? Anyone know what was said to set all those guys off?

here is what you stupid fucks forget to realize as your all sitting here bashing max...

Max is on the forefront of fighting for our rights as pornographers.. where are you guys? sitting back bashing the guy?

look ive said it before I will say it again...
were all pornographers to the outside world... to say steve lightspeed is better than max hardcore is retarded... now im not bashing steve because I like em both.. just using it as an example.. were all pornographers.. if you don't like his stuff then shut the fuck up...

how about this...

I personally think Girl/girl is more obscene than anything max has ever shot.. you know why?




to say any of his scenes are almost rape is insane....


Max is a pioneer in the extreme world...


Ive sent many many many girls to work with max...

do you want me to start naming the companies and directors that the girls do NOT want to work with? max is not one of them...

I can name 7 huge directors that you guys would never talk shit about on here but in the real world... these guys are the biggest pieces of shit that walk the planet....

take a look around... there is a reason that the feds can never beat max..... now think of that....

anyways... good scene...

tons... the same about of girls that shoot for me and want to keep comming back and back again....

BTW the pic of max and steve was from florida... good times that year... I want to say it was 02 if im not mistaken... im glad it did not go through... steve and them would have been sore the next day.. max can get jiggy wit it...

Right or wrong, good or evil... I can't force myself to watch more than a few seconds of that.

Have the model in that video post here that she signed on to that and I will change my opinion.

At this point, I have to say that this shit is way out of line....

Just my opinion, and hinestly I am surprised at some of the people here that think this is good for the industry...

It's been a few years but I believe the guy on the far right is Bryan Y.

I was there as well.....

Right after that happened, Max sat down and talked with a few of us. He didn't understand why nobody liked him....Since he's such a nice guy and all.

Actually, it Summer Internext in FL. Pretty sure it was August of 2002.

Westin Diplomat.

The truth?

People here won't like the truth. In fact, they probably wouldn't believe it either so I'm not going to bother posting it.

Max is fighting for his own right, stop bullshitting around.

He found a way to work out his own filthy fantasies and make money out of it but cause it is "legal" doesn't make it right. Specially not this video. I have seen some of his crap before but this one certainly crosses a line with the pedo remarks in it :2 cents:

Oh and someone who buys a Kia while he already had a Kia before isn't going to complain either. AKA the girls who shoot for you will shoot for Max too as you both shoot filthy crap.

meh. takes too long to load.

To compare Lightspeed content to Max Hardcore content shows a complete lack of understanding of some pretty basic things. Really basic as a matter of fact. And I'm frankly a bit frightened of someone who can't see the difference.

I am a firm believer in free speech and honestly, I don't think that Max Hardcore should be legally prevented from shooting just about anything he wants to shoot using legal age and willing models.

However, we he goes and shoots something like the video posted in the OP here, right thinking people certainly should use THEIR power of free speech to express their distaste for it. Hating the guy, hell, even wanting him out of the industry or preferably DEAD from some freak accident (which would suit me just FINE) doesn't mean that I don't A) believe in free speech or B) believe in Max Hardcore's free speech.

Ideally, he would legally be legally allowed to make it but no one would agree to distribute/sell/market it for him. That would never happen of course because this industry has no sense of watching out for its own fucking interests most of the time.

I'll believe anything. Come on, let's have the story behind the picture. :upsidedow

I find it funny how the only person defending him is KnightMare, everyone else seems to find this type of content hideous, degrading, and out right disgusting. I'm sure some people are into this type of content, but at the same time aren't people into child porn, and rape? Should we fight for there rights too? I personally think this is why porn hasn't and will never be main stream here as it has in other countries, because of sick fucks like this. :2 cents:

Why would someone who hasn't been abused (at some point?) volunteer for this type pf scene and frankly why do people enjoy watching people suffer? Isn't that taking advantage of someone's situation in the first place? And then being taken advantage of because of the past issues she brings to a shoot, to reinact the behavior she has been exposed to as ok, and deserved?
I'll suppose it's safe to say Max likes the drama and controversy because it fuels what he does. Frankly its disturbing, and if only we as society said that hurting another person is not right, why would pretending to do it be just as ok? We go to jail for hurting animals and even having sex with them, thats out there too. None of it is morally correct, sadly if we turned off the eyes and stop looking or advocating it, perhaps we might see it as wrong rather then "just part of the industry".

Ok i got to 11mins of that and HAD to switch off.

Disgrace !! And we wonder why adult gets a bad rep ?? :disgust

What provoked that was a "garden hose up a girls ass" that had her hospitalized I believe.. I was there when that happened, Florida I believe it was, maybe 2002, 2003?

That's my buddy Bryan looking at the camera, he's outta the porn industry now

Dude I think that was your cigar.. I was smokin one of yours too ;)

I think some people here need to realize people have different tastes. Plenty of guys and girls get off on these sort of fantasies, and the number of women is probably a lot higher than you think. To the rest of the public, porn is porn, and it's not really fair to start picking and choosing which niches you will support and which you will not.

The girls who participate in the extreme videos are generally told beforehand what will happen, and check off a list of things they will do and will not do... I don't know about every producer, but the ones I do know show them an example video of the type of content. They sign the release forms after, they do the video interviews stating they are there of their own free will, and they gladly cash their larger-than-average checks.

How about the other end of the spectrum? A lot of people think solo teen sites with ambiguous age props (teddy bears, lollipops, pigtails, etc) are just as bad, if not worse.

I didn't watch the video, but I am curious to what the people here that are objecting are objecting to?

Is it the act itself (meaning you want rough sex or simulated slapping made illegal?), or is it the dialogue in the video (meaning you want words to be censored and made illegal?)?

The biggest moral issue I have in this thread is Max's stolen content on tnaflix :1orglaugh

What are you guys newbs?
That is Max Hardcore!
And that aint even his worst clip. That was MILD compared to his other stuff.

I completely agree that this type of content should not be produced... but it's not my place to say..

Lookit PissMops.. Girls like Taylor Rain.. lookin completely heart broken at the end of the clip..

Is that ok?

Any porn treating a woman like that is just straight wrong.

congrats on defeating a senior citizen

You raise some valid points.

I will say that personally, I do not like Max's stuff at all. I find it very disturbing. With that said.....

I was telling my girlfriend about a couple of videos I've seen recently where the girls were getting slammed in the ass while the guy was stepping on their head at the same time. I expected my girl to less than excited about the idea but she surprised me and said: "That could be fun." She then went on to say that many of the girls she talks to are into things like that and that even she would like to be forced into a rough situation from time to time.

I know a couple of girls who shot for pissmops.com a few years ago. They each claimed to be paid $500.00 for them to fuck/suck and be pissed on and in their mouths. Again, not my cup of tea so to speak but they seemed OK with what they had done and didn't complain about the shoot at all.

People have argues that Max is not looking out for our industry but only covering his own ass. Although I believe that to be 100% true, the flip side of it is the effect that it HAS had on our industry. It's brought negative publicity, as if we needed more of that, but it's also helped to establish precedent for the legal system that does in fact help ALL of us regardless of his actual intent.

It's very easy for a model to say that she was forced into things once her family and friends find out what she has done. That's even more true when you are dealing with extreme content like this. However, in this specific video, you can see where the girl says she needs to stop and then there is a cut in the footage where Max clearly did stop and then then started again. The whole intro is obviously more or less ad-lib and acting. Anybody who thinks that she is actually describing her childhood is a complete moron.

A few years ago I was hanging out with "California Pimp" (netvideogirls.com) His site concept is based on girls who answer an ad for Bikini models and so forth then he talks them into fucking on camera. He told me he has had to move a few times because of pissed off boyfriends who found out about the site and believed that it was all real. Guys who would simply not believe that their girls would do porn without being tricked into it. I actually shot one his scenes for him so I have first hand knowledge of how the setup went both on and off camera.

Somebody also mentioned that as pornographers we are all viewed in the same light, whether it be Max or Lightspeed.....And they are right. You don't need to compare he two types of content because as far as a non-porn person is concerned, it' all smut and we are smut peddlers.

There are people like Max who push the extreme limits and then there are people who shoot softcore stuff while providing cocaine to their models on and off set. Is one worse than the other?